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On September 20 2011 04:06 gulati wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:56 Emporio wrote:On September 20 2011 03:55 gulati wrote:On September 20 2011 03:50 Fionn wrote:On September 20 2011 03:48 Chill wrote:
I'm glad col is taking a stand. It was starting to look like contracts in SC2 were meaningless. Are you under contract with TeamLiquid? What if an Arabian upstart e-sports community/team wanted you and would buy you in piles of gold? Dude... STOP thinking that Stephano was born without a brain! CONTRACTS have risks and rewards. Stephano did not have a fucking gun held to his head. He acted under his best interests. Let me give you a fucking example: If you sell a card collection of baseball cards, which you bought for $1, and you sell them for $20, you made a 20x profit. You are happy. Congrats. NOW, say fifteen minutes later, an appraiser brings $1,000,000,000 CASH for your cards, and begs you for them back. YOU CANNOT BUY BACK YOUR CARDS. Follow fucking litigation. Stop with this nonsense, PLEASE. Actually, you can buy back your cards. The key word though, is BUY BACK. No, you can not buy back your cards. UNLESS the possessor of the cards is willing to SELL them. In this case, the cards are being held (Stephano) by compLexity (possessor). There is a contract withholding him (locked down by possessor). They are NOT for resale. Unless you can match the offer (pay $1,000,000,000 for him, AKA the amount that Millennium is paying to retain him for 12 months). Other than that, there is no legal rights that Millennium has in this instance, unless some bizarre contractual term was signed by compLexity for this acquisition, and I have full faith that compLexity was not stupid enough to allow a situation like this to occur without having reparations. Sorry man, but there is no if's, and's, or but's about this. Millennium has to pay a fee for purchasing Stephano from compLexity.
Yeah that's what I meant.
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Stop talking about things you have no idea about. On the TL forums literally whoever posts first is in the right, according to you guys.
Maybe complexity is lying. Maybe Millennium is. Maybe Stephano pussied out. How the hell would any of you know?
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So at this point can Complexity make a counter-counter-counter offer?
Since, in France contracts dont mean shit
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On September 20 2011 04:06 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +The techniques used by Complexity to recruit Stephano were quite disorienting to influence our young player towards a bad decision. After a long discussion, Stephano understood his mistake and decided to stay with Millenium for the next 12 months I'd love to hear more about these "techniques"... did they throw him in a big potato sac and beat him with phonebooks to disorient him? Seriously though, I hope this is a lesson to ALL players out there, contracts aren't a joke, please take this shit seriously.
Jedi techniques.
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Right now I'm siding with Complexity. Having seen some respectable moves from them over years of e-sports in various games, and balancing that on the arrogance of Millennium's statement, it just seems incredibly off.
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On September 20 2011 04:05 Hyperiok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 04:00 Talin wrote:
Then we also have this, from like a week ago:
@mbCARMAC
Michal Blicharz
A "pro" gaming team offered a top player a good salary, but wouldn't show him the contract until he committed to join. #thisisesports too... If this does refer to coL and Stephano, then I'm on Stephano and Millennium's side. That's pretty low.
To be perfectly clear, Carmac never said what it referred to so it could be anything. I didn't want to imply it refers to col-Stephano.
What my point was is that it's just an example of how e-sports organizations can get REALLY dodgy and manipulative, it's happened countless times before in various e-sports (SC2 hasn't even seen the worst of it).
It's why when something like this happens, it's a natural reflex for me to distrust the organization rather than the player. And tbh, at this rate it'll take a lot for me to change my mind about that. -_-
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On September 20 2011 03:57 Xeris wrote:
Stephano speaks English
Okay, people were saying earlier that he didn't. If it's true that he actually does, then I would be even more curious to hear an explanation from Stephano about how this could happen.
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i dont believe we have heard the end of this, it could get messy
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On September 20 2011 04:07 Jinsho wrote:
Stop talking about things you have no idea about. On the TL forums literally whoever posts first is in the right, according to you guys.
Maybe complexity is lying. Maybe Millennium is. Maybe Stephano pussied out. How the hell would any of you know?
We are working off of what is posted on their respected websites.
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I dont really understand... can contracts be broken that easily or has millenium to pay col. for it? Or will they fight with the force of lawyers? Im confused like most of us...
Anyway... I'd love to see Stephano stay with M+ but ONLY if he really gets the same chances as in col. because I don't want to see him pwn ladder.... I want to see him start ripping out hearts in tournaments! HELLL YEAH! Go for it Stepha!
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My favorite part of this thread is when people suggested coL could have Stephano arrested for breach of contract.
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On September 20 2011 04:07 Jinsho wrote:
Stop talking about things you have no idea about. On the TL forums literally whoever posts first is in the right, according to you guys.
Maybe complexity is lying. Maybe Millennium is. Maybe Stephano pussied out. How the hell would any of you know?
Calm down. Obviously just speculation. Of course no one knows anything yet -.-
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So everyone supports Col basically poaching Stephano from Mill. So once again another team goes behind the back of the player's home-grown team and tries to poach said player.
If Col had actually negotiated with Mill regarding Stephano, Mill would've had proper time to respond and offer Stephano a new competitive contract. As it is, Col tried it the dirty way and failed.
Personally I'm sick of all the money thrown around to recruit top players from other teams. Build your own goddamn team and actually develop something instead of eye'ing the aces of other teams. Clearly these guys are incompetent coaches and have nothing except money.
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I am pretty sure Millenium is doing something pretty shady here... Lets remember that CoL. was the only team to never disrespect ROOT. I am more than confident that CoL. Negotiated the transfer in a more than professional fashion.
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This whole issue of Stephano not understanding the contract, or being 'disoriented' is pretty absurd. I would be very surprised if he signed anything without consulting a lawyer.
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Oh the drama... Seems like there are shady transfers all over in eSports right now. From all the TSL stuff and SlayerS-ZeNEX in Korea to EG and now coL-Mill in the foreign scene.
Hope this gets resolved ASAP, mostly for Stephanos sake, he's a really awesome player.
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On September 20 2011 04:04 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 04:03 WArped wrote:On September 20 2011 03:58 Jinivus wrote:On September 20 2011 03:56 Vul wrote:
I think part of the problem is that Stephano does not speak English, iirc. It is easy to see how he could be misinformed or confused, given that.
What is clear is that he signed with complexity for some reason and then got cold feet. Who knows why he didn't end up wanting to honor his contract with coL, it could just be guilt/loyalty to a French team.
But I'm not sure if he even knows that this has gone public yet, because I doubt he reads this forum or coL's website (again, probably not reading English websites).
He may be under the impression that it is okay for him to back out of the contract (since Millenium is probably telling him that it is alright and what he should do, etc.). If that's the case, he probably didn't know until after he backed out from signing with complexity that it would be a major shit storm.
Of course I am just conjecturing, but I'm conjecturing under what I think is a valid assumption. I think Millenium is looking out for Millenium and Complexity is looking out for Complexity. And in the middle you have Stephano who probably did not entirely understand the situation, or did not communicate properly with the right parties, probably because he doesn't speak English.
I think Naniwa was just joking about Stephano doing this for the money. But it's clear to me that a move this bad wouldn't be calculated. Bottom line is Stephano fucked up hard, but it really doesn't seem like it was on purpose. But really we just have to wait for more information before anything can be said for certain. Why? I bet he's making more money than he was before. Are you suggesting Stephano thought, "Hey how about I sign a contract with another team to blackmail my way into more money with Millenium"? No. Why not? Happens all the damn time. Well except for the signing part. he goofed up that part.
This. Sport players do this all the time. Work two teams at once and have them bidding on you. Sometimes even have someone "leak" info that one side is offering you more than they actually are to bump the price up.
Except they don't actually sign a contract, change their mind, and allowed to the other team. Usually when this happens a player gets traded or bought out. Since I don't think you're allowed to trade a player (right?), Millenium would have to pony up money to buy out the contract to keep Stephano.
Stephano is at the height of his popularity at the second. He just went through the IPL and beat some top Koreans to get there. He's getting a lot of hype and this was his best chance to cash it in.
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On September 20 2011 03:51 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:51 Noxie wrote:
They did the exact same thing with vVvTitan. Who did what?
They tried to "recruit" and steal Titan the same exact way. And when Titan agreed to stay with vVv they tried to bind him legally.
I do not understand any team that legally keeps a player who does not want to be there.
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Why would he stay? In my opinion, joining coL would be better for him.
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On September 20 2011 03:10 Juanald wrote:
its realy just a clash of culture americans have always been very big on our word and honor, koreans of course are about honor as well so we assume everyone shares the same values
youve got to be kidding, troll much?
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