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On August 17 2011 04:01 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:58 surprise wrote:
This kinda reminds me of the big soccer teams such as "Bayern München".
They "simply" buy their good players with lots of money, and people don't like them for that. No talent building involved, just a lot of money.
Can't argue with the players that want the money. Can't argue with the club if it works for them. Still leaves a bad taste The difference being in Football, at least the other clubs get good money for their player to invest back into the squad and infrastructure. I doubt Liquid have made a lot if anything at all developing HuK with his contract being so close to running out.
What exactly should Liquid "make"? A player's purpose is to provide his team with as much exposure and as many achievements as possible. I believe HuK did that. It's not his responsibility to turn this into money, that's what you have managers for.
The actual difference is that football contracts have a longer duration than esports contracts.
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Even though all these players are exceptional, without the number of players that a team like oGs has along with all the insight and practice help they give, I think EG will have a hard time getting amazing results out of their players. Hopefully they get a partnership with a Korean Team or maybe FXO, just so that they get a bit more outside help than just a three person team. Hopefully the acquisition of Puma and HuK didn't hurt EG's reputation in Korea too much. I would love to see all the players exceed and have the best opportunity to compete at the high level competing in Korea demands
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I will continue to support HuK. Doesn't mean I will like EG though.
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On August 17 2011 03:56 wiggers000 wrote:
i already didnt like EG (except for incontrol)
first puma now HuK WTF!
HuK was gettin alot better in the oGs House!!!!
FUckin hate IdrA !!!
Fuck EG
This guy's a good example of it. Some people just don't like a team and it doesn't matter what they do.
Their's no sense in trying to justify irrational hatred.
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Admittedly, this makes me very sad as Team Liquid is my favourite team (Them and oGs) and Huk one of my favourite players alongside MC.
I am not a fan of EG, however, I will try to support Huk still -- and Liquid does have a phenomenal Protoss in Hero (Have you checked out his stream? He has such incredible micro!)
But still, I can't help but feel the oGs-TL house is what made Huk the beast he is today and I hope he can keep improving even in a different environment...
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In my opinion, the move was evil ... and genius.
oh snap.
EG fighting! Good luck in Korea.
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I feel sorry for Huk. If I was in his position and getting offered an amount of money only EG (and maybe FXO) could bring to the table vs. staying with the team who've helped you build your career...that's a tough decision.
I'm just glad everyone is able to act adult about it, even if they're upset (and I'm sure quite a few people with TL are upset).
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On August 17 2011 04:01 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:58 surprise wrote:
This kinda reminds me of the big soccer teams such as "Bayern München".
They "simply" buy their good players with lots of money, and people don't like them for that. No talent building involved, just a lot of money.
Can't argue with the players that want the money. Can't argue with the club if it works for them. Still leaves a bad taste The difference being in Football, at least the other clubs get good money for their player to invest back into the squad and infrastructure. I doubt Liquid have made a lot if anything at all developing HuK with his contract being so close to running out.
The other teams don't get any compensation when the contract has expired. That's why teams normally sell players before their contracts expire in football.
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On August 17 2011 03:36 Ludwigvan wrote:
This means:
- Jinro will be the last foreigner in Liquid/oGs house.
- EG teamhouse USA will lose their best player.
- HuK wil prob. have way less training partners.
- Liquid loses the foreigner hope.
- EG challenges FXO in terms of biggest budget team. ^^
Many pros have practice partners on different times. If you read the interviews from the previous GSL seasons you would see this noted in all the thank you's... You guys act like after all the time huk was in the OGS house suddenly he's banned on sight.
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Idra hasn't been as dominant as he was when he trained in korea. Looking forward to seeing Idra in top form again, and with PuMa, Idra and HuK in one house you can be sure that they will all learn and grow from each other very nicely. Pretty Pumped
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On August 17 2011 03:43 Grimsong wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:34 Sergio! wrote:On August 17 2011 03:29 Grimsong wrote:On August 17 2011 03:25 Sergio! wrote:On August 17 2011 03:20 Grimsong wrote:On August 17 2011 03:19 Sergio! wrote:On August 17 2011 03:16 Grimsong wrote:On August 17 2011 03:09 Jibba wrote:On August 17 2011 03:08 Tachion wrote:On August 17 2011 03:06 lizzard_warish wrote:
[quote] Hence Huk was not a free agent...
.......what? HuK's contract with Liquid expired, hence why they were trying to negotiate new terms/salary etc. EG picked up HuK AFTER his contract with liquid expired and he WAS a free agent. Read the post again. EG bought out the remainder of HuK's contract. His free agency should be irrelevant, since it never occurred. EG went through the correct channels and handled this as well as possible. Yes, that is what Alex said. Are you implying they didn't? I'm implying Alex is an old hand at this game, and he always has plausible deniability on his side because everyone keeps things secretive. I'm sure you would get more information if you talked to some of their ex-stars like frod or marn. If something shady was going down, we more likely than not would have heard of it. I'm not sure there's much evidence to support this assumption. This deal was all the buzz at last MLG and even before, yet the public was completely unaware until 2 days ago. Generally things get leaked but lately things haven't. Or, like the hype thread has taught us, social media has changed the way leaks are perceived and there's so much misinformation abound that we simply ignore the truth because there's so many options. Liquid is an exemplary organization, they're not going to take parting shots. The assumptions have absolutely no evidence behind them what so ever.
Yes, and it will probably remain that way.
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On August 17 2011 04:02 Airship wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:58 surprise wrote:
This kinda reminds me of the big soccer teams such as "Bayern München".
They "simply" buy their good players with lots of money, and people don't like them for that. No talent building involved, just a lot of money.
Can't argue with the players that want the money. Can't argue with the club if it works for them. Still leaves a bad taste The thing is, I guarantee you that if Liquid made a huge big money signing like IMMvp, you'd go apeshit with excitement. People are only making these EVIL CORPORATION comparisons because people are quick to vilify EG. It's pretty immature, and nonsense besides. EG are working their way up in the world with a successful business model, it ought to be praised that this can even happen in esports.
No not at all... The only thing more annoying than people vilifying things because it's EG, are the white knights saying everything that isn't pro-EG is because it's them and they're the real victims.
If MVP left IM and his friends just for money when his contract ran out to go to TL. I'm sure there's plenty of people who would feel the same as they do now about HuK and EG. And to think that 'everyone' would be happy with it is nonsense and quite frankly a little insulting.
This has been happening for a long time in lots of E-Sports. Believe it or not, it existed long before SC2 and the reactions have been pretty similar. Just like in real sports too might i add, which everyone tries so hard to compare it to. Gotta take the rough with the smooth. EG knew they'd get this reaction. That's why they've tried so hard to calm the waters.
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People are foolish for thinking it's just gonna be 3 dudes in a house, shut out from the rest of the Korean teams. Give your heads a shake.
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Im a big fan of both EG and Liquid and i am still sad to see Huk go. I remember one of the first big announcements i ever heard in the world of E sports was Huk being signed to liquid. I have come to love Esports sense then and look for more news in a active way but Huk going to liquid was the spark that started the fire.
It will not be the same seeing Huk with a EG tag but i am still happy for him. I know his games will still be amazing and EG is a amazing team that seems to be getting better every week so his play will not suffer. I am sad for Liquid and happy for EG at the same time, but more importantly i am happy for Huk because he is one of the most amazing protoss players out there. If this helps him out financially and personally then i understand and support him 100%
EgHuk fighting! First foreigner code S champ!!!
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Amazed at such shit. I will never support Eg or any of there players.
Hopefully Huk gets knocked down into code b where he belongs and your whole team fails miserably at Mlg.
Eg the team where we throw massive amounts of money at decent players to cover up your shitty terribad ones with 50apm who cant win a game at mlg
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On August 17 2011 04:06 D.Devil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 04:01 TheHova wrote:On August 17 2011 03:58 surprise wrote:
This kinda reminds me of the big soccer teams such as "Bayern München".
They "simply" buy their good players with lots of money, and people don't like them for that. No talent building involved, just a lot of money.
Can't argue with the players that want the money. Can't argue with the club if it works for them. Still leaves a bad taste The difference being in Football, at least the other clubs get good money for their player to invest back into the squad and infrastructure. I doubt Liquid have made a lot if anything at all developing HuK with his contract being so close to running out. What exactly should Liquid "make"? A player's purpose is to provide his team with as much exposure and as many achievements as possible. I believe HuK did that. It's not his responsibility to turn this into money, that's what you have managers for. The actual difference is that football contracts have a longer duration than esports contracts.
Don't generalize "football" as how all pro-sports work. In the NBA and NFL teams lose players at absolutely no gain when their contracts tick, and neither sport generally trades players for monetary considerations. If a player isn't going to sign a new contract with the team, they generally get forced into a position where they have to find a trading partner. If not, they lose their player for nothing. TL was forced into a position where they accepted the only thing they could as Huk was choosing not to sign a contract with TL, traded him for money (EG buying out his contract).
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Lol, it's kind of hard to imagine HuK and IdrA living together, but hey, I like EG. It's awesome that they have an incredibly good player of each race now.
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On August 17 2011 04:11 Swad1000 wrote:
Amazed at such shit. I will never support Eg or any of there players.
Hopefully Huk gets knocked down into code b where he belongs and your whole team fails miserably at Mlg.
Eg the team where we throw massive amounts of money at decent players to cover up your shitty terribad ones with 50apm who cant win a game at mlg
Wow.
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On August 17 2011 04:11 Swad1000 wrote:
Amazed at such shit. I will never support Eg or any of there players.
Hopefully Huk gets knocked down into code b where he belongs and your whole team fails miserably at Mlg.
Eg the team where we throw massive amounts of money at decent players to cover up your shitty terribad ones with 50apm who cant win a game at mlg
Have you joined incontrols fanclub?
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On August 17 2011 04:12 Grimsong wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 04:06 D.Devil wrote:On August 17 2011 04:01 TheHova wrote:On August 17 2011 03:58 surprise wrote:
This kinda reminds me of the big soccer teams such as "Bayern München".
They "simply" buy their good players with lots of money, and people don't like them for that. No talent building involved, just a lot of money.
Can't argue with the players that want the money. Can't argue with the club if it works for them. Still leaves a bad taste The difference being in Football, at least the other clubs get good money for their player to invest back into the squad and infrastructure. I doubt Liquid have made a lot if anything at all developing HuK with his contract being so close to running out. What exactly should Liquid "make"? A player's purpose is to provide his team with as much exposure and as many achievements as possible. I believe HuK did that. It's not his responsibility to turn this into money, that's what you have managers for. The actual difference is that football contracts have a longer duration than esports contracts. Don't generalize "football" as how all pro-sports work. In the NBA and NFL teams lose players at absolutely no gain when their contracts tick, and neither sport generally trades players for monetary considerations. If a player isn't going to sign a new contract with the team, they generally get forced into a position where they have to find a trading partner. If not, they lose their player for nothing. TL was forced into a position where they accepted the only thing they could as Huk was choosing not to sign a contract with TL, traded him for money (EG buying out his contract).
Football (soccer) contracts work the same way basically. The OP was mistaken or overlooking this fact.
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