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On July 21 2012 17:15 DemigodcelpH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 17:12 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 14:49 sieksdekciw wrote:On July 21 2012 14:42 bayside wrote:
Do you guys think that the Zerg Macro Mechanics are broken?
Yes. Any race that could safely reach an economic advantage and maintain it, is broken. Zerg has an eco advantage by default. Even builds like 3 cc or constantly cb probes can't saturate and have high enough income as a normal zerg build. This might be a lower level comment than you see on the battle.net forums... The races aren't all the same, Zerg is an economical race, it's one of their core strengths. That doesnt mean Zerg is broken. He is well aware of Zerg's primary role. However the Zerg end-game composition is stronger than P and T, and Zerg also has the best caster in the game. When you combine this with having the best economy and map control by default you get a mess.
1. No, the game is pretty damn balanced right now statistically. You can't just compare unit for unit and decide that a race is better because you like their spellcasters better.
2. Please change your TL icon to a terran one, if you pay close attention to your profile options, it clearly states "Your icon's race". Nobody will think you look less biased just because you have a zerg icon there mate 
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On July 21 2012 17:56 ErAsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 17:15 DemigodcelpH wrote:On July 21 2012 17:12 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 14:49 sieksdekciw wrote:On July 21 2012 14:42 bayside wrote:
Do you guys think that the Zerg Macro Mechanics are broken?
Yes. Any race that could safely reach an economic advantage and maintain it, is broken. Zerg has an eco advantage by default. Even builds like 3 cc or constantly cb probes can't saturate and have high enough income as a normal zerg build. This might be a lower level comment than you see on the battle.net forums... The races aren't all the same, Zerg is an economical race, it's one of their core strengths. That doesnt mean Zerg is broken. He is well aware of Zerg's primary role. However the Zerg end-game composition is stronger than P and T, and Zerg also has the best caster in the game. When you combine this with having the best economy and map control by default you get a mess. 1. No, the game is pretty damn balanced right now statistically. You can't just compare unit for unit and decide that a race is better because you like their spellcasters better. 2. Please change your TL icon to a terran one, if you pay close attention to your profile options, it clearly states " Your icon's race". Nobody will think you look less biased just because you have a zerg icon there mate
Infestors are the best caster in the game. Well, apart from the mothership I guess.
But you are right, that doesn't say anything about balance. I mean, BCs are the best singlefire unit in the game and yet I don't think anyone would say "Terran is broken because of the BC".
Though as far as I know the game is not balanced statistically. Zerg has an edge over Terran right now.
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On July 21 2012 17:56 ErAsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 17:15 DemigodcelpH wrote:On July 21 2012 17:12 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 14:49 sieksdekciw wrote:On July 21 2012 14:42 bayside wrote:
Do you guys think that the Zerg Macro Mechanics are broken?
Yes. Any race that could safely reach an economic advantage and maintain it, is broken. Zerg has an eco advantage by default. Even builds like 3 cc or constantly cb probes can't saturate and have high enough income as a normal zerg build. This might be a lower level comment than you see on the battle.net forums... The races aren't all the same, Zerg is an economical race, it's one of their core strengths. That doesnt mean Zerg is broken. He is well aware of Zerg's primary role. However the Zerg end-game composition is stronger than P and T, and Zerg also has the best caster in the game. When you combine this with having the best economy and map control by default you get a mess. 1. No, the game is pretty damn balanced right now statistically. You can't just compare unit for unit and decide that a race is better because you like their spellcasters better. 2. Please change your TL icon to a terran one, if you pay close attention to your profile options, it clearly states " Your icon's race". Nobody will think you look less biased just because you have a zerg icon there mate
1. The game is heavily favoring zerg in any matchup
2. Zerg is clearly op, since a majority of people, even Korean pros, state that.
3. Zerg will be nerfed severely, even if you advocate it on TL. Blizzard are not blind, just slow.
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On July 21 2012 18:13 sieksdekciw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 17:56 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 17:15 DemigodcelpH wrote:On July 21 2012 17:12 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 14:49 sieksdekciw wrote:On July 21 2012 14:42 bayside wrote:
Do you guys think that the Zerg Macro Mechanics are broken?
Yes. Any race that could safely reach an economic advantage and maintain it, is broken. Zerg has an eco advantage by default. Even builds like 3 cc or constantly cb probes can't saturate and have high enough income as a normal zerg build. This might be a lower level comment than you see on the battle.net forums... The races aren't all the same, Zerg is an economical race, it's one of their core strengths. That doesnt mean Zerg is broken. He is well aware of Zerg's primary role. However the Zerg end-game composition is stronger than P and T, and Zerg also has the best caster in the game. When you combine this with having the best economy and map control by default you get a mess. 1. No, the game is pretty damn balanced right now statistically. You can't just compare unit for unit and decide that a race is better because you like their spellcasters better. 2. Please change your TL icon to a terran one, if you pay close attention to your profile options, it clearly states " Your icon's race". Nobody will think you look less biased just because you have a zerg icon there mate 1. The game is heavily favoring zerg in any matchup 2. Zerg is clearly op, since a majority of people, even Korean pros, state that. 3. Zerg will be nerfed severely, even if you advocate it on TL. Blizzard are not blind, just slow.
With HoTS around the corner I think they made zerg way OP on purpose. If that's the case then I doubt they plan on nerfing anything for zerg.
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On July 21 2012 18:24 Neurosis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 18:13 sieksdekciw wrote:On July 21 2012 17:56 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 17:15 DemigodcelpH wrote:On July 21 2012 17:12 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 14:49 sieksdekciw wrote:On July 21 2012 14:42 bayside wrote:
Do you guys think that the Zerg Macro Mechanics are broken?
Yes. Any race that could safely reach an economic advantage and maintain it, is broken. Zerg has an eco advantage by default. Even builds like 3 cc or constantly cb probes can't saturate and have high enough income as a normal zerg build. This might be a lower level comment than you see on the battle.net forums... The races aren't all the same, Zerg is an economical race, it's one of their core strengths. That doesnt mean Zerg is broken. He is well aware of Zerg's primary role. However the Zerg end-game composition is stronger than P and T, and Zerg also has the best caster in the game. When you combine this with having the best economy and map control by default you get a mess. 1. No, the game is pretty damn balanced right now statistically. You can't just compare unit for unit and decide that a race is better because you like their spellcasters better. 2. Please change your TL icon to a terran one, if you pay close attention to your profile options, it clearly states " Your icon's race". Nobody will think you look less biased just because you have a zerg icon there mate 1. The game is heavily favoring zerg in any matchup 2. Zerg is clearly op, since a majority of people, even Korean pros, state that. 3. Zerg will be nerfed severely, even if you advocate it on TL. Blizzard are not blind, just slow. With HoTS around the corner I think they made zerg way OP on purpose. If that's the case then I doubt they plan on nerfing anything for zerg.
Guys, man up.
Zerg has a slight (superslight, actually) edge of a couple of percent atm. The metagame is already reforming, Terrans are becoming more lategame focussed and are develloping new styles.
Also, none of you are at a level where your losses depend on your opponents race and not on your own skills.
Less qq more pewpew !
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On July 21 2012 18:13 sieksdekciw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 17:56 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 17:15 DemigodcelpH wrote:On July 21 2012 17:12 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 14:49 sieksdekciw wrote:On July 21 2012 14:42 bayside wrote:
Do you guys think that the Zerg Macro Mechanics are broken?
Yes. Any race that could safely reach an economic advantage and maintain it, is broken. Zerg has an eco advantage by default. Even builds like 3 cc or constantly cb probes can't saturate and have high enough income as a normal zerg build. This might be a lower level comment than you see on the battle.net forums... The races aren't all the same, Zerg is an economical race, it's one of their core strengths. That doesnt mean Zerg is broken. He is well aware of Zerg's primary role. However the Zerg end-game composition is stronger than P and T, and Zerg also has the best caster in the game. When you combine this with having the best economy and map control by default you get a mess. 1. No, the game is pretty damn balanced right now statistically. You can't just compare unit for unit and decide that a race is better because you like their spellcasters better. 2. Please change your TL icon to a terran one, if you pay close attention to your profile options, it clearly states " Your icon's race". Nobody will think you look less biased just because you have a zerg icon there mate 1. The game is heavily favoring zerg in any matchup 2. Zerg is clearly op, since a majority of people, even Korean pros, state that. 3. Zerg will be nerfed severely, even if you advocate it on TL. Blizzard are not blind, just slow.
1. No they aren't.
2. No they aren't, some pros states Zerg is OP, some pros states that Terran/Protoss is OP.
3. No they won't, funny how you think you're some important guy who knows some kind of secret statistics, what all korean pros thinks and what Blizzard's next balance move is going to be like.
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On July 21 2012 18:27 Toastie.NL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 18:24 Neurosis wrote:On July 21 2012 18:13 sieksdekciw wrote:On July 21 2012 17:56 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 17:15 DemigodcelpH wrote:On July 21 2012 17:12 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 14:49 sieksdekciw wrote:On July 21 2012 14:42 bayside wrote:
Do you guys think that the Zerg Macro Mechanics are broken?
Yes. Any race that could safely reach an economic advantage and maintain it, is broken. Zerg has an eco advantage by default. Even builds like 3 cc or constantly cb probes can't saturate and have high enough income as a normal zerg build. This might be a lower level comment than you see on the battle.net forums... The races aren't all the same, Zerg is an economical race, it's one of their core strengths. That doesnt mean Zerg is broken. He is well aware of Zerg's primary role. However the Zerg end-game composition is stronger than P and T, and Zerg also has the best caster in the game. When you combine this with having the best economy and map control by default you get a mess. 1. No, the game is pretty damn balanced right now statistically. You can't just compare unit for unit and decide that a race is better because you like their spellcasters better. 2. Please change your TL icon to a terran one, if you pay close attention to your profile options, it clearly states " Your icon's race". Nobody will think you look less biased just because you have a zerg icon there mate 1. The game is heavily favoring zerg in any matchup 2. Zerg is clearly op, since a majority of people, even Korean pros, state that. 3. Zerg will be nerfed severely, even if you advocate it on TL. Blizzard are not blind, just slow. With HoTS around the corner I think they made zerg way OP on purpose. If that's the case then I doubt they plan on nerfing anything for zerg. Guys, man up. Zerg has a slight (superslight, actually) edge of a couple of percent atm. The metagame is already reforming, Terrans are becoming more lategame focussed and are develloping new styles. Also, none of you are at a level where your losses depend on your opponents race and not on your own skills. Less qq more pewpew !
Don't agree ^_^
The queen buff has to go imo.
Who designs a race around constantly harassing your opponent's workers to keep up and then removes all those options. It's beyond broken.
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On July 21 2012 18:13 sieksdekciw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 17:56 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 17:15 DemigodcelpH wrote:On July 21 2012 17:12 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 14:49 sieksdekciw wrote:On July 21 2012 14:42 bayside wrote:
Do you guys think that the Zerg Macro Mechanics are broken?
Yes. Any race that could safely reach an economic advantage and maintain it, is broken. Zerg has an eco advantage by default. Even builds like 3 cc or constantly cb probes can't saturate and have high enough income as a normal zerg build. This might be a lower level comment than you see on the battle.net forums... The races aren't all the same, Zerg is an economical race, it's one of their core strengths. That doesnt mean Zerg is broken. He is well aware of Zerg's primary role. However the Zerg end-game composition is stronger than P and T, and Zerg also has the best caster in the game. When you combine this with having the best economy and map control by default you get a mess. 1. No, the game is pretty damn balanced right now statistically. You can't just compare unit for unit and decide that a race is better because you like their spellcasters better. 2. Please change your TL icon to a terran one, if you pay close attention to your profile options, it clearly states " Your icon's race". Nobody will think you look less biased just because you have a zerg icon there mate 1. The game is heavily favoring zerg in any matchup 2. Zerg is clearly op, since a majority of people, even Korean pros, state that. 3. Zerg will be nerfed severely, even if you advocate it on TL. Blizzard are not blind, just slow.
1. Yes, the 40% w/l vs Protoss in Korea is really fucking Zerg favored.
2. Many pros have stated that protoss is imba also. Even koreans have said that.
3. Good, lets bring Zerg back to the 30% w/l vs every race, where it belongs. If it isnt 30% vs every race, Zerg is imba.
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I will just stop playing until the expansion since the frustration of TvZ is too much. Blizzard seem to think that everything is fine or they just dont care, either way there probably wont be any patch. The feeling that you need to damage the Zerg all the time to just stay even cause so many mistakes like getting caught unsieged that its no fun at all.
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Is this the 'TL Terran QQ Thread' or the Discussion thread?
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On July 21 2012 18:55 Toastie.NL wrote:
Is this the 'TL Terran QQ Thread' or the Discussion thread?
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http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/2509/tgth.jpg
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Battle net 20% terrans in all leagues but bronze, 40% zergs and 40% tosses.
What is there to discuss?
Nerf queens, so zerg actually has to do something in early to mid game besides making drones and tumors.
Queen has to either have lower dmg, lower range, lower health, or be occupied for the full time for injects and until each tumor is done. Additionally, tumors should have +10 second lay down time. Currently, there are almost no viable options for terran or toss to harrass zerg in early to mid game. And since Blizz are sticking with the idea with the asymmetrical balance, terran HAS to do damage to the zerg in early to mid game.
Nerfing queen builds to the ground is the only solution. Zergs are going to be demoted to their rightful leagues and we are all going to have a better game.
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Firstly, your post doesn't address my post. Actually, it is a prime example of the problem I pointed out in this thread. This already makes you come across as a biased, frustrated Terran player.
Link 1: I haven't heard of said tournament, I only recognize the names of a few players, which I don't see as the best ever. My conclusion; not a prestigious tournament and not representative of the highest level.
Link 2: Most of these tournaments we're soon after the patch, when the Terran Metagame hadn't caught up yet. Thus, this picture is not representative of the highest level nowadays.
Link 3: National tournament, not the biggest names.
I'll give it to you, Zerg is easier at the semi- pro level, but we should care about the pro's, the guys that really practice and are on top of the metagame, not those who slack behind (as given in link 1/3).
None of your 'proofs' are actual evidence of a skewed balance situation that is occuring right at this moment.
Battlenet race distribution is a retarded source to call for balance.
- Europeans and Americans play a lot more defenisive (turtle style) than koreans. Terran is the race that suffers from this because the race can't sit back and macro, because it will lose in the long run.
- Terran has had a ton of nerfs, causing it to devellop new styles all the time. This requires people to relearn their race regularly which is demotivating.
- Terran was the 'OP noob race' and a lot of the players have undoubtedly be BM'ed a lot during beta and 2011. Which might have made them switch (being harassed after every game is not fun)
On July 21 2012 19:08 sieksdekciw wrote:Queen has to either have lower dmg, lower range, lower health, or be occupied for the full time for injects and until each tumor is done. Additionally, tumors should have +10 second lay down time. Currently, there are almost no viable options for terran or toss to harrass zerg in early to mid game. And since Blizz are sticking with the idea with the asymmetrical balance, terran HAS to do damage to the zerg in early to mid game.
Nerfing queen builds to the ground is the only solution. Zergs are going to be demoted to their rightful leagues and we are all going to have a better game. This is just uninformed biased rubbish, not going to comment on it.
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 21 2012 18:52 Zaixer wrote:
I will just stop playing until the expansion since the frustration of TvZ is too much. Blizzard seem to think that everything is fine or they just dont care, either way there probably wont be any patch. The feeling that you need to damage the Zerg all the time to just stay even cause so many mistakes like getting caught unsieged that its no fun at all.
I don´t know what you guys have about TvZ. Sure it´s harder than before but you have still chances aggainst Ultras or Broodlords without microing a whole lot(diamond terran here playing only aggainst masters lately).You just have to make the counter units in time like you do in TvP. For me TvP is still the hardest matchup in lategame because of aoe vs bio and 3-3 chargelots are just a pain in the ass. However i don´t think that any race is OP, because you have still a good chance to win with better skill. Keep in mind you play your little t1 and t2 bio squad aggainst t3 aoe units, so it´s obvious that you need to have better micro in order to win(unless Terran would be OP). If you don´t want that part in the game you can just switch to Protoss or Zerg and get destroyed by Terrans with good micro and multitasking.
To the topic of the Korean pro statements:
Sure they say that race x and race y is OP and that their own race is the weakest at the moment, because they play for money and they want to win more with less efort. Even if they are maybe the only people who are qualified to give those kind of statements, but keep in mind that they are in a different "world" than the avarage player.
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On July 21 2012 18:24 Neurosis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 18:13 sieksdekciw wrote:On July 21 2012 17:56 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 17:15 DemigodcelpH wrote:On July 21 2012 17:12 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 14:49 sieksdekciw wrote:On July 21 2012 14:42 bayside wrote:
Do you guys think that the Zerg Macro Mechanics are broken?
Yes. Any race that could safely reach an economic advantage and maintain it, is broken. Zerg has an eco advantage by default. Even builds like 3 cc or constantly cb probes can't saturate and have high enough income as a normal zerg build. This might be a lower level comment than you see on the battle.net forums... The races aren't all the same, Zerg is an economical race, it's one of their core strengths. That doesnt mean Zerg is broken. He is well aware of Zerg's primary role. However the Zerg end-game composition is stronger than P and T, and Zerg also has the best caster in the game. When you combine this with having the best economy and map control by default you get a mess. 1. No, the game is pretty damn balanced right now statistically. You can't just compare unit for unit and decide that a race is better because you like their spellcasters better. 2. Please change your TL icon to a terran one, if you pay close attention to your profile options, it clearly states " Your icon's race". Nobody will think you look less biased just because you have a zerg icon there mate 1. The game is heavily favoring zerg in any matchup 2. Zerg is clearly op, since a majority of people, even Korean pros, state that. 3. Zerg will be nerfed severely, even if you advocate it on TL. Blizzard are not blind, just slow. With HoTS around the corner I think they made zerg way OP on purpose. If that's the case then I doubt they plan on nerfing anything for zerg.
This is the kind of post that makes me rarely come to check out this thread. Ridiculous how some people's logic work. Far too much whining here for any meaningful debate.
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On July 21 2012 19:17 Toastie.NL wrote:Firstly, your post doesn't address my post. Actually, it is a prime example of the problem I pointed out in this thread. This already makes you come across as a biased, frustrated Terran player. Link 1: I haven't heard of said tournament, I only recognize the names of a few players, which I don't see as the best ever. My conclusion; not a prestigious tournament and not representative of the highest level. Link 2: Most of these tournaments we're soon after the patch, when the Terran Metagame hadn't caught up yet. Thus, this picture is not representative of the highest level nowadays. Link 3: National tournament, not the biggest names. I'll give it to you, Zerg is easier at the semi- pro level, but we should care about the pro's, the guys that really practice and are on top of the metagame, not those who slack behind (as given in link 1/3). None of your 'proofs' are actual evidence of a skewed balance situation that is occuring right at this moment. Battlenet race distribution is a retarded source to call for balance. - Europeans and Americans play a lot more defenisive (turtle style) than koreans. Terran is the race that suffers from this because the race can't sit back and macro, because it will lose in the long run. - Terran has had a ton of nerfs, causing it to devellop new styles all the time. This requires people to relearn their race regularly which is demotivating. - Terran was the 'OP noob race' and a lot of the players have undoubtedly be BM'ed a lot during beta and 2011. Which might have made them switch (being harassed after every game is not fun) Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 19:08 sieksdekciw wrote:Queen has to either have lower dmg, lower range, lower health, or be occupied for the full time for injects and until each tumor is done. Additionally, tumors should have +10 second lay down time. Currently, there are almost no viable options for terran or toss to harrass zerg in early to mid game. And since Blizz are sticking with the idea with the asymmetrical balance, terran HAS to do damage to the zerg in early to mid game.
Nerfing queen builds to the ground is the only solution. Zergs are going to be demoted to their rightful leagues and we are all going to have a better game. This is just uninformed biased rubbish, not going to comment on it.
What you answered basically is:
'Yeah, I am a zerg player and how dare you provide tournament results as proof that the game is imba. Also, these tournament results disagree with what I am feeling as a person and as a zerg player. Also bla bla bla`
The truth is that at the pro level, terrans have twice as good mechanics compared to their zerg counterparts. You can't deny that it is just easier to a move bl lings and place a fungal here and there, than siege up, stim, split, focus fire with siege tanks, split more, split vikings all the time. However, even with their twice (at least) better mechanics, terran players don't win twice as much as zergs. What is more, they lose most of their games. ZvT is the most imbalanced matchup in the history of SC2, as statistics will show you.
So, back to the question of imbalance, I believe the problem is the queen allows zerg to drone safely vs terran without making any other units. That, of course, is unfair, since the queen is also the main macro mechanics, and a means of increasing map awareness, healing. You can't have a unit that heals, helps macro, helps map awareness, and on top of that wins a head to head fight with 2.5 hellions which, by the way, are battle units.
So the queen needs to stop being that swiss army knife in the zerg arsenal. My proposed solution is for the queens to be 'busy' while injecting and creep spreading. That would make reaper openings more viable again, hellion openings less of a waste, and will help the metagame overall. Or we can reduce queen's damage and health.
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Europeans and Americans play a lot more defenisive (turtle style) than koreans. Terran is the race that suffers from this because the race can't sit back and macro, because it will lose in the long run.
You don't see a problem with this? It's retarded just in general that one race has to be constantly harassing while the others don't. But even worse, EVERY terran opener has been either directly nerfed or indirectly nerfed. It's broken, seriously there is no denying it.
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On July 21 2012 19:25 TechNoTrance wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 18:24 Neurosis wrote:On July 21 2012 18:13 sieksdekciw wrote:On July 21 2012 17:56 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 17:15 DemigodcelpH wrote:On July 21 2012 17:12 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 14:49 sieksdekciw wrote:On July 21 2012 14:42 bayside wrote:
Do you guys think that the Zerg Macro Mechanics are broken?
Yes. Any race that could safely reach an economic advantage and maintain it, is broken. Zerg has an eco advantage by default. Even builds like 3 cc or constantly cb probes can't saturate and have high enough income as a normal zerg build. This might be a lower level comment than you see on the battle.net forums... The races aren't all the same, Zerg is an economical race, it's one of their core strengths. That doesnt mean Zerg is broken. He is well aware of Zerg's primary role. However the Zerg end-game composition is stronger than P and T, and Zerg also has the best caster in the game. When you combine this with having the best economy and map control by default you get a mess. 1. No, the game is pretty damn balanced right now statistically. You can't just compare unit for unit and decide that a race is better because you like their spellcasters better. 2. Please change your TL icon to a terran one, if you pay close attention to your profile options, it clearly states " Your icon's race". Nobody will think you look less biased just because you have a zerg icon there mate 1. The game is heavily favoring zerg in any matchup 2. Zerg is clearly op, since a majority of people, even Korean pros, state that. 3. Zerg will be nerfed severely, even if you advocate it on TL. Blizzard are not blind, just slow. With HoTS around the corner I think they made zerg way OP on purpose. If that's the case then I doubt they plan on nerfing anything for zerg. This is the kind of post that makes me rarely come to check out this thread. Ridiculous how some people's logic work. Far too much whining here for any meaningful debate.
Man just came to check if anything meaningful was going on. Whenever zerg was in slight disadvantage these same terrans would come and say everything is ok, use nydus, innovate. Now that zerg has the matchups down and they start having a slight disadvantage they can only come up with nerfs instead of learning how to play...
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On July 21 2012 19:31 TheBlueMeaner wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 19:25 TechNoTrance wrote:On July 21 2012 18:24 Neurosis wrote:On July 21 2012 18:13 sieksdekciw wrote:On July 21 2012 17:56 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 17:15 DemigodcelpH wrote:On July 21 2012 17:12 ErAsc2 wrote:On July 21 2012 14:49 sieksdekciw wrote:On July 21 2012 14:42 bayside wrote:
Do you guys think that the Zerg Macro Mechanics are broken?
Yes. Any race that could safely reach an economic advantage and maintain it, is broken. Zerg has an eco advantage by default. Even builds like 3 cc or constantly cb probes can't saturate and have high enough income as a normal zerg build. This might be a lower level comment than you see on the battle.net forums... The races aren't all the same, Zerg is an economical race, it's one of their core strengths. That doesnt mean Zerg is broken. He is well aware of Zerg's primary role. However the Zerg end-game composition is stronger than P and T, and Zerg also has the best caster in the game. When you combine this with having the best economy and map control by default you get a mess. 1. No, the game is pretty damn balanced right now statistically. You can't just compare unit for unit and decide that a race is better because you like their spellcasters better. 2. Please change your TL icon to a terran one, if you pay close attention to your profile options, it clearly states " Your icon's race". Nobody will think you look less biased just because you have a zerg icon there mate 1. The game is heavily favoring zerg in any matchup 2. Zerg is clearly op, since a majority of people, even Korean pros, state that. 3. Zerg will be nerfed severely, even if you advocate it on TL. Blizzard are not blind, just slow. With HoTS around the corner I think they made zerg way OP on purpose. If that's the case then I doubt they plan on nerfing anything for zerg. This is the kind of post that makes me rarely come to check out this thread. Ridiculous how some people's logic work. Far too much whining here for any meaningful debate. Man just came to check if anything meaningful was going on. Whenever zerg was in slight disadvantage these same terrans would come and say everything is ok, use nydus, innovate. Now that zerg has the matchups down and they start having a slight disadvantage they can only come up with nerfs instead of learning how to play...
Is it really that hard to make roaches and punish a reactor hellion expand? Apparently that is "all in" as roaches aren't drones. All this time zergs have just been bad, it needed to be said. The zergs that win tournaments are zergs that use actual strategies instead of this Idra mentality of massing drones every game. So here we are, years later where every terran build has been nerfed because zergs just play like noobs.
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On July 21 2012 19:37 Neurosis wrote:
All this time zergs have just been bad, it needed to be said.
I stand by it as well. For one year the only prominent player was Nestea. Stale metagame, no innovation and bad mechanics were the characteristics of zerg for very very long.
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On July 21 2012 18:55 Toastie.NL wrote:
Is this the 'TL Terran QQ Thread' or the Discussion thread?
Is this the "Biased Zerg Denial QQ thread" or the Discussion thread? Being a player of all races it's painfully obvious to everyone who is impartial how Zerg biased you are to defend your broken race in some (sadly in vain) attempt to protect your ego.
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