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On April 04 2012 06:14 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 06:03 EienShinwa wrote:
I will also try to do this. Most of the time I just leave, or get so frustrated I type the word "lol fuck" or any variation. Will try my hardest to do so. Only gripe would be that I have to actually adapt this mindset so I say it AND feel it instead of saying it and feeling like I want to kill my opponent. Will work on that too. LOL at "lol fuck" ^^ Every single game I say GG... I said GG every single game in BW as well ;p, and every game in LoL... I think that for me saying GG is too engraved into me, one time I was going into a custom game against the AI to test something and at the start of the game I said GL HF... ;p The only time I go super manner is when I play someone in which the game is really close and so it will help me because it means that I can play them again, it also lets me practice my off races as I like to off race but I hate doing it on ladder ;p
Holy shit you are like Mother Teresa of SCII. In Brood War I always GGed, simply for the fact that I could easily understand my losses and see that they won in a perfectly fair and balanced way. In SCII it will sometimes annoy and frustrate the hell out of me to lose a game where I felt like I played very well (until the point where I got roflstomped) and not understand what I did wrong even when I watch the replay, besides the "I shouldn't have engaged here." But that is neither here nor there. Love that attitude you have. I wish more people have it, then maybe I'll enjoy ladder more. Will try to gl hf every game starting and gg at the end of every game!
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On April 04 2012 06:48 NinjaTrout wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 06:35 NinjaMagic wrote:On April 04 2012 06:13 Berailfor wrote:On April 04 2012 05:57 NinjaMagic wrote:
I only GG when it was a legit good game.. real good battles, close game.. I dont consider 20 min sitting in your base then moving out to get roflstomped to be a good game, neither do i think cheeses are. in short when i find my play failing to match my opponent it wasnt really a game, it was a massacre.
I do always say Gl / glhf tho GG is no more an actual tell of a "good game" then lol is a tell that the person is physically laughing out loud. GG is about respect. Respect for yourself that you aren't going to get all flustered when you lose in a way you didn't like, and respect for your opponent that no matter what he did, he beat you fair and square. If GG was actually only said during a "good game" then many pros wouldn't GG all the time. Because many times they lose to allins. I'm not saying your method is a terrible method. But I am saying not GGing your opponent (to me) is a slap in the face to your opponent and it's upsetting when your the winner in the "massacre" scenario you described and the other person doesn't acknowledge that and just leaves without GGing. And you'll find yourself getting less frustrated too when you can GG any scenario (even a 6pooler) and leave. At least for me it gives me a very nice sense of self-respect to be able to maintain calm and GG just as I always would. Dont get me wrong, when I lose like that I shrug it off and que up another game. And yes I understand some people like to use it for "respecting your opponent". I do respect my opponent, I just dont feel its neccesary for me to write stuff I dont mean, which is how I roll in life generally. Sometimes when I leave without gging they msg me afterwards wondering why no gg, and I tell them my view on the whole GG thing. 50% of the time, every time, they agree and say they dont really mean it, its just a habit of theirs. I agree with you. I only say gg if I feel it was actually a good game. I mean....that's what gg means, good game. I often will not gg if my opponent all-ins me. It's not because I think my opponent did something cheap or abusive. It's because I failed. I lost to something that I shouldn't have. I did not play well, the game wasn't hard fought or fun, I just got rolled. It's not bm, it's just true. It wasn't a gg. I don't see why it has to be bm if someone does not say gg.
Because it is simply what is done, it's like how when you are talking to a teacher you call them Mr. Whatever
Let's say I call my teacher Mr. Davis, this is meant to show respect to him however lets say he is a complete and utter shitbag, in this case I don't proceed to call him Andrew(his first name) same with GG, even if it was a GG or not it is still said.
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gg is not a declarative sentence, an assessment or you or your opponent's skill level, or your judgement whether the game was close. It's an action. Technically it would be an Illocutionary speach act, but I only took one semester of linguistics.
If you grew up playing sports, 'good game' is the american convention. Usually accompanied by a handshake. It doesn't matter if you won 10 goals to 1 because that's not the point. It's roughly equivalent to not shaking your opponents hand at a LAN event -- not a HUGE deal, but deliberately rude.
It's not just a starcraft thing either: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wwworks/3434735884/
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gg + leave - when the game was good,
gratz! + leave - when you lose, the game was bad, but you still want to be mannered
wp + leave - when he played well
never ragequit / leave without words.
simple
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On April 04 2012 07:32 JackDT wrote:gg is not a declarative sentence, an assessment or you or your opponent's skill level, or your judgement whether the game was close. It's an action. Technically it would be an Illocutionary speach act, but I only took one semester of linguistics. If you grew up playing sports, 'good game' is the american convention. Usually accompanied by a handshake. It doesn't matter if you won 10 goals to 1 because that's not the point. It's roughly equivalent to not shaking your opponents hand at a LAN event -- not a HUGE deal, but deliberately rude. It's not just a starcraft thing either: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wwworks/3434735884/
After reading this I decided to google what an Illocutionary speech act was and on wikipedia I found this hilarious, but I don't if this is just my lack of sleep XD
In uttering the locution "Is there any salt?" at the dinner table, one may thereby perform the illocutionary act of requesting salt, as well as the distinct locutionary act of uttering the interrogatory sentence about the presence of salt, and the further perlocutionary act of causing somebody to hand one the salt.
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i love it when people get mad... does this make a bad person lol
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On April 04 2012 07:26 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 06:48 NinjaTrout wrote:On April 04 2012 06:35 NinjaMagic wrote:On April 04 2012 06:13 Berailfor wrote:On April 04 2012 05:57 NinjaMagic wrote:
I only GG when it was a legit good game.. real good battles, close game.. I dont consider 20 min sitting in your base then moving out to get roflstomped to be a good game, neither do i think cheeses are. in short when i find my play failing to match my opponent it wasnt really a game, it was a massacre.
I do always say Gl / glhf tho GG is no more an actual tell of a "good game" then lol is a tell that the person is physically laughing out loud. GG is about respect. Respect for yourself that you aren't going to get all flustered when you lose in a way you didn't like, and respect for your opponent that no matter what he did, he beat you fair and square. If GG was actually only said during a "good game" then many pros wouldn't GG all the time. Because many times they lose to allins. I'm not saying your method is a terrible method. But I am saying not GGing your opponent (to me) is a slap in the face to your opponent and it's upsetting when your the winner in the "massacre" scenario you described and the other person doesn't acknowledge that and just leaves without GGing. And you'll find yourself getting less frustrated too when you can GG any scenario (even a 6pooler) and leave. At least for me it gives me a very nice sense of self-respect to be able to maintain calm and GG just as I always would. Dont get me wrong, when I lose like that I shrug it off and que up another game. And yes I understand some people like to use it for "respecting your opponent". I do respect my opponent, I just dont feel its neccesary for me to write stuff I dont mean, which is how I roll in life generally. Sometimes when I leave without gging they msg me afterwards wondering why no gg, and I tell them my view on the whole GG thing. 50% of the time, every time, they agree and say they dont really mean it, its just a habit of theirs. I agree with you. I only say gg if I feel it was actually a good game. I mean....that's what gg means, good game. I often will not gg if my opponent all-ins me. It's not because I think my opponent did something cheap or abusive. It's because I failed. I lost to something that I shouldn't have. I did not play well, the game wasn't hard fought or fun, I just got rolled. It's not bm, it's just true. It wasn't a gg. I don't see why it has to be bm if someone does not say gg. Because it is simply what is done, it's like how when you are talking to a teacher you call them Mr. Whatever Let's say I call my teacher Mr. Davis, this is meant to show respect to him however lets say he is a complete and utter shitbag, in this case I don't proceed to call him Andrew(his first name) same with GG, even if it was a GG or not it is still said.
I just don't like that logic. I think that if you say something you should mean it IMHO. It kinda of takes away from gg if you say it all the time without meaning it. Not that I think people who do gg after every game are "killing esports." I appreciate people trying to be friendly. Nor do I think that people who don't gg after every game are heros. If you really wanted to say something after every game, I feel like it should be more like "fun playing with you," if you really did have fun, but you only say gg if it was (or at least you thought it was) a good game.
And as far as your teacher analogy goes, I'll be honest. I am guilty of calling a teacher mister as a sign of respect, even if they were an utter shitbag, but I only do that because I would get in trouble if I didn't. Unfortunately there are consequences for not following societal customs (as much as I disagree with them). If Blizzard threatened to ban my account if I didn't gg after every game, I would gg :p
Just my opinion. Take it as you will :D
Edit: I agree with what Apolo said a few posts ago. That makes more sense to me.
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Looking at that pic with the SCVs attacking your hatch, I applaud your extreme patience as that kind of all-in gets a gamequit with no GG at BEST, I don't even want to repeat what I'd say if I were in a bad mood going into that game.
Good for you, man. Excellent precedent you're setting.
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On April 04 2012 07:42 NinjaTrout wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 07:26 NexUmbra wrote:On April 04 2012 06:48 NinjaTrout wrote:On April 04 2012 06:35 NinjaMagic wrote:On April 04 2012 06:13 Berailfor wrote:On April 04 2012 05:57 NinjaMagic wrote:
I only GG when it was a legit good game.. real good battles, close game.. I dont consider 20 min sitting in your base then moving out to get roflstomped to be a good game, neither do i think cheeses are. in short when i find my play failing to match my opponent it wasnt really a game, it was a massacre.
I do always say Gl / glhf tho GG is no more an actual tell of a "good game" then lol is a tell that the person is physically laughing out loud. GG is about respect. Respect for yourself that you aren't going to get all flustered when you lose in a way you didn't like, and respect for your opponent that no matter what he did, he beat you fair and square. If GG was actually only said during a "good game" then many pros wouldn't GG all the time. Because many times they lose to allins. I'm not saying your method is a terrible method. But I am saying not GGing your opponent (to me) is a slap in the face to your opponent and it's upsetting when your the winner in the "massacre" scenario you described and the other person doesn't acknowledge that and just leaves without GGing. And you'll find yourself getting less frustrated too when you can GG any scenario (even a 6pooler) and leave. At least for me it gives me a very nice sense of self-respect to be able to maintain calm and GG just as I always would. Dont get me wrong, when I lose like that I shrug it off and que up another game. And yes I understand some people like to use it for "respecting your opponent". I do respect my opponent, I just dont feel its neccesary for me to write stuff I dont mean, which is how I roll in life generally. Sometimes when I leave without gging they msg me afterwards wondering why no gg, and I tell them my view on the whole GG thing. 50% of the time, every time, they agree and say they dont really mean it, its just a habit of theirs. I agree with you. I only say gg if I feel it was actually a good game. I mean....that's what gg means, good game. I often will not gg if my opponent all-ins me. It's not because I think my opponent did something cheap or abusive. It's because I failed. I lost to something that I shouldn't have. I did not play well, the game wasn't hard fought or fun, I just got rolled. It's not bm, it's just true. It wasn't a gg. I don't see why it has to be bm if someone does not say gg. Because it is simply what is done, it's like how when you are talking to a teacher you call them Mr. Whatever Let's say I call my teacher Mr. Davis, this is meant to show respect to him however lets say he is a complete and utter shitbag, in this case I don't proceed to call him Andrew(his first name) same with GG, even if it was a GG or not it is still said. I just don't like that logic. I think that if you say something you should mean it IMHO. It kinda of takes away from gg if you say it all the time without meaning it. Not that I think people who do gg after every game are "killing esports." I appreciate people trying to be friendly. Nor do I think that people who don't gg after every game are heros. If you really wanted to say something after every game, I feel like it should be more like "fun playing with you," if you really did have fun, but you only say gg if it was (or at least you thought it was) a good game. And as far as your teacher analogy goes, I'll be honest. I am guilty of calling a teacher mister as a sign of respect, even if they were an utter shitbag, but I only do that because I would get in trouble if I didn't. Unfortunately there are consequences for not following societal customs (as much as I disagree with them). If Blizzard threatened to ban my account if I didn't gg after every game, I would gg :p Just my opinion. Take it as you will :D Edit: I agree with what Apolo said a few posts ago. That makes more sense to me.
When I see someone type gg to me I don't think "Wow, he must have thought that was a good game!". I think he's congratulating me on my win and respecting me as a player. It doesn't matter what your personal opinion on when someone should gg and what it means is. The vast majority of people are going to interpret the gg the same way.
If you think someone played exceptionally well or did something impressive. Typing "gg" or "gg wp" will never be enough to convey your feelings. The best way to show someone you liked what they did is to type a short message about it and compliment them. Typing "gg" is just about respecting your opponent and nothing more.
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I always complement them if they did something impressive. Like the other day, this Terran kept using vikings and scans to kill off my obs so he could cloak ghosts and I couldn't really engage. He did it about 4 times, and that's not something you usually see in Diamond. So I told him how sick it was and to keep doing it in the future, since it really hurt.
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I always troll/bash/flame people in laddergames when they show this special kind of sensibility. People who get offended by a little trashtalk should stop playing and start working on building their personality. I think threads like this are hilarious.
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if someone on ladder would compliment me i would instantly assume its sarcastic, thats just how the ladder is nowadays.
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I applauded a guy in a game recently for his reapers hellions drop all-in. never saw it before. seemed right being i was going ling/infestor and roach would be too late
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On April 04 2012 07:22 Zoedgy wrote:
Or just leave the game. This isnt candyland and no one expects it to be.
But Candyland is delicious 
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The Korean server has a lot of good manner. Whenever they try and type hangul to me I say not korean, and they end up talking with me in English; they are almost always extremely nice. Except for one time I said not Korean, and he replied "Fuck your mother". LMAO.
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On April 04 2012 09:21 TheEmulator wrote:
The Korean server has a lot of good manner. Whenever they try and type hangul to me I say not korean, and they end up talking with me in English; they are almost always extremely nice. Except for one time I said not Korean, and he replied "Fuck your mother". LMAO.
They're nice to you because foreigner = free win ;D
kekeke
Anyways, when I get caught off guard by something (hidden banshees / proxy voids / cheese) I usually say "damn, ya got me" or some similar phrase and gg out ^^
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On April 04 2012 09:00 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
I always troll/bash/flame people in laddergames when they show this special kind of sensibility. People who get offended by a little trashtalk should stop playing and start working on building their personality. I think threads like this are hilarious.
Strange, when I read posts like this I think people should start working on their personality. The part which makes them not a cockhead specifically.
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On August 17 2011 11:47 Ungrateful wrote:
The thing is pros no longer play As well mannered so that attitude is trickling down.
Then people need to watch some Sheth and White-Ra 
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i support this effort. Lets not be an Orb. Strive to be a better person!
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The first one seemed a bit sarcastic, but other than that, well done, i really like this idea. I've been saying GG lately, but I'm going to get into the habit of being even nicer, I'm going to say WP and things like GGGGGGG  . I think it really helps with ladder rage and anxiety to make a little joke of it and admit that the guy played well than saying you played like crap, and he played worse, yet, somehow won .
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