• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:40
CEST 12:40
KST 19:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror4[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)73Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4) StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup Back to SC2 after 14 years - Protoss CTRL groups?
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ]
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 546 Catch the Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble
Brood War
General
20-year-old Valorant player starting StarCraft Sagi.gg Launcher Released Fantasy returning? BSL Season 23 Bot on ladder
Tourneys
[ASL22] Semifinal B [ASL22] Semifinal A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck? Artificial Intelligence Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10408 users

Stephano contract situation - Page 61

Forum Index > SC2 General
3152 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 59 60 61 62 63 158 Next
Lack of content, flaming (of the French or anyone) and useless posts will be punished. Please keep it from being too inflammatory and keep discussion on-topic. -semioldguy (p.103)

Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there.
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
September 19 2011 20:51 GMT
#1201
On September 20 2011 05:49 FaRess wrote:
Live report : Llewellys said that coL statement about stephano "contract" being one of the biggest in term of money, is completely wrong, it's not even remotely close to what a guy like HuK has signed


People always say huk made big money which I'm sure he did but no one ever says a specific amount, how can we even compare about vague terms thrown around?

Does anyone even have specific numbers?
Bellygareth
Profile Joined October 2010
France512 Posts
September 19 2011 20:52 GMT
#1202
To make things clear for everyone: even if Stephano had signed a real contract binding under french law, he would still be able to break it fairly easily considering:
- it's customary to have a "trial period" in contracts
- the contract signed by stephano would probably have been a "short term contract" or duration limited contract
- Stephano had not even started to work for Col yet.

Even outside the trial period, the employee can break a "short term contract" or duration limited contract, if he can argue that he has a long term duration contract available (CDI). In that case he can be forced to work a minimum duration for the previous employer (for a maximum of 2 weeks and the actual time would be lower because he didn't work for Col at all).

So Stephano was free to change it under french law in my opinion.
Disclaimer: it's not a lawyer opinion so take it with a grain of salt, but I know how it works. Under french law, Col won't have any chance I would bet.

Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
September 19 2011 20:52 GMT
#1203
Contracts in eSports will never be taken seriously until people start suing. Just look at how little contracts are valued in Counter-Strike.

This is just terrible.
Dead girls don't say no.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
September 19 2011 20:52 GMT
#1204
On September 20 2011 05:43 Sirael wrote:
this whole stepping back after x days from an employment contract in france thing is simply wrong

source (in german, from a law office): http://www.franzoesisches-arbeitsrecht.de/


Thank you, finally a source of some sort. The clause about an employee/employer breaking a contract is only viable if it's included in the contract in the first place. There is no inherent clause that allows for someone to just get out of an otherwise normal contract before the time is up or both parties mutually dissolve the contract.

I had a feeling all of the 'In France, you can break a contract whenever you want for whatever reason you want as long as it's under 30 days' talk was bullshit but I remained open minded in case it was in fact true.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
Mijati
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom44 Posts
September 19 2011 20:52 GMT
#1205
Complexity should have gone out of their way to make sure the contract is air tight and complied with French Law. They've had the contract for 18 days as they've said (although I'm sure there's been numerous revisions over that time), they've had plenty of time to check and make sure everything is legal, the fact that they didn't do this and the whole situation was able to come about seems to lie with them.

That being said Stephano and Mil went about this the whole wrong way, the fact they're ignoring emails to respond to complexity is outrageous and that by the sounds of it have persuaded Stephano to sign a contract with them when he wanted to go elsewhere without giving Complexity the chance to "fix" the contract.

I was delighted when I saw the announcement this morning as Stephano is a great player and getting to see him at things like MLG would have been great, it's just a shame that despite the contract being great for Stephano the whole deal has been messed up due to a few legal loop holes. Complexity really should have made sure of everything prior to this to prevent this from happened, but this whole thing has just been horrific from Stephano and Mil and they should take the blame for the drama, not complexity.
Sleight
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
2471 Posts
September 19 2011 20:52 GMT
#1206
On September 20 2011 05:51 P0ckets wrote:
Even though it may be null in France it isn't in the US, and Complexity can sue then in a US court. Then it gets all crazy because of where it holds validity and if Complexity shows and if Millenium appears or not. Can get super nasty and make life hard for Millennium personal and players in the US, where some major tournaments taker place.


This is truth. Please read this. This is what will happen. Stephano and all of Millenium will NOT be able to go to IPL/NASL/etc...
One Love
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 23:04:01
September 19 2011 20:52 GMT
#1207
mod edit - image removed
+ Show Spoiler +
Just joking, please don't take this too seriously.

Jokes aside, this is very confusing. I think I'll take Chill's advice and wait and see before I post my thoughts.

Edit: I hope they can figure this out without it turning into a giant shitstorm. Good luck to both parties.

User was warned for this post
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
September 19 2011 20:52 GMT
#1208
On September 20 2011 05:51 ArnaudF wrote:
Come on coL you tried to screw Millenium and got screwed back and any law pursuit in France will fail. Get over it and stop saying that this isn't over or that the whole esport scene will be behind you and it'll be felt world-wide.

Deal with it.


Read the thread.
Then give up.
if (post == "stupid") { document.getElementById('post').style.display = 'none'; }
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
September 19 2011 20:53 GMT
#1209
On September 20 2011 05:52 Bellygareth wrote:
To make things clear for everyone: even if Stephano had signed a real contract binding under french law, he would still be able to break it fairly easily considering:
- it's customary to have a "trial period" in contracts
- the contract signed by stephano would probably have been a "short term contract" or duration limited contract
- Stephano had not even started to work for Col yet.

Even outside the trial period, the employee can break a "short term contract" or duration limited contract, if he can argue that he has a long term duration contract available (CDI). In that case he can be forced to work a minimum duration for the previous employer (for a maximum of 2 weeks and the actual time would be lower because he didn't work for Col at all).

So Stephano was free to change it under french law in my opinion.
Disclaimer: it's not a lawyer opinion so take it with a grain of salt, but I know how it works. Under french law, Col won't have any chance I would bet.


So we shouldn't ever bother signing French players onto teams and just let France stew in its own undeveloped scene? Sounds good to me.
Lomak
Profile Joined June 2010
United States311 Posts
September 19 2011 20:53 GMT
#1210
On September 20 2011 05:50 marttorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:48 Lomak wrote:
On September 20 2011 05:46 AzurewinD wrote:
On September 20 2011 05:43 Lomak wrote:
I bet you thought that contract was real...




Oh my god, I know image macros are frowned upon, but that is just too perfect.

Youtube Chuck Testa for anyone who doesn't get it.


Wait, whats that mean?

Forgive me but I'm not too tech savvy, I posted the pic the only way I knew how.


Meme's in general, and image memes (i.e what you'd find on memebase etc) are not really acceptable on TL, but anyway


My bad, I edited it out. Didn't mean any harm just though it was funny , light hearted.
Some see the glass half full, others half empty. I think the glass is just too big.
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
September 19 2011 20:53 GMT
#1211
On September 20 2011 05:49 FaRess wrote:
Live report : Llewellys said that coL statement about stephano "contract" being one of the biggest in term of money, is completely wrong, it's not even remotely close to what a guy like HuK has signed


Funny... It's like those "You think that player's good? MVP is miles better!" arguments.
/commercial
Nexic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States729 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 20:54:26
September 19 2011 20:53 GMT
#1212
On September 20 2011 05:49 FaRess wrote:
Live report : Llewellys said that coL statement about stephano "contract" being one of the biggest in term of money, is completely wrong, it's not even remotely close to what a guy like HuK has signed
That doesn't seem very convincing, huk supposedly makes close to six figures, so obviously everyone else makes much, much less. It's still possible to be one of the 'best paid' though.
ride
Profile Joined September 2011
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 20:53:49
September 19 2011 20:53 GMT
#1213
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 20 2011 05:47 zhurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:46 ride wrote:
The Mill manager said that he couldn't answer to Col right now because he is streaming a showmatch between Lucifron and Hasuobs and cancelling the showmatch wouldn't be fair for these both platers who are not involved in this story.

For the "false contract" it means that in France a contract is very regulated. But Col's contract wasn't ok with some laws. So stephano couldn't "work" with this contract since it is not a legal one.

[quote]doesn't mean it's a "false contract".
unless this manager doesn't know what "false" actually means.

by false contract i mean "not valid" ^^ translation problems!
Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
September 19 2011 20:53 GMT
#1214
On September 20 2011 05:51 ArnaudF wrote:
Come on coL you tried to screw Millenium and got screwed back and any law pursuit in France will fail. Get over it and stop saying that this isn't over or that the whole esport scene will be behind you and it'll be felt world-wide.

Deal with it.


Even if turns out that MIll is legally 'free' from any action by coL, Mill has made themselves look like idiots and Stephano is getting shafted regardless of the outcome (through his own fault to a good degree)
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
September 19 2011 20:53 GMT
#1215
On September 20 2011 05:51 forgottendreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:49 FaRess wrote:
Live report : Llewellys said that coL statement about stephano "contract" being one of the biggest in term of money, is completely wrong, it's not even remotely close to what a guy like HuK has signed


People always say huk made big money which I'm sure he did but no one ever says a specific amount, how can we even compare about vague terms thrown around?

Does anyone even have specific numbers?


People do, but they sure arnt going to share them with us.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
ZestyPickle
Profile Joined July 2011
United States104 Posts
September 19 2011 20:53 GMT
#1216
On September 20 2011 05:51 ArnaudF wrote:
Come on coL you tried to screw Millenium and got screwed back and any law pursuit in France will fail. Get over it and stop saying that this isn't over or that the whole esport scene will be behind you and it'll be felt world-wide.

Deal with it.


Going for a player isnt screwing anyone bud. And regardless of what the French courts say US courts can reach their own conclusion and Mill will have to answer to that if they come to the US
FaRess
Profile Joined September 2010
Tunisia937 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 20:53:58
September 19 2011 20:53 GMT
#1217
On September 20 2011 05:51 forgottendreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:49 FaRess wrote:
Live report : Llewellys said that coL statement about stephano "contract" being one of the biggest in term of money, is completely wrong, it's not even remotely close to what a guy like HuK has signed


People always say huk made big money which I'm sure he did but no one ever says a specific amount, how can we even compare about vague terms thrown around?

Does anyone even have specific numbers?



HuK was millenium and from what I understand Llewellys talks with him from time to time, I'm trying to explain why what he is saying could be true, I'm not saying it's relevant
YoloStar <3
Koorb
Profile Joined March 2011
France266 Posts
September 19 2011 20:53 GMT
#1218
On September 20 2011 05:52 Bellygareth wrote:
To make things clear for everyone: even if Stephano had signed a real contract binding under french law, he would still be able to break it fairly easily considering:
- it's customary to have a "trial period" in contracts


That is true for an employment contract, but coL stated that it wasn't an employment contract, so the trial period may not apply.
Liquipedia
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
September 19 2011 20:53 GMT
#1219
On September 20 2011 05:50 thragar wrote:
What also bugs me is that Millenium isn't looking out for Stephano's best interests. Here is a kid with a chance to travel the world, including the Mecca of StarCraft, hone his skills, and get paid a lot of money to do it, and they talked him out of it? What on earth. That's just terrible to do as a human being.


eh, thats arguable. Mill is claiming theyre well banked and are capable of doing what coL is doing. We'll just have to wait and see how they handle stephanos career from here on out.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
September 19 2011 20:53 GMT
#1220
On September 20 2011 05:52 Bellygareth wrote:
To make things clear for everyone: even if Stephano had signed a real contract binding under french law, he would still be able to break it fairly easily considering:
- it's customary to have a "trial period" in contracts
- the contract signed by stephano would probably have been a "short term contract" or duration limited contract
- Stephano had not even started to work for Col yet.

Even outside the trial period, the employee can break a "short term contract" or duration limited contract, if he can argue that he has a long term duration contract available (CDI). In that case he can be forced to work a minimum duration for the previous employer (for a maximum of 2 weeks and the actual time would be lower because he didn't work for Col at all).

So Stephano was free to change it under french law in my opinion.
Disclaimer: it's not a lawyer opinion so take it with a grain of salt, but I know how it works. Under french law, Col won't have any chance I would bet.



Thats the bits I've collected about the laws there aswell. It still a douche move by Stephano. And it makes the whole sc2 pro scene look like a big laugh.
Dead girls don't say no.
Prev 1 59 60 61 62 63 158 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Afreeca Starleague
19:00
Ro4 Match 2
Soma vs Soulkey
Afreeca ASL 10687
StarCastTV_EN310
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech134
Lowko62
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 11305
Bisu 3090
Jaedong 2784
EffOrt 1050
Horang2 375
ZerO 340
Larva 260
Zeus 230
Pusan 229
actioN 146
[ Show more ]
Mind 127
Hyun 124
Barracks 85
ggaemo 75
Bale 45
Killer 44
scan(afreeca) 43
Sharp 39
NotJumperer 34
ToSsGirL 25
Sacsri 23
Shinee 23
Hm[arnc] 22
Terrorterran 10
Noble 8
ajuk12(nOOB) 6
Dota 2
febbydoto75
League of Legends
JimRising 349
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1702
byalli279
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King85
Other Games
ceh9657
crisheroes213
Sick181
Pyrionflax156
dupreeh104
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 159
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream42
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 12
• killerbeecast8
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV301
• lizZardDota2295
League of Legends
• Jankos1063
Upcoming Events
INu's Battles
20m
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
13h 20m
Patches Events
1d 5h
The PondCast
1d 23h
INu's Battles
2 days
Percival vs TBD
TBD vs herO
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
OSC
3 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
[ Show More ]
Patches Events
5 days
BSL Open Qualifier
5 days
BSL Open Qualifier
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSB
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
HCC Season 3
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.