EPTHasn't hollywood taught you anything? Divided we are weak. Currently I think the Koreans are in the wrong, but I want to hold off on judgement. Drama like this is too sensationalistic. The attention may be a good thing, it provides excitement, but I don't want isolation between Korean and the western world's tournaments.
MVP's Coach on NASL Korean exit - Page 7
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
Hasn't hollywood taught you anything? Divided we are weak. Currently I think the Koreans are in the wrong, but I want to hold off on judgement. Drama like this is too sensationalistic. The attention may be a good thing, it provides excitement, but I don't want isolation between Korean and the western world's tournaments. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
The only thing I think NASL could possibly apologize for would be mentioning sc2con if they weren't involved. That's it. | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:37 ELA wrote: Care to explain what they expect of a shuttle service? Is it not only a question of transport from A to B? Sometimes the shuttle doesn't go quite to B | ||
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koolaid1990
831 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:33 whateverpeeps wrote: 9 fucking weeks? You mean, 9 games? You don't have to play at 4 am, at least in Season 2, as that was changed (wonder how many managers are actually aware of that and took the time to ask that or read up on that). And NASL didn't make Boxer lose. Boxer lost because MC played better. Such is life as a pro-gamer...you're not always guaranteed to win. But actually, in Season 2, every player is guaranteed a $1000 prize if they attend (which they can use for travel), AND a $1000 stipend, which is more than enough compensation. Funny that someone who is negotiating for their entire team doesn't seem to even know what the other side is offering. Wtf When did i ever say NASL made Boxer lose? I said he lost one single elimination bo3, after playing countless group play games and winning them. What im trying to point out here, is its unfair to win all these games, travel across the world, then lose 1 b03 and you just lose. Your Out. They really should change the system, at least make it b05 or do loser's bracket. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:26 whateverpeeps wrote: 1) NASL has explicitally stated that ALL players of season 1 signed a contract saying their deposits would be paid back within 60 days. Clearly, after signing this contract, Koreans wanted their deposits back sooner. That's not how it works. 2) After NASL gave them some money to do it. But more importantly, NASL has stated that they booked flights and shuttles for players who were confused. And I would be more inclined to believe NASL because 1) you can't blatantly lie about that, 2) MVP wasn't even there so how would they know. 3) NASL explicitly said no manager, despite having all of their contact info, has ever expressed any problems to them, and that they had to talk to mediators (like mr.chae, who has stated that he is a mediator, and even he doesn't know who is on the other side). 4) He is allowed to say what he thinks, but people are also allowed to correct him. It is also worrysome because what he thinks seems to be wrong which means he was mislead. 1) So explain to me how that is breaking/violating their contract. 2) Then you need to read everything NASL says more carefully. They booked them for players not paid for. 3) So NASL was contacted by someone who relayed Korean teams' message. 4) That was about you saying "...There was no point in making this public'..." | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
Your cryptic posts are little more than annoying T_T. Can't you just explain the matter or explain nothing? | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
Can you explain? Providing limited detail does not really help, since we are left to speculate. Was it 1 km away? 10 km away? Did it require an additional taxi ride? Was there failure in planning or in execution? Did the shuttle break down? | ||
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jimchoi11
United States65 Posts
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ItsMeDomLee
Canada2732 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:08 Xeris wrote: We provided shuttle pickup and drop off services to all players at the finals. I'm not sure why he is commenting about something he wasn't there to witness T_T For 80 bucks a pop. You footing the bill tough guy? | ||
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:40 Itsmedudeman wrote: That's still THEIR money though. If they decided not to fly over they would still be given the prize money right? It's like buying into a tournament and losing 1000 dollars by just attempting to place higher would be just downright shitty. Also, the koreans asking for all of this would apply to ALL the finalists. The foreigners just don't give a shit because their teams can afford these expenses. Korean teams have a lot more financial responsiblity in managing their team than foreign teams right now and they just can't afford to send all their players everywhere. It WASN'T their money BEFORE the negotiations because they were never PROMISED a minimum $1000 prize. That was ADDED for season 2. "The foreigners just don't give a shit because their teams can afford these expenses. " White-Ra paid for his plane ticket completely out of pocket without a dime from NASL for season 1. | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:42 FabledIntegral wrote: Your cryptic posts are little more than annoying T_T. Can't you just explain the matter or explain nothing? Haha, sorry. 1) There was talk (that was reflected on an article), how Koreans had to pay 80 dollars for the shuttle service when they were picked up. I do not know how accurate this part of the statement is. 2) When they were dropped off, they were dropped off at the domestic section of the airport. The international section was at the other end. You can imagine how they felt. Basically it's little "amateur" mistakes like these that built up that gave Koreans that kind of impression overall. It's small, but there was *a lot* of small things at NASL. | ||
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
then why did the teams sign a "contract" late july? why?????????? i we need to know what was in the contract and why they "broke" it. then we'll know if the koreans did anything wrong. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
Coach Choi Fighting! I agree with his point of view. Anyway the whole NASL tournament format is flawed. | ||
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Soulish
Canada1403 Posts
On August 17 2011 12:59 CeriseCherries wrote: In addition to this, there is a point where it is a mutual relationship: the Koreans seem to make it out to be they are doing a favor to NASL, and not getting much in return. Lest we forget, 40$k is up for grabs, in addition to the whole 100$k prizepool. NASL shouldnt hae to wait hand and foot in return for something the Koreans are benefiting from. Honestly not that much for almost 3 months of play at insane hours even if the Koreans did qualify | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
Some of you seriously have problems with that? That's hardly pampering the players. That is beyond basic for this type of thing. If NASL seriously didn't take care of that stuff in the first place it just shows how amateur they are. As a few others have already pointed out... GOM DOES do this stuff for foreigners. You guys really think in any professional business that they would expect foreigners that come to take care of everything themselves? No. The host takes care of it for them. Either way... thanks for the article OP! | ||
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TDN3
United States81 Posts
Please don't come Milkis. A known forumer's opinion might cause chaos. Let it end there. It's not good for your future image in this forum. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:43 Milkis wrote: Haha, sorry. 1) There was talk (that was reflected on an article), how Koreans had to pay 80 dollars for the shuttle service when they were picked up. I do not know how accurate this part of the statement is. 2) When they were dropped off, they were dropped off at the domestic section of the airport. The international section was at the other end. You can imagine how they felt. Basically it's little "amateur" mistakes like these that built up that gave Koreans that kind of impression overall. It's small, but there was *a lot* of small things at NASL. Xeris noted earlier that the $80 was from the travel stipend. To me $80 per person seems excessive when you note the fact that all the Koreans traveled together (or many did) In regards to #2 I agree that is amateurish and annoying, but I wouldn't consider that a major roadblock. If that is the main concern Choi is referring to I think it is a bit overblown considering how big it seems from the interview. | ||
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berserkboar
114 Posts
 duran fighting! | ||
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:41 NHY wrote: 1) So explain to me how that is breaking/violating their contract. 2) Then you need to read everything NASL says more carefully. They booked them for players not paid for. 3) So NASL was contacted by someone who relayed Korean teams' message. 4) That was about you saying "...There was no point in making this public'..." 1) Are you serious? If you sign a contract saying "I will do ___" and then don't do ____, then you have broken a contract. 2) Proof. That was only claimed by the TIG article was quickly rebuted on almost every point. 3) NASL was contacted by mediators who didn't knwo what was going on and didn't know how to talk to, yes. However, that's so unprofessional that I can't believe you're not grasping it. Do you know how shitty that kind of negotiation method is? Hint: nobody negotiates through a guy who talks to a guy who talks to a guy who talks to the other side. When you negotiate, two representatives who know what's going on and who have power to make decisions get together and talk. 4) No, I'm saying, their basis of lecturing NASL on what to do doesn't apply when they are doing something worse themselves. I"m also saying if they truly cared about improving the situation and making good relationships for the future, they would take NASL's invite to speak to them about the problem, and would have talked to them. | ||
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berserkboar
114 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:43 Milkis wrote: Haha, sorry. 1) There was talk (that was reflected on an article), how Koreans had to pay 80 dollars for the shuttle service when they were picked up. I do not know how accurate this part of the statement is. 2) When they were dropped off, they were dropped off at the domestic section of the airport. The international section was at the other end. You can imagine how they felt. Basically it's little "amateur" mistakes like these that built up that gave Koreans that kind of impression overall. It's small, but there was *a lot* of small things at NASL. please milkis dont fight -.- | ||
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