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On January 15 2016 21:47 EatingBomber wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 21:38 MiCroLiFe wrote:On January 15 2016 21:34 EatingBomber wrote:
Don't use the Bomber vs Seed games as an example of imbalance. Bomber refused to scout for all 3 games and played extremely greedily, building a 3rd Command Centre before a third Barracks or even a Factory in game 4.
Incidentally, this also shows why statistics are inherently flawed, as players routinely make such grotesque errors that one cannot tell if they lose due to imbalance or due to sheer stupidity. are you for real? the only viable build vs toss is exactly that build. you must always play deffencive and greedy to have a chance. you must always think that the protoss will use adept + warp prism. If you dont build a quiq 3rd cc, youre behind no matter what, because protoss have 3 bases fully saturated when you just stopped his adept harass. Its impossible to not do damage as toss now. Lol, so the 'only viable build' in TvP is an extremely greedy Level 1 Infantry upgrades + quick 3rd CC BEFORE 3rd Barracks/Factory(game 4)? Jesus. Yes, I know that Adepts/Warp Prism is rubbish, but I am just saying that Bomber made massive errors as well. In addition, you normally expect people to have at least 5 Barracks up before third CC if they suspect an all-in OR they want to play aggressively.
lol l2p
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On January 15 2016 21:34 EatingBomber wrote:
Don't use the Bomber vs Seed games as an example of imbalance. Bomber refused to scout for all 3 games and played extremely greedily, building a 3rd Command Centre before a third Barracks or even a Factory in game 4.
Incidentally, this also shows why statistics are inherently flawed, as players routinely make such grotesque errors that one cannot tell if they lose due to imbalance or due to sheer stupidity.
Oh the irony xd
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TvP is broken with adepts, anyone who denies doesn't understand the stress it causes to always be needed to be prepared for this strat, and the impact it causes in a bo5 and in ladder. Even tasteless could see the problem, a failed harass, could expand, fail attack at front, survive a counter attack and still a-move to the win. The 2 hit scv kill, the shade mobility and warp prism combo make it ridiculous. The adept can even help deny reaper scout, and with the pylon, makes it the hardest race to scout. (even in TvT with ranged units, the reaper is more useful than in TvP)
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On January 15 2016 21:47 EatingBomber wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 21:38 MiCroLiFe wrote:On January 15 2016 21:34 EatingBomber wrote:
Don't use the Bomber vs Seed games as an example of imbalance. Bomber refused to scout for all 3 games and played extremely greedily, building a 3rd Command Centre before a third Barracks or even a Factory in game 4.
Incidentally, this also shows why statistics are inherently flawed, as players routinely make such grotesque errors that one cannot tell if they lose due to imbalance or due to sheer stupidity. are you for real? the only viable build vs toss is exactly that build. you must always play deffencive and greedy to have a chance. you must always think that the protoss will use adept + warp prism. If you dont build a quiq 3rd cc, youre behind no matter what, because protoss have 3 bases fully saturated when you just stopped his adept harass. Its impossible to not do damage as toss now. Lol, so the 'only viable build' in TvP is an extremely greedy Level 1 Infantry upgrades + quick 3rd CC BEFORE 3rd Barracks/Factory(game 4)? Jesus. Yes, I know that Adepts/Warp Prism is rubbish, but I am just saying that Bomber made massive errors as well. In addition, you normally expect people to have at least 5 Barracks up before third CC if they suspect an all-in OR they want to play aggressively.
yes it is. Reaper are dead. is it hard to understand what i wrote?
99% of all protoss wil abuse the warp prism adept harass. and 99% of the time it does damage, no matter how much u prepare for it. i always prepare for it and somehimes i just DIE.
IF i go fast 3 rax, instead of early cc, i can deny some of the scv kill n stuff. but then i cant do anything about 4 pylons and a quiq third. and im miles behind. Its absolutey NOTHING a terran can do early vs protoss. so our only way to be almost equal is to get fast eco and hope protoss screw up the adept micro.
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On January 15 2016 21:54 QzYSc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 21:47 EatingBomber wrote:On January 15 2016 21:38 MiCroLiFe wrote:On January 15 2016 21:34 EatingBomber wrote:
Don't use the Bomber vs Seed games as an example of imbalance. Bomber refused to scout for all 3 games and played extremely greedily, building a 3rd Command Centre before a third Barracks or even a Factory in game 4.
Incidentally, this also shows why statistics are inherently flawed, as players routinely make such grotesque errors that one cannot tell if they lose due to imbalance or due to sheer stupidity. are you for real? the only viable build vs toss is exactly that build. you must always play deffencive and greedy to have a chance. you must always think that the protoss will use adept + warp prism. If you dont build a quiq 3rd cc, youre behind no matter what, because protoss have 3 bases fully saturated when you just stopped his adept harass. Its impossible to not do damage as toss now. Lol, so the 'only viable build' in TvP is an extremely greedy Level 1 Infantry upgrades + quick 3rd CC BEFORE 3rd Barracks/Factory(game 4)? Jesus. Yes, I know that Adepts/Warp Prism is rubbish, but I am just saying that Bomber made massive errors as well. In addition, you normally expect people to have at least 5 Barracks up before third CC if they suspect an all-in OR they want to play aggressively. lol l2p
Okay. Just got Masters on the KR server today, no biggie.
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eatingbomber. yeah i can do that aswell whit adepts 
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On January 15 2016 22:22 MiCroLiFe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 21:47 EatingBomber wrote:On January 15 2016 21:38 MiCroLiFe wrote:On January 15 2016 21:34 EatingBomber wrote:
Don't use the Bomber vs Seed games as an example of imbalance. Bomber refused to scout for all 3 games and played extremely greedily, building a 3rd Command Centre before a third Barracks or even a Factory in game 4.
Incidentally, this also shows why statistics are inherently flawed, as players routinely make such grotesque errors that one cannot tell if they lose due to imbalance or due to sheer stupidity. are you for real? the only viable build vs toss is exactly that build. you must always play deffencive and greedy to have a chance. you must always think that the protoss will use adept + warp prism. If you dont build a quiq 3rd cc, youre behind no matter what, because protoss have 3 bases fully saturated when you just stopped his adept harass. Its impossible to not do damage as toss now. Lol, so the 'only viable build' in TvP is an extremely greedy Level 1 Infantry upgrades + quick 3rd CC BEFORE 3rd Barracks/Factory(game 4)? Jesus. Yes, I know that Adepts/Warp Prism is rubbish, but I am just saying that Bomber made massive errors as well. In addition, you normally expect people to have at least 5 Barracks up before third CC if they suspect an all-in OR they want to play aggressively. yes it is. Reaper are dead. is it hard to understand what i wrote? 99% of all protoss wil abuse the warp prism adept harass. and 99% of the time it does damage, no matter how much u prepare for it. i always prepare for it and somehimes i just DIE. IF i go fast 3 rax, instead of early cc, i can deny some of the scv kill n stuff. but then i cant do anything about 4 pylons and a quiq third. and im miles behind. Its absolutey NOTHING a terran can do early vs protoss. so our only way to be almost equal is to get fast eco and hope protoss screw up the adept micro.
So you believe that hyper-greed against hyper-aggression in the form of 8 Gateways and Twilight+ Robotics is a good way to play TvP? Are you serious?
You say Reaper is dead. But so what? That doesn't even matter; Bomber refused to even scan the main in any point of the game in all 4 games, so of course he is not going to detect the second all-in.
And yes, I KNOW that Adept/Warp Prism is absurd right now; I play Terran, so of course I know. My main point is that Bomber made a lot of mistakes and to use his series as an example of imbalance is equally stupid.
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On January 15 2016 22:33 MiCroLiFe wrote:eatingbomber. yeah i can do that aswell whit adepts
I play Terran. My worst matchup is currently TvP.
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On January 15 2016 22:33 MiCroLiFe wrote:eatingbomber. yeah i can do that aswell whit adepts
Why won't you do it then
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On January 15 2016 22:36 aQuaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 22:33 MiCroLiFe wrote:eatingbomber. yeah i can do that aswell whit adepts Why won't you do it then
because im currently tryin to get GM on eu server.
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On January 15 2016 22:35 EatingBomber wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 22:22 MiCroLiFe wrote:On January 15 2016 21:47 EatingBomber wrote:On January 15 2016 21:38 MiCroLiFe wrote:On January 15 2016 21:34 EatingBomber wrote:
Don't use the Bomber vs Seed games as an example of imbalance. Bomber refused to scout for all 3 games and played extremely greedily, building a 3rd Command Centre before a third Barracks or even a Factory in game 4.
Incidentally, this also shows why statistics are inherently flawed, as players routinely make such grotesque errors that one cannot tell if they lose due to imbalance or due to sheer stupidity. are you for real? the only viable build vs toss is exactly that build. you must always play deffencive and greedy to have a chance. you must always think that the protoss will use adept + warp prism. If you dont build a quiq 3rd cc, youre behind no matter what, because protoss have 3 bases fully saturated when you just stopped his adept harass. Its impossible to not do damage as toss now. Lol, so the 'only viable build' in TvP is an extremely greedy Level 1 Infantry upgrades + quick 3rd CC BEFORE 3rd Barracks/Factory(game 4)? Jesus. Yes, I know that Adepts/Warp Prism is rubbish, but I am just saying that Bomber made massive errors as well. In addition, you normally expect people to have at least 5 Barracks up before third CC if they suspect an all-in OR they want to play aggressively. yes it is. Reaper are dead. is it hard to understand what i wrote? 99% of all protoss wil abuse the warp prism adept harass. and 99% of the time it does damage, no matter how much u prepare for it. i always prepare for it and somehimes i just DIE. IF i go fast 3 rax, instead of early cc, i can deny some of the scv kill n stuff. but then i cant do anything about 4 pylons and a quiq third. and im miles behind. Its absolutey NOTHING a terran can do early vs protoss. so our only way to be almost equal is to get fast eco and hope protoss screw up the adept micro. So you believe that hyper-greed against hyper-aggression in the form of 8 Gateways and Twilight+ Robotics is a good way to play TvP? Are you serious? You say Reaper is dead. But so what? That doesn't even matter; Bomber refused to even scan the main in any point of the game in all 4 games, so of course he is not going to detect the second all-in. And yes, I KNOW that Adept/Warp Prism is absurd right now; I play Terran, so of course I know. My main point is that Bomber made a lot of mistakes and to use his series as an example of imbalance is equally stupid.
tell me WHAT can a terran do then? its nothing. Whats the point on stopping it whit super early mass units when the toss have 3 base saturated whenyou barely have 1?
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On January 15 2016 22:39 MiCroLiFe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 22:35 EatingBomber wrote:On January 15 2016 22:22 MiCroLiFe wrote:On January 15 2016 21:47 EatingBomber wrote:On January 15 2016 21:38 MiCroLiFe wrote:On January 15 2016 21:34 EatingBomber wrote:
Don't use the Bomber vs Seed games as an example of imbalance. Bomber refused to scout for all 3 games and played extremely greedily, building a 3rd Command Centre before a third Barracks or even a Factory in game 4.
Incidentally, this also shows why statistics are inherently flawed, as players routinely make such grotesque errors that one cannot tell if they lose due to imbalance or due to sheer stupidity. are you for real? the only viable build vs toss is exactly that build. you must always play deffencive and greedy to have a chance. you must always think that the protoss will use adept + warp prism. If you dont build a quiq 3rd cc, youre behind no matter what, because protoss have 3 bases fully saturated when you just stopped his adept harass. Its impossible to not do damage as toss now. Lol, so the 'only viable build' in TvP is an extremely greedy Level 1 Infantry upgrades + quick 3rd CC BEFORE 3rd Barracks/Factory(game 4)? Jesus. Yes, I know that Adepts/Warp Prism is rubbish, but I am just saying that Bomber made massive errors as well. In addition, you normally expect people to have at least 5 Barracks up before third CC if they suspect an all-in OR they want to play aggressively. yes it is. Reaper are dead. is it hard to understand what i wrote? 99% of all protoss wil abuse the warp prism adept harass. and 99% of the time it does damage, no matter how much u prepare for it. i always prepare for it and somehimes i just DIE. IF i go fast 3 rax, instead of early cc, i can deny some of the scv kill n stuff. but then i cant do anything about 4 pylons and a quiq third. and im miles behind. Its absolutey NOTHING a terran can do early vs protoss. so our only way to be almost equal is to get fast eco and hope protoss screw up the adept micro. So you believe that hyper-greed against hyper-aggression in the form of 8 Gateways and Twilight+ Robotics is a good way to play TvP? Are you serious? You say Reaper is dead. But so what? That doesn't even matter; Bomber refused to even scan the main in any point of the game in all 4 games, so of course he is not going to detect the second all-in. And yes, I KNOW that Adept/Warp Prism is absurd right now; I play Terran, so of course I know. My main point is that Bomber made a lot of mistakes and to use his series as an example of imbalance is equally stupid. tell me WHAT can a terran do then? its nothing. Whats the point on stopping it whit super early mass units when the toss have 3 base saturated whenyou barely have 1?
Yes, I understand the fundamental absurdity of a situation where Protoss can shield his greed behind a double wall of Pylons and hyper-aggression, but I stand by my main point: Bomber played an extremely vulnerable style and was punished for it.
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On January 15 2016 22:42 EatingBomber wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 22:39 MiCroLiFe wrote:On January 15 2016 22:35 EatingBomber wrote:On January 15 2016 22:22 MiCroLiFe wrote:On January 15 2016 21:47 EatingBomber wrote:On January 15 2016 21:38 MiCroLiFe wrote:On January 15 2016 21:34 EatingBomber wrote:
Don't use the Bomber vs Seed games as an example of imbalance. Bomber refused to scout for all 3 games and played extremely greedily, building a 3rd Command Centre before a third Barracks or even a Factory in game 4.
Incidentally, this also shows why statistics are inherently flawed, as players routinely make such grotesque errors that one cannot tell if they lose due to imbalance or due to sheer stupidity. are you for real? the only viable build vs toss is exactly that build. you must always play deffencive and greedy to have a chance. you must always think that the protoss will use adept + warp prism. If you dont build a quiq 3rd cc, youre behind no matter what, because protoss have 3 bases fully saturated when you just stopped his adept harass. Its impossible to not do damage as toss now. Lol, so the 'only viable build' in TvP is an extremely greedy Level 1 Infantry upgrades + quick 3rd CC BEFORE 3rd Barracks/Factory(game 4)? Jesus. Yes, I know that Adepts/Warp Prism is rubbish, but I am just saying that Bomber made massive errors as well. In addition, you normally expect people to have at least 5 Barracks up before third CC if they suspect an all-in OR they want to play aggressively. yes it is. Reaper are dead. is it hard to understand what i wrote? 99% of all protoss wil abuse the warp prism adept harass. and 99% of the time it does damage, no matter how much u prepare for it. i always prepare for it and somehimes i just DIE. IF i go fast 3 rax, instead of early cc, i can deny some of the scv kill n stuff. but then i cant do anything about 4 pylons and a quiq third. and im miles behind. Its absolutey NOTHING a terran can do early vs protoss. so our only way to be almost equal is to get fast eco and hope protoss screw up the adept micro. So you believe that hyper-greed against hyper-aggression in the form of 8 Gateways and Twilight+ Robotics is a good way to play TvP? Are you serious? You say Reaper is dead. But so what? That doesn't even matter; Bomber refused to even scan the main in any point of the game in all 4 games, so of course he is not going to detect the second all-in. And yes, I KNOW that Adept/Warp Prism is absurd right now; I play Terran, so of course I know. My main point is that Bomber made a lot of mistakes and to use his series as an example of imbalance is equally stupid. tell me WHAT can a terran do then? its nothing. Whats the point on stopping it whit super early mass units when the toss have 3 base saturated whenyou barely have 1? Yes, I understand the fundamental absurdity of a situation where Protoss can shield his greed behind a double wall of Pylons and hyper-aggression, but I stand by my main point: Bomber played an extremely vulnerable style and was punished for it. and as i said. its nothing else he could do.
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On January 15 2016 22:38 MiCroLiFe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 22:36 aQuaSC wrote:On January 15 2016 22:33 MiCroLiFe wrote:eatingbomber. yeah i can do that aswell whit adepts Why won't you do it then because im currently tryin to get GM on eu server.
I have the biggest penis on my block.
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Observation:
Balance
- Adept harass is fucking strong, at least remove the ability to cancel the shade...
Design:
- MMM is the way to go in TvT, get to 3-4 Bases and send MMM suicide Squads left and right, overpowering your opponent, also with Tank drops, there is no defenders advantage...scan.. see undefended postion, Stim/Boost, drop win.
MEH !
-In ZvZ you can get into situations of Roach Ravenger vs Lurker Hydra, wich is fun. But Raveger are a unit, once there in high numbers you can mindlessly spam the ability, vs the opponents need to split and burror lurkers for maximum effect.
Either Ravager cooldown up, or limit it to 5-10 shots per unit (like spidurmines)
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I can't believe blizzard still hasn't addressed that stupid shit when your units run into purification novas.
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On January 15 2016 22:39 MiCroLiFe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 22:35 EatingBomber wrote:On January 15 2016 22:22 MiCroLiFe wrote:On January 15 2016 21:47 EatingBomber wrote:On January 15 2016 21:38 MiCroLiFe wrote:On January 15 2016 21:34 EatingBomber wrote:
Don't use the Bomber vs Seed games as an example of imbalance. Bomber refused to scout for all 3 games and played extremely greedily, building a 3rd Command Centre before a third Barracks or even a Factory in game 4.
Incidentally, this also shows why statistics are inherently flawed, as players routinely make such grotesque errors that one cannot tell if they lose due to imbalance or due to sheer stupidity. are you for real? the only viable build vs toss is exactly that build. you must always play deffencive and greedy to have a chance. you must always think that the protoss will use adept + warp prism. If you dont build a quiq 3rd cc, youre behind no matter what, because protoss have 3 bases fully saturated when you just stopped his adept harass. Its impossible to not do damage as toss now. Lol, so the 'only viable build' in TvP is an extremely greedy Level 1 Infantry upgrades + quick 3rd CC BEFORE 3rd Barracks/Factory(game 4)? Jesus. Yes, I know that Adepts/Warp Prism is rubbish, but I am just saying that Bomber made massive errors as well. In addition, you normally expect people to have at least 5 Barracks up before third CC if they suspect an all-in OR they want to play aggressively. yes it is. Reaper are dead. is it hard to understand what i wrote? 99% of all protoss wil abuse the warp prism adept harass. and 99% of the time it does damage, no matter how much u prepare for it. i always prepare for it and somehimes i just DIE. IF i go fast 3 rax, instead of early cc, i can deny some of the scv kill n stuff. but then i cant do anything about 4 pylons and a quiq third. and im miles behind. Its absolutey NOTHING a terran can do early vs protoss. so our only way to be almost equal is to get fast eco and hope protoss screw up the adept micro. So you believe that hyper-greed against hyper-aggression in the form of 8 Gateways and Twilight+ Robotics is a good way to play TvP? Are you serious? You say Reaper is dead. But so what? That doesn't even matter; Bomber refused to even scan the main in any point of the game in all 4 games, so of course he is not going to detect the second all-in. And yes, I KNOW that Adept/Warp Prism is absurd right now; I play Terran, so of course I know. My main point is that Bomber made a lot of mistakes and to use his series as an example of imbalance is equally stupid. tell me WHAT can a terran do then? its nothing. Whats the point on stopping it whit super early mass units when the toss have 3 base saturated whenyou barely have 1?
I'd like to see more builds with no marauders.
But I won't.
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Protoss gets free 3 nexus against terran, no matter what terran does.
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On January 16 2016 01:18 GreenHealing wrote:
Protoss gets free 3 nexus against terran, no matter what terran does.
What if 2 proxy rax marine rush ? 
(zerg player here. actually curious what would happen :D )
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On January 16 2016 01:31 A_needle_jog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 01:18 GreenHealing wrote:
Protoss gets free 3 nexus against terran, no matter what terran does. What if 2 proxy rax marine rush ? (zerg player here. actually curious what would happen :D )
A mediocre toss can hold it easily, even while expanding.
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