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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On October 02 2011 20:35 Blizzard_torments_me wrote: Terran is clearly the hardest race to play at pro level and this poll proves how clueless most ppl are. are you a pro? because you cant comprehend how hard something is at the pro level unless you yourself have played at the pro level | ||
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Blizzard_torments_me
Romania199 Posts
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Coopa826
Germany161 Posts
Good Thread but having diamond and masters in 1 poll isnt correct imo,the difference between those 2 leagues is huge I think its as big as for example Bronze Silver. Youre not giving any arguments or statistics. I think diamond and masters arent that diffrent. In diamond people already know all the builds, what to do against this and that and theire mechanics are pretty good too. so whats so diffrent about masters? people just play a little bit faster and little bit better. Bronze player sometimes are people who played that game like 10 times and lost everyone of that or just 6pooling everygame with 0 micro cause they saw it once in husky's channel. Silver league dudes on the other hand know more builds, they show at least a bit micro (stutter step). So imo the diffrence between Bronze/Silver is bigger than DIamond/Master | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
MACRO Everything until Diamond is just Macro. Zerg has the most counter-intuitive macro mechanic. Period. MICRO At Diamond macro tends to even out, and then Terrans who play Bio (90% of Terrans) suddenly get SMASHED by Zerg mass units and overwhelmed by armor upgraded zombiezealots. DECISION MAKING At anything higher... Protoss. Simply because Protoss is the "simplest race" as in there are really very few drastic changes you could make to the Protoss race without instantly becoming SERIOUSLY vulnerable. You're on a knife's edge... and you have to balance on it nigh on perfectly. Sometimes even that isn't enough. | ||
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Ermac
336 Posts
Gold/Platinum - Zerg(slight tendency towards protoss maybe?) Diamond/Master - Definitely Terran Grandmaster/Pro - Hard to say really... It's difficult to differentiate between power, potential, and the actual skill it takes to play certain race successfully. Explanations: Bronze/Silver + Gold/Platinum: In these leagues it feels to me that mastering the basic (macro) mechanics of your respective race is your biggest challenge. Zerg definitely has the most 'stuff to do regularly', and without it they are weak. Diamond/Master: - Protoss has the best death ball relative to the amount of control it takes to use it efficiently. In other words, Protoss is extremly powerful by just a-moving a huge one-control-group army and dropping a few spells here and there. - Zerg needs the least amount of actual build orders, openings or 'strategies' and are very strong just by virtue of their now acquired macro mechanics. Very simple army compositions are very powerful and usually don't require a lot of control.(Ling/Infestor, Infestor/Broodlord, etc.) - Terran on the other hand certainly has its advantages too, but literally every single unit needs to be microed correctly to be efficient. A-Move scenarios are very rare and usually only happen when you've won the game anyway. Furthermore in most supply limit fights against the other two races you have to apply much more control in comparison to have a chance of winning the fight. Moreover I feel like Terran needs the most refined builds/openings to compete in Diamond/Master League. Of course every race has its problems and none of them is easy to play, but Terran is the hardest to play on Diamond/Master imho. Grandmaster/Pro: As I said, it's tough to differentiate between power, potential and skill requirements. Once your control has improved to a certain extent, Terran has a huge potential and becomes very powerful. With perfect army composition and EMPs you can suddenly crush 200/200 protoss armies that would have rolled over you otherwise. Does that make Terran the easiest race to play on pro level? I don't know. However it certainly seems like it's the strongest at the moment, at least in Korea. In terms of 'toughest to be successful with" I think it's pretty obvious that protoss is the hardest race to play at Pro-Level. Note: Of course these explanations are simplified. Matters are always more complicated than a few sentences. Furthermore there's always the current metagame to consider, and we all know how that can change everything all of a sudden. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
A hardcore random player might be able to talk about how difficult each match up is and then might eventually be able to say which civ is overall the hardest to play. But since most of us only play one (maybe 2) I don't think we can comment. I honestly don't think any civ is harder to play than the next. But that's just my opinion. | ||
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
On October 02 2011 20:55 Coopa826 wrote: I think its as big as for example Bronze Silver. Youre not giving any arguments or statistics. I think diamond and masters arent that diffrent. In diamond people already know all the builds, what to do against this and that and theire mechanics are pretty good too. so whats so diffrent about masters? people just play a little bit faster and little bit better. Bronze player sometimes are people who played that game like 10 times and lost everyone of that or just 6pooling everygame with 0 micro cause they saw it once in husky's channel. Silver league dudes on the other hand know more builds, they show at least a bit micro (stutter step). So imo the diffrence between Bronze/Silver is bigger than DIamond/Master No the difference between masters/diamond is actually huge. Masters it top 2% while diamond is top 20%. If someone is one of the stronger masters players he can compete with GM players and even pros. | ||
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Darneck
Sweden1394 Posts
On October 02 2011 20:55 Blizzard_torments_me wrote: I'm high master level, but that doesn't matter at all because if you'd be objective you could see that Terran benefits most from multitasking and is the most micro intensive race. Considering you have to constantly micro your units compared to zerg who just just A moves practically, with the occasional flank, and Protoss, witch has some micro units but still doesn't compare to Terran in the raw time and concentration it takes to micro your units witch always detriments from your macro. What does them benefiting from most multitasking and is (according to you) the most micro intensive race have anything to do with them being the hardest race to play? And it's usually easier for terran to macro while microing when it comes to making units and such, compared to protoss having to actually stop watching the battle to do it. But once again, just because they benefit more from multitasking doesn't make the race harder, just more complete. | ||
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Makrel
Denmark150 Posts
On October 02 2011 20:21 blackbrrd wrote: I have got a friend in Diamond who is playing Protoss. He has some experience as Z and T, but 80% av his games has been played as a Protoss. He recently tried playing Zerg and Terran and had no problems holding his diamond ranking, he mostly lost in mirror matches. I'm a diamond protoss aswell, with very little experience as Z and T. Tried playing a few games as zerg and terran for fun recently, and I actually had an easier time winning with those races except in mirror matches. But I guess it's the other way around for someone else. I think the different races just suits different people. | ||
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
Bronze/Silver : Zerg Gold/Platinum : Zerg Diamond/Low Masters : They're all about the same High Masters/GM/Pro : Protoss I don't really agree with Terran being the most micro intensive race either. Stutter step micro is probably one of the easiest thing in the game to perform. EMP is an instant damage spell etc... The Protoss probably have the most micro at the higher levels. Getting off good storms, making sure your forcefields are good, organising your army, making sure it's not clumped against EMP/fungal. Controlling your important units carefully etc... | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On October 02 2011 21:27 TheHova wrote: Well i can play all 3 at a masters level, with Zerg being my best and i'd say Bronze/Silver : Zerg Gold/Platinum : Zerg Diamond/Low Masters : They're all about the same High Masters/GM/Pro : Protoss I don't really agree with Terran being the most micro intensive race either. Stutter step micro is probably one of the easiest thing in the game to perform. EMP is an instant damage spell etc... The Protoss probably have the most micro at the higher levels. Getting off good storms, making sure your forcefields are good, organising your army, making sure it's not clumped against EMP/fungal. Controlling your important units carefully etc... I agree with this. I would even say zerg to some extent at High Masters/GM/Pro. But I think at the absolute top it's hardest for protoss players. | ||
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humbre
353 Posts
pointless poll made just to boost your own ego | ||
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IRONF1ST
United States11 Posts
I think both Zerg and Protoss are the hardest race at their respective skill levels simply because of poor race design. | ||
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Latham
9571 Posts
Gold/Plat - zerg I think. Wierd ass timings from T/P hurt and most gold/plat zergs can't macro to save their lives. Dia - low dia = zerg. top dia = terran Masters - low = terran, top = toss GM = toss since they're so 1 dimensional and easy to predict, | ||
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sandg
Australia123 Posts
zerg: hard to learn, hard to master terran: easy to learn, hardest to master protoss: easy to learn, easy to master | ||
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Applesqt
United States206 Posts
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
I'd say  is the easiest, dont know which one of  and  that is the hardest though | ||
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ChemBroTron
Germany194 Posts
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HystericaLaughter
Australia720 Posts
On October 02 2011 20:30 A-BomB wrote: Good Thread but having diamond and masters in 1 poll isnt correct imo,the difference between those 2 leagues is huge In a perfect world I didn't really want to have any leagues placed together but I didn't want 8 polls because I thought it would be too repetitive. In the end I went for tiers of skill rather than actually league rankings, and remember masters is only the top 2 percent of diamond, on a linear skill scale they are quite close. Hi. I have a question regarding this thread especially since many including mods like iamke55 seem to already agree to the poll results. How are the results valid in any way, especially since anyone and everyone can vote on each level? And what are the objective measures that makes a certain race the hardest to play at a certain level? Unless there is some sort of filter to ensure that grandmasters and others indeed vote and chime in on their appropriate level, this thread will only end up as "my race is harder/better than your race". They are in no way valid and should never be used in any kind of data gathering about race tendencies or balance lol. Its purely opinion nice so low level players vote what race is hardest on pro level lol.... pointless poll made just to boost your own ego Bit harsh IMO, I included in the OP that I didn't state my race is the hardest, I was just interested in what the community had to say. To each his own I suppose | ||
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