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On August 17 2011 14:40 Kaneh wrote:from the NASL post Show nested quote +We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal. We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season. straight up "son I'm dissapoint" from NASL. Not a single hard fact in that entire paragraph. The entire post was trying to drum up emotions instead of being factual news. This is the exact kinda stuff that makes NASL appear like a very amateur organization to me and a signifigant number of people.
Wait wait wait... you expect an organization that plans 9+ weeks of content in advance based on a pre-determined player list to not be upset that 15 players are being pulled from their league on Day 2 of production because of demands by the managers made shortly beforehand?
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On August 17 2011 14:40 Kaneh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 14:31 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 17 2011 14:20 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:18 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 17 2011 14:17 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:15 L3gendary wrote:On August 17 2011 14:02 zeehar wrote:On August 17 2011 14:00 emythrel wrote:
Well if the koreans get the 5 star treatment, you would have to give everyone else the same treatment. GSL doesn't even pay for flights for people who want to compete unless its via the MLG partnership, and they expect things to be different for them? Bullshit.
What about the Europeans? Could you imagine them making demands like this? No. Its costs just as much to fly from Europe to compete. ...and that is why they're not choosing to compete this time, in the same way you guys justify the lack of foreigners in GSL by saying "there's not enough financial incentive" to invest in it. grow up. Yes but do foreigners make demands to the gsl about it? No. They dont sign contracts saying they will play and then back out at the last moment either. They simply dont go. does the GSL then make posts all over playXP about how the foreigners wronged them and are being babies like how NASL did on TL? Did NASL do that? Quote please. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253750or did you miss then entire community news thing. The whole post is just bashing on the korean/korean teams. EDIT:: to be more precise, the whole thing reads like an angry/raging joe average poster instead of the representative of a league annoucing news All I have to say buddy is that you are reading something into that post that really isn't there. I saw not one phrase of bashing. All I saw was, "This is what happened. We are disappointed." Disappointed is probably the closest you actually get to a negative emotion, and it simply refers to the face that they're not happy with how negotiations turned out. This article does more "bashing" and even it's not actually bashing. from the NASL post Show nested quote +We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal. We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season. straight up "son I'm dissapoint" from NASL. Not a single hard fact in that entire paragraph. The entire post was trying to drum up emotions instead of being factual news. This is the exact kinda stuff that makes NASL appear like a very amateur organization to me and a significant number of people.
Read my entire post, not just the first sentence.
"Disappointed is probably the closest you actually get to a negative emotion, and it simply refers to the face that they're not happy with how negotiations turned out. "
You are reading things that weren't there. When I originally read that post, I didn't at all feel like you. Therefore this bashing cannot be coming from the post itself, otherwise everyone would have felt that way.
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On August 17 2011 14:41 TDN3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 14:21 deerpark87 wrote:
I can't see how NASL will be relevant anymore with IPL doing live event with 100k prize money. ...and for free to the fans with much better production. Remember when NASL first announced that there's some "guy" dropped off 400k for the tournament to support esport as if it was a free 400k prize pool. Now everyone realized they charged this and that not only to the fans but also to the players. I wonder how much money have collected. Obviously, some rich guy (maybe EG) wanted to make big profit off the fans and the players without anyone knowing who's behind NASL.
Yeah because mlg, gsl, hc3 aren't charging anyone...oh wait. Anyway i seriously doubt they've turned a profit in the first season.
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On August 17 2011 14:40 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 14:34 deerpark87 wrote:On August 17 2011 14:22 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:17 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:15 L3gendary wrote:On August 17 2011 14:02 zeehar wrote:On August 17 2011 14:00 emythrel wrote:
Well if the koreans get the 5 star treatment, you would have to give everyone else the same treatment. GSL doesn't even pay for flights for people who want to compete unless its via the MLG partnership, and they expect things to be different for them? Bullshit.
What about the Europeans? Could you imagine them making demands like this? No. Its costs just as much to fly from Europe to compete. ...and that is why they're not choosing to compete this time, in the same way you guys justify the lack of foreigners in GSL by saying "there's not enough financial incentive" to invest in it. grow up. Yes but do foreigners make demands to the gsl about it? No. They dont sign contracts saying they will play and then back out at the last moment either. They simply dont go. does the GSL then make posts all over playXP about how the foreigners wronged them and are being babies like how NASL did on TL? GSL doesn't make posts because the foreigners did nothing wrong. If the koreans simply "chose not to participate" (e.g. boxer), that is totally fine and there will be no posts on TL. In fact, Boxer and NASL are on good terms. Wrong wrong wrong. GOMTV GAVE 5 star treatments to foreigners. Remember the 2011 GSL World Championship? All foreigner airplane tickets+ housing was cover by GOMTV http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship. They were guarantee 2.7k as long as they play and win the preliminaries. Well guess what? Some foreigners didn't bother to show up for the preliminaries and gave walk over to those that did. Fact: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship/PreliminariesGuess what GOMTV did? nothing. They didn't bash them like what NASL. So yes, foreigners do wrong too, just GOMTV have the don't bash them like what NASL do public. Anyways, what GOM does is a moot point (i.e. you may be right/wrong, but the discussion of what they did is not relevant to the current discussions). NASL bashed the koreans because the koreans violated a SIGNED contract enmasse. It wasn't just one korean, it was many. Could the NASL have organised the tournement better? Yes. Could their PR be better? Yes. But it still doesn't change the fact that the koreans pulled out because of MONEY and affected ALOT of people in the process.
If GOM isn't relevant, then don't defend a guy when he brings up GOM.
And this topic is about the korean response to NASL and how it actually isn't about money. That's the supposed 'fact' this interview sheds light on. It's much more about how NASL treated the players and how poorly it was organzied - so poorly that the majority of koreans took offense and withdrew.
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On August 17 2011 14:40 Kaneh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 14:31 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 17 2011 14:20 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:18 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 17 2011 14:17 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:15 L3gendary wrote:On August 17 2011 14:02 zeehar wrote:On August 17 2011 14:00 emythrel wrote:
Well if the koreans get the 5 star treatment, you would have to give everyone else the same treatment. GSL doesn't even pay for flights for people who want to compete unless its via the MLG partnership, and they expect things to be different for them? Bullshit.
What about the Europeans? Could you imagine them making demands like this? No. Its costs just as much to fly from Europe to compete. ...and that is why they're not choosing to compete this time, in the same way you guys justify the lack of foreigners in GSL by saying "there's not enough financial incentive" to invest in it. grow up. Yes but do foreigners make demands to the gsl about it? No. They dont sign contracts saying they will play and then back out at the last moment either. They simply dont go. does the GSL then make posts all over playXP about how the foreigners wronged them and are being babies like how NASL did on TL? Did NASL do that? Quote please. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253750or did you miss then entire community news thing. The whole post is just bashing on the korean/korean teams. EDIT:: to be more precise, the whole thing reads like an angry/raging joe average poster instead of the representative of a league annoucing news All I have to say buddy is that you are reading something into that post that really isn't there. I saw not one phrase of bashing. All I saw was, "This is what happened. We are disappointed." Disappointed is probably the closest you actually get to a negative emotion, and it simply refers to the face that they're not happy with how negotiations turned out. This article does more "bashing" and even it's not actually bashing. from the NASL post Show nested quote +We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal. We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season. straight up "son I'm dissapoint" from NASL. Not a single hard fact in that entire paragraph. The entire post was trying to drum up emotions instead of being factual news. This is the exact kinda stuff that makes NASL appear like a very amateur organization to me and a signifigant number of people.
Please do your research, that is exactly what happened. The koreans played their qualifiers, before the S1 grand finals. Then even after they saw how they were "treated" they still went ahead and signed the contracts for S2. Then after that is when they brought up their concerns to NASL right before S2 was about to start, and then pulled out after 2 days of filming had already happened. That's pretty much the definition of waiting till the final hour.
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Thanks for posting this OP. Interesting read to say the least. More E-Drama!
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On August 17 2011 14:46 Slider954 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 14:40 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:31 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 17 2011 14:20 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:18 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 17 2011 14:17 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:15 L3gendary wrote:On August 17 2011 14:02 zeehar wrote:On August 17 2011 14:00 emythrel wrote:
Well if the koreans get the 5 star treatment, you would have to give everyone else the same treatment. GSL doesn't even pay for flights for people who want to compete unless its via the MLG partnership, and they expect things to be different for them? Bullshit.
What about the Europeans? Could you imagine them making demands like this? No. Its costs just as much to fly from Europe to compete. ...and that is why they're not choosing to compete this time, in the same way you guys justify the lack of foreigners in GSL by saying "there's not enough financial incentive" to invest in it. grow up. Yes but do foreigners make demands to the gsl about it? No. They dont sign contracts saying they will play and then back out at the last moment either. They simply dont go. does the GSL then make posts all over playXP about how the foreigners wronged them and are being babies like how NASL did on TL? Did NASL do that? Quote please. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253750or did you miss then entire community news thing. The whole post is just bashing on the korean/korean teams. EDIT:: to be more precise, the whole thing reads like an angry/raging joe average poster instead of the representative of a league annoucing news All I have to say buddy is that you are reading something into that post that really isn't there. I saw not one phrase of bashing. All I saw was, "This is what happened. We are disappointed." Disappointed is probably the closest you actually get to a negative emotion, and it simply refers to the face that they're not happy with how negotiations turned out. This article does more "bashing" and even it's not actually bashing. from the NASL post We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal. We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season. straight up "son I'm dissapoint" from NASL. Not a single hard fact in that entire paragraph. The entire post was trying to drum up emotions instead of being factual news. This is the exact kinda stuff that makes NASL appear like a very amateur organization to me and a signifigant number of people. Please do your research, that is exactly what happened. The koreans played their qualifiers, before the S1 grand finals. Then even after they saw how they were "treated" they still went ahead and signed the contracts for S2. Then after that is when they brought up their concerns to NASL right before S2 was about to start, and then pulled out after 2 days of filming had already happened. That's pretty much the definition of waiting till the final hour.
i agree. it is what happened. I'm making the point that NASL handled it very, very, very poorly and that the post is inflammatory and not professional.
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On August 17 2011 14:21 deerpark87 wrote:
I can't see how NASL will be relevant anymore with IPL doing live event with 100k prize money.
NASL's random ass stream tonight stole the majority of the viewership from IPL.
Their production quality greatly increased.
The competition between IPL and NASL will improve both and make them both very, very relevant.
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On August 17 2011 14:45 Kaneh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 14:40 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:34 deerpark87 wrote:On August 17 2011 14:22 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:17 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:15 L3gendary wrote:On August 17 2011 14:02 zeehar wrote:On August 17 2011 14:00 emythrel wrote:
Well if the koreans get the 5 star treatment, you would have to give everyone else the same treatment. GSL doesn't even pay for flights for people who want to compete unless its via the MLG partnership, and they expect things to be different for them? Bullshit.
What about the Europeans? Could you imagine them making demands like this? No. Its costs just as much to fly from Europe to compete. ...and that is why they're not choosing to compete this time, in the same way you guys justify the lack of foreigners in GSL by saying "there's not enough financial incentive" to invest in it. grow up. Yes but do foreigners make demands to the gsl about it? No. They dont sign contracts saying they will play and then back out at the last moment either. They simply dont go. does the GSL then make posts all over playXP about how the foreigners wronged them and are being babies like how NASL did on TL? GSL doesn't make posts because the foreigners did nothing wrong. If the koreans simply "chose not to participate" (e.g. boxer), that is totally fine and there will be no posts on TL. In fact, Boxer and NASL are on good terms. Wrong wrong wrong. GOMTV GAVE 5 star treatments to foreigners. Remember the 2011 GSL World Championship? All foreigner airplane tickets+ housing was cover by GOMTV http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship. They were guarantee 2.7k as long as they play and win the preliminaries. Well guess what? Some foreigners didn't bother to show up for the preliminaries and gave walk over to those that did. Fact: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship/PreliminariesGuess what GOMTV did? nothing. They didn't bash them like what NASL. So yes, foreigners do wrong too, just GOMTV have the don't bash them like what NASL do public. Anyways, what GOM does is a moot point (i.e. you may be right/wrong, but the discussion of what they did is not relevant to the current discussions). NASL bashed the koreans because the koreans violated a SIGNED contract enmasse. It wasn't just one korean, it was many. Could the NASL have organised the tournement better? Yes. Could their PR be better? Yes. But it still doesn't change the fact that the koreans pulled out because of MONEY and affected ALOT of people in the process. If GOM isn't relevant, then don't defend a guy when he brings up GOM. And this topic is about the korean response to NASL and how it actually isn't about money. That's the supposed 'fact' this interview sheds light on. It's much more about how NASL treated the players and how poorly it was organzied - so poorly that the majority of koreans took offense and withdrew.
If it wasn't about money, the koreans would've straight up withdrew.
Instead, they went to the negotiating table and demanded airfare + hotel. But since their demands were not met, they pulled out. This showed that money could've swayed them.
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Well there it is. The first mistake MVP is making is attempting to take the NASL seriously after having watched Season 1. Until NASL proves themselves to be a legitimate contender in the events space, teams shouldn't pay much attention.
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On August 17 2011 14:48 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 14:45 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:40 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:34 deerpark87 wrote:On August 17 2011 14:22 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:17 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:15 L3gendary wrote:On August 17 2011 14:02 zeehar wrote:On August 17 2011 14:00 emythrel wrote:
Well if the koreans get the 5 star treatment, you would have to give everyone else the same treatment. GSL doesn't even pay for flights for people who want to compete unless its via the MLG partnership, and they expect things to be different for them? Bullshit.
What about the Europeans? Could you imagine them making demands like this? No. Its costs just as much to fly from Europe to compete. ...and that is why they're not choosing to compete this time, in the same way you guys justify the lack of foreigners in GSL by saying "there's not enough financial incentive" to invest in it. grow up. Yes but do foreigners make demands to the gsl about it? No. They dont sign contracts saying they will play and then back out at the last moment either. They simply dont go. does the GSL then make posts all over playXP about how the foreigners wronged them and are being babies like how NASL did on TL? GSL doesn't make posts because the foreigners did nothing wrong. If the koreans simply "chose not to participate" (e.g. boxer), that is totally fine and there will be no posts on TL. In fact, Boxer and NASL are on good terms. Wrong wrong wrong. GOMTV GAVE 5 star treatments to foreigners. Remember the 2011 GSL World Championship? All foreigner airplane tickets+ housing was cover by GOMTV http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship. They were guarantee 2.7k as long as they play and win the preliminaries. Well guess what? Some foreigners didn't bother to show up for the preliminaries and gave walk over to those that did. Fact: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship/PreliminariesGuess what GOMTV did? nothing. They didn't bash them like what NASL. So yes, foreigners do wrong too, just GOMTV have the don't bash them like what NASL do public. Anyways, what GOM does is a moot point (i.e. you may be right/wrong, but the discussion of what they did is not relevant to the current discussions). NASL bashed the koreans because the koreans violated a SIGNED contract enmasse. It wasn't just one korean, it was many. Could the NASL have organised the tournement better? Yes. Could their PR be better? Yes. But it still doesn't change the fact that the koreans pulled out because of MONEY and affected ALOT of people in the process. If GOM isn't relevant, then don't defend a guy when he brings up GOM. And this topic is about the korean response to NASL and how it actually isn't about money. That's the supposed 'fact' this interview sheds light on. It's much more about how NASL treated the players and how poorly it was organzied - so poorly that the majority of koreans took offense and withdrew. If it wasn't about money, the koreans would've straight up withdrew. Instead, they went to the negotiating table and demanded airfare + hotel. But since their demands were not met, they pulled out. This showed that money could've swayed them.
and they got airfare and hotel paid for as the post by NASL revealed. but still withdrew, so it seems that it really wasn't about airfare and hotel.
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On August 17 2011 14:49 Kaneh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 14:48 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:45 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:40 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:34 deerpark87 wrote:On August 17 2011 14:22 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:17 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:15 L3gendary wrote:On August 17 2011 14:02 zeehar wrote:On August 17 2011 14:00 emythrel wrote:
Well if the koreans get the 5 star treatment, you would have to give everyone else the same treatment. GSL doesn't even pay for flights for people who want to compete unless its via the MLG partnership, and they expect things to be different for them? Bullshit.
What about the Europeans? Could you imagine them making demands like this? No. Its costs just as much to fly from Europe to compete. ...and that is why they're not choosing to compete this time, in the same way you guys justify the lack of foreigners in GSL by saying "there's not enough financial incentive" to invest in it. grow up. Yes but do foreigners make demands to the gsl about it? No. They dont sign contracts saying they will play and then back out at the last moment either. They simply dont go. does the GSL then make posts all over playXP about how the foreigners wronged them and are being babies like how NASL did on TL? GSL doesn't make posts because the foreigners did nothing wrong. If the koreans simply "chose not to participate" (e.g. boxer), that is totally fine and there will be no posts on TL. In fact, Boxer and NASL are on good terms. Wrong wrong wrong. GOMTV GAVE 5 star treatments to foreigners. Remember the 2011 GSL World Championship? All foreigner airplane tickets+ housing was cover by GOMTV http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship. They were guarantee 2.7k as long as they play and win the preliminaries. Well guess what? Some foreigners didn't bother to show up for the preliminaries and gave walk over to those that did. Fact: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship/PreliminariesGuess what GOMTV did? nothing. They didn't bash them like what NASL. So yes, foreigners do wrong too, just GOMTV have the don't bash them like what NASL do public. Anyways, what GOM does is a moot point (i.e. you may be right/wrong, but the discussion of what they did is not relevant to the current discussions). NASL bashed the koreans because the koreans violated a SIGNED contract enmasse. It wasn't just one korean, it was many. Could the NASL have organised the tournement better? Yes. Could their PR be better? Yes. But it still doesn't change the fact that the koreans pulled out because of MONEY and affected ALOT of people in the process. If GOM isn't relevant, then don't defend a guy when he brings up GOM. And this topic is about the korean response to NASL and how it actually isn't about money. That's the supposed 'fact' this interview sheds light on. It's much more about how NASL treated the players and how poorly it was organzied - so poorly that the majority of koreans took offense and withdrew. If it wasn't about money, the koreans would've straight up withdrew. Instead, they went to the negotiating table and demanded airfare + hotel. But since their demands were not met, they pulled out. This showed that money could've swayed them. and they got airfare and hotel paid for as the post by NASL revealed. but still withdrew, so it seems that it really wasn't about airfare and hotel.
They received $1000 prize money + $1000 travel stipend. The koreans wanted more than that.
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On August 17 2011 14:50 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 14:49 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:48 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:45 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:40 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:34 deerpark87 wrote:On August 17 2011 14:22 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:17 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:15 L3gendary wrote:On August 17 2011 14:02 zeehar wrote:
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...and that is why they're not choosing to compete this time, in the same way you guys justify the lack of foreigners in GSL by saying "there's not enough financial incentive" to invest in it.
grow up. Yes but do foreigners make demands to the gsl about it? No. They dont sign contracts saying they will play and then back out at the last moment either. They simply dont go. does the GSL then make posts all over playXP about how the foreigners wronged them and are being babies like how NASL did on TL? GSL doesn't make posts because the foreigners did nothing wrong. If the koreans simply "chose not to participate" (e.g. boxer), that is totally fine and there will be no posts on TL. In fact, Boxer and NASL are on good terms. Wrong wrong wrong. GOMTV GAVE 5 star treatments to foreigners. Remember the 2011 GSL World Championship? All foreigner airplane tickets+ housing was cover by GOMTV http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship. They were guarantee 2.7k as long as they play and win the preliminaries. Well guess what? Some foreigners didn't bother to show up for the preliminaries and gave walk over to those that did. Fact: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship/PreliminariesGuess what GOMTV did? nothing. They didn't bash them like what NASL. So yes, foreigners do wrong too, just GOMTV have the don't bash them like what NASL do public. Anyways, what GOM does is a moot point (i.e. you may be right/wrong, but the discussion of what they did is not relevant to the current discussions). NASL bashed the koreans because the koreans violated a SIGNED contract enmasse. It wasn't just one korean, it was many. Could the NASL have organised the tournement better? Yes. Could their PR be better? Yes. But it still doesn't change the fact that the koreans pulled out because of MONEY and affected ALOT of people in the process. If GOM isn't relevant, then don't defend a guy when he brings up GOM. And this topic is about the korean response to NASL and how it actually isn't about money. That's the supposed 'fact' this interview sheds light on. It's much more about how NASL treated the players and how poorly it was organzied - so poorly that the majority of koreans took offense and withdrew. If it wasn't about money, the koreans would've straight up withdrew. Instead, they went to the negotiating table and demanded airfare + hotel. But since their demands were not met, they pulled out. This showed that money could've swayed them. and they got airfare and hotel paid for as the post by NASL revealed. but still withdrew, so it seems that it really wasn't about airfare and hotel. They received $1000 prize money + $1000 travel stipend. The koreans wanted more than that.
Are you talking about season 1 or season 2?
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On August 17 2011 14:48 Kaneh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 14:46 Slider954 wrote:On August 17 2011 14:40 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:31 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 17 2011 14:20 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:18 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 17 2011 14:17 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:15 L3gendary wrote:On August 17 2011 14:02 zeehar wrote:On August 17 2011 14:00 emythrel wrote:
Well if the koreans get the 5 star treatment, you would have to give everyone else the same treatment. GSL doesn't even pay for flights for people who want to compete unless its via the MLG partnership, and they expect things to be different for them? Bullshit.
What about the Europeans? Could you imagine them making demands like this? No. Its costs just as much to fly from Europe to compete. ...and that is why they're not choosing to compete this time, in the same way you guys justify the lack of foreigners in GSL by saying "there's not enough financial incentive" to invest in it. grow up. Yes but do foreigners make demands to the gsl about it? No. They dont sign contracts saying they will play and then back out at the last moment either. They simply dont go. does the GSL then make posts all over playXP about how the foreigners wronged them and are being babies like how NASL did on TL? Did NASL do that? Quote please. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253750or did you miss then entire community news thing. The whole post is just bashing on the korean/korean teams. EDIT:: to be more precise, the whole thing reads like an angry/raging joe average poster instead of the representative of a league annoucing news All I have to say buddy is that you are reading something into that post that really isn't there. I saw not one phrase of bashing. All I saw was, "This is what happened. We are disappointed." Disappointed is probably the closest you actually get to a negative emotion, and it simply refers to the face that they're not happy with how negotiations turned out. This article does more "bashing" and even it's not actually bashing. from the NASL post We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal. We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season. straight up "son I'm dissapoint" from NASL. Not a single hard fact in that entire paragraph. The entire post was trying to drum up emotions instead of being factual news. This is the exact kinda stuff that makes NASL appear like a very amateur organization to me and a signifigant number of people. Please do your research, that is exactly what happened. The koreans played their qualifiers, before the S1 grand finals. Then even after they saw how they were "treated" they still went ahead and signed the contracts for S2. Then after that is when they brought up their concerns to NASL right before S2 was about to start, and then pulled out after 2 days of filming had already happened. That's pretty much the definition of waiting till the final hour. i agree. it is what happened. I'm making the point that NASL handled it very, very, very poorly.
And it's considered handling it correctly to sign a contract, then 15 days before filiming proclaim through a 3rd party that you had concerns, and then 2nd day of filming you respond to the offer made 15 days ago?
Do you consider handling it correctly to enter negotiations, albeit late, but instead of talking directly to Xeris or whoever at NASL, instead you tell a guy to tell a guy to tell Mr.Chae to tell NASL what you want? Is that how busiensses negotiate?
If SC2Con is true in saying that this was the individual team's decision, why did not a single team manager contact Xeris/NASL? Idk, if I was a team manager and I was thinking of dropping out, I'd tell NASL? I wouldn't tell a guy to tell a guy to tell a guy, and then when NASL asks, "Wait who made this decision?" hide and not admit to it. Why would you bring up negotiations and then hide?
All NASL did is announce it, which they had to (and they announced it after negotiations ended). It's not like you can exactly go forward without announcing it. All they said was what happened and that they're disappointed about the results of negotiations.
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On August 17 2011 14:49 Kaneh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 14:48 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:45 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:40 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:34 deerpark87 wrote:On August 17 2011 14:22 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:17 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:15 L3gendary wrote:On August 17 2011 14:02 zeehar wrote:On August 17 2011 14:00 emythrel wrote:
Well if the koreans get the 5 star treatment, you would have to give everyone else the same treatment. GSL doesn't even pay for flights for people who want to compete unless its via the MLG partnership, and they expect things to be different for them? Bullshit.
What about the Europeans? Could you imagine them making demands like this? No. Its costs just as much to fly from Europe to compete. ...and that is why they're not choosing to compete this time, in the same way you guys justify the lack of foreigners in GSL by saying "there's not enough financial incentive" to invest in it. grow up. Yes but do foreigners make demands to the gsl about it? No. They dont sign contracts saying they will play and then back out at the last moment either. They simply dont go. does the GSL then make posts all over playXP about how the foreigners wronged them and are being babies like how NASL did on TL? GSL doesn't make posts because the foreigners did nothing wrong. If the koreans simply "chose not to participate" (e.g. boxer), that is totally fine and there will be no posts on TL. In fact, Boxer and NASL are on good terms. Wrong wrong wrong. GOMTV GAVE 5 star treatments to foreigners. Remember the 2011 GSL World Championship? All foreigner airplane tickets+ housing was cover by GOMTV http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship. They were guarantee 2.7k as long as they play and win the preliminaries. Well guess what? Some foreigners didn't bother to show up for the preliminaries and gave walk over to those that did. Fact: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship/PreliminariesGuess what GOMTV did? nothing. They didn't bash them like what NASL. So yes, foreigners do wrong too, just GOMTV have the don't bash them like what NASL do public. Anyways, what GOM does is a moot point (i.e. you may be right/wrong, but the discussion of what they did is not relevant to the current discussions). NASL bashed the koreans because the koreans violated a SIGNED contract enmasse. It wasn't just one korean, it was many. Could the NASL have organised the tournement better? Yes. Could their PR be better? Yes. But it still doesn't change the fact that the koreans pulled out because of MONEY and affected ALOT of people in the process. If GOM isn't relevant, then don't defend a guy when he brings up GOM. And this topic is about the korean response to NASL and how it actually isn't about money. That's the supposed 'fact' this interview sheds light on. It's much more about how NASL treated the players and how poorly it was organzied - so poorly that the majority of koreans took offense and withdrew. If it wasn't about money, the koreans would've straight up withdrew. Instead, they went to the negotiating table and demanded airfare + hotel. But since their demands were not met, they pulled out. This showed that money could've swayed them. and they got airfare and hotel paid for as the post by NASL revealed. but still withdrew, so it seems that it really wasn't about airfare and hotel.
Seriously... NASL booked for airfare, hotel, shuttle paid by players. Lets get some facts straight.
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On August 17 2011 14:50 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 14:49 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:48 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:45 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:40 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:34 deerpark87 wrote:On August 17 2011 14:22 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:17 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:15 L3gendary wrote:On August 17 2011 14:02 zeehar wrote:
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...and that is why they're not choosing to compete this time, in the same way you guys justify the lack of foreigners in GSL by saying "there's not enough financial incentive" to invest in it.
grow up. Yes but do foreigners make demands to the gsl about it? No. They dont sign contracts saying they will play and then back out at the last moment either. They simply dont go. does the GSL then make posts all over playXP about how the foreigners wronged them and are being babies like how NASL did on TL? GSL doesn't make posts because the foreigners did nothing wrong. If the koreans simply "chose not to participate" (e.g. boxer), that is totally fine and there will be no posts on TL. In fact, Boxer and NASL are on good terms. Wrong wrong wrong. GOMTV GAVE 5 star treatments to foreigners. Remember the 2011 GSL World Championship? All foreigner airplane tickets+ housing was cover by GOMTV http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship. They were guarantee 2.7k as long as they play and win the preliminaries. Well guess what? Some foreigners didn't bother to show up for the preliminaries and gave walk over to those that did. Fact: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship/PreliminariesGuess what GOMTV did? nothing. They didn't bash them like what NASL. So yes, foreigners do wrong too, just GOMTV have the don't bash them like what NASL do public. Anyways, what GOM does is a moot point (i.e. you may be right/wrong, but the discussion of what they did is not relevant to the current discussions). NASL bashed the koreans because the koreans violated a SIGNED contract enmasse. It wasn't just one korean, it was many. Could the NASL have organised the tournement better? Yes. Could their PR be better? Yes. But it still doesn't change the fact that the koreans pulled out because of MONEY and affected ALOT of people in the process. If GOM isn't relevant, then don't defend a guy when he brings up GOM. And this topic is about the korean response to NASL and how it actually isn't about money. That's the supposed 'fact' this interview sheds light on. It's much more about how NASL treated the players and how poorly it was organzied - so poorly that the majority of koreans took offense and withdrew. If it wasn't about money, the koreans would've straight up withdrew. Instead, they went to the negotiating table and demanded airfare + hotel. But since their demands were not met, they pulled out. This showed that money could've swayed them. and they got airfare and hotel paid for as the post by NASL revealed. but still withdrew, so it seems that it really wasn't about airfare and hotel. They received $1000 prize money + $1000 travel stipend. The koreans wanted more than that.
They also don't want to wake up and 4am then wait 2-3hrs to play a laggy game cross servers.
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the only korean team who handle this professionaly is SlayerS they back out before the contract they keep communicating with NASL. funny this team is not in SC2con but act more professionaly than SC2con teams. seriously we need slayers_jessica as head of SC2con
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On August 17 2011 14:52 TDN3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 14:50 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:49 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:48 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:45 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:40 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:34 deerpark87 wrote:On August 17 2011 14:22 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:17 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:15 L3gendary wrote:
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Yes but do foreigners make demands to the gsl about it? No. They dont sign contracts saying they will play and then back out at the last moment either.
They simply dont go. does the GSL then make posts all over playXP about how the foreigners wronged them and are being babies like how NASL did on TL? GSL doesn't make posts because the foreigners did nothing wrong. If the koreans simply "chose not to participate" (e.g. boxer), that is totally fine and there will be no posts on TL. In fact, Boxer and NASL are on good terms. Wrong wrong wrong. GOMTV GAVE 5 star treatments to foreigners. Remember the 2011 GSL World Championship? All foreigner airplane tickets+ housing was cover by GOMTV http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship. They were guarantee 2.7k as long as they play and win the preliminaries. Well guess what? Some foreigners didn't bother to show up for the preliminaries and gave walk over to those that did. Fact: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship/PreliminariesGuess what GOMTV did? nothing. They didn't bash them like what NASL. So yes, foreigners do wrong too, just GOMTV have the don't bash them like what NASL do public. Anyways, what GOM does is a moot point (i.e. you may be right/wrong, but the discussion of what they did is not relevant to the current discussions). NASL bashed the koreans because the koreans violated a SIGNED contract enmasse. It wasn't just one korean, it was many. Could the NASL have organised the tournement better? Yes. Could their PR be better? Yes. But it still doesn't change the fact that the koreans pulled out because of MONEY and affected ALOT of people in the process. If GOM isn't relevant, then don't defend a guy when he brings up GOM. And this topic is about the korean response to NASL and how it actually isn't about money. That's the supposed 'fact' this interview sheds light on. It's much more about how NASL treated the players and how poorly it was organzied - so poorly that the majority of koreans took offense and withdrew. If it wasn't about money, the koreans would've straight up withdrew. Instead, they went to the negotiating table and demanded airfare + hotel. But since their demands were not met, they pulled out. This showed that money could've swayed them. and they got airfare and hotel paid for as the post by NASL revealed. but still withdrew, so it seems that it really wasn't about airfare and hotel. They received $1000 prize money + $1000 travel stipend. The koreans wanted more than that. Are you talking about season 1 or season 2?
Season 2
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On August 17 2011 14:53 deerpark87 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 14:50 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:49 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:48 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:45 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:40 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:34 deerpark87 wrote:On August 17 2011 14:22 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:17 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:15 L3gendary wrote:
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Yes but do foreigners make demands to the gsl about it? No. They dont sign contracts saying they will play and then back out at the last moment either.
They simply dont go. does the GSL then make posts all over playXP about how the foreigners wronged them and are being babies like how NASL did on TL? GSL doesn't make posts because the foreigners did nothing wrong. If the koreans simply "chose not to participate" (e.g. boxer), that is totally fine and there will be no posts on TL. In fact, Boxer and NASL are on good terms. Wrong wrong wrong. GOMTV GAVE 5 star treatments to foreigners. Remember the 2011 GSL World Championship? All foreigner airplane tickets+ housing was cover by GOMTV http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship. They were guarantee 2.7k as long as they play and win the preliminaries. Well guess what? Some foreigners didn't bother to show up for the preliminaries and gave walk over to those that did. Fact: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship/PreliminariesGuess what GOMTV did? nothing. They didn't bash them like what NASL. So yes, foreigners do wrong too, just GOMTV have the don't bash them like what NASL do public. Anyways, what GOM does is a moot point (i.e. you may be right/wrong, but the discussion of what they did is not relevant to the current discussions). NASL bashed the koreans because the koreans violated a SIGNED contract enmasse. It wasn't just one korean, it was many. Could the NASL have organised the tournement better? Yes. Could their PR be better? Yes. But it still doesn't change the fact that the koreans pulled out because of MONEY and affected ALOT of people in the process. If GOM isn't relevant, then don't defend a guy when he brings up GOM. And this topic is about the korean response to NASL and how it actually isn't about money. That's the supposed 'fact' this interview sheds light on. It's much more about how NASL treated the players and how poorly it was organzied - so poorly that the majority of koreans took offense and withdrew. If it wasn't about money, the koreans would've straight up withdrew. Instead, they went to the negotiating table and demanded airfare + hotel. But since their demands were not met, they pulled out. This showed that money could've swayed them. and they got airfare and hotel paid for as the post by NASL revealed. but still withdrew, so it seems that it really wasn't about airfare and hotel. They received $1000 prize money + $1000 travel stipend. The koreans wanted more than that. They also don't want to wake up and 4am then wait 2-3hrs to play a laggy game cross servers.
What is your point?
No one is forcing them to participate. The issue is that they agreed to and signed a contract stating that they will.
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On August 17 2011 14:53 deerpark87 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 14:50 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:49 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:48 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:45 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:40 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:34 deerpark87 wrote:On August 17 2011 14:22 Azzur wrote:On August 17 2011 14:17 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:15 L3gendary wrote:
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Yes but do foreigners make demands to the gsl about it? No. They dont sign contracts saying they will play and then back out at the last moment either.
They simply dont go. does the GSL then make posts all over playXP about how the foreigners wronged them and are being babies like how NASL did on TL? GSL doesn't make posts because the foreigners did nothing wrong. If the koreans simply "chose not to participate" (e.g. boxer), that is totally fine and there will be no posts on TL. In fact, Boxer and NASL are on good terms. Wrong wrong wrong. GOMTV GAVE 5 star treatments to foreigners. Remember the 2011 GSL World Championship? All foreigner airplane tickets+ housing was cover by GOMTV http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship. They were guarantee 2.7k as long as they play and win the preliminaries. Well guess what? Some foreigners didn't bother to show up for the preliminaries and gave walk over to those that did. Fact: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_World_Championship/PreliminariesGuess what GOMTV did? nothing. They didn't bash them like what NASL. So yes, foreigners do wrong too, just GOMTV have the don't bash them like what NASL do public. Anyways, what GOM does is a moot point (i.e. you may be right/wrong, but the discussion of what they did is not relevant to the current discussions). NASL bashed the koreans because the koreans violated a SIGNED contract enmasse. It wasn't just one korean, it was many. Could the NASL have organised the tournement better? Yes. Could their PR be better? Yes. But it still doesn't change the fact that the koreans pulled out because of MONEY and affected ALOT of people in the process. If GOM isn't relevant, then don't defend a guy when he brings up GOM. And this topic is about the korean response to NASL and how it actually isn't about money. That's the supposed 'fact' this interview sheds light on. It's much more about how NASL treated the players and how poorly it was organzied - so poorly that the majority of koreans took offense and withdrew. If it wasn't about money, the koreans would've straight up withdrew. Instead, they went to the negotiating table and demanded airfare + hotel. But since their demands were not met, they pulled out. This showed that money could've swayed them. and they got airfare and hotel paid for as the post by NASL revealed. but still withdrew, so it seems that it really wasn't about airfare and hotel. They received $1000 prize money + $1000 travel stipend. The koreans wanted more than that. They also don't want to wake up and 4am then wait 2-3hrs to play a laggy game cross servers.
Both of those issues were resolved in season 2. Are Koreans even aware of that, or did they just rush to a boycott without actually looking at the details because they refused to negotiate with NASL directly?
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