Designated Balance Discussion Thread - Page 1074

On August 21 2014 22:04 Kuchikikun wrote:


Really? 5 Protoss out of 19 advanced,5/7 Terrans and 6/9 Zergs...that's not balance

On August 23 2014 11:02 forsooth wrote:

Protosses dropping out and Terrans actually existing in Code S again is actually an encouraging sign. We saw the same thing happen when HotS finally put an end to the total Zerg domination of the last year of WoL, and it was a good thing.

On August 23 2014 11:15 brickrd wrote:

im not an expert on the wcs system but isnt that exactly what you would expect to happen when a race is nerfed? like doesnt code A and seeding into next seasons mean that if protoss was strong previously, their "weaker" top players will get seeded forward and then gradually die off as the patches come into effect and terrans/zergs(?) start performing better against them? and isnt that exactly whats happening?

im not making any personal statement about balance, but logically speaking IF you agree protoss was strong then a very low percentage advancing immediately after the patch shouldn't indicate imbalance

On August 24 2014 14:51 brickrd wrote:
i think thats a troll post. no one who actually plays this game would post something like "at least make ghosts good against zergling aggression". that doesn't even remotely make any kind of hypothetical sense

On August 24 2014 16:13 Pursuit_ wrote:


Plus, just looking at the the group stages I dont see anything that looks like an upset. Possibly Dear / TY falling out in Ro32 with TRUE advancing in first place, and maybe an argument could be made for Reality making it over Trap (Although Trap actually had a 3-2 map score over Reality, Reality just won the maps that mattered) or Avenge losing in 2 PvZ's (which is historically his best matchup).

MyuNgSiK, ParalyzE, Hush, Terminator, Hurricane, Trust and Stork (in a group with soO and DRG) falling out in their respective groups doesn't surprise me at all.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_3/Code_S

edit: Classic falling out against Effort / Shine was a bit of an upset as well, but wasn't that played out before the Time Warp nerf? Besides, GSL champion curse in full effect.

On August 24 2014 10:33 chatuka wrote:
Zergs been strong since day one of the game. They keep on gettting good options to use like
swarm hosts, vipers, changelings. On top of that they have useful foot soldiers like Roaches, Hydras(HP is too low on the Hydralisk), Zerglings, banelings. They have air support in mutalisks corruptors, and defensive options like spore crawlers. I don't want to nerf the Zerg, it's a great race to play, but they need to make Terran units more useful against countless zerg options.

I've said they needed to buff the thor, and they have. They need to make the banshee's defense stronger. The raven should be buffed as well, slightly of course. The reaper finally got speed which is great, I still think that it should be a bit cheaper. 25 gas, instead of 50 gas. why does a reaper need that much gas in the first place? +5 attack instead of +4.

-Ghosts cost so much, at least make them powerful to useful against Zergling aggression right? you could increase the range(but decrease EMP attack power), increase the HP, or even increase the speed of the ghosts. Or, the Snipe attack could be upped to 40-50 Air or Ground.

-Ravens cost 200 gas yet they only have 140 hit points? why? they should have at least 170-190 hit points.Or you can reduce the cost of gas from 200G to 150 Gas.

-The siege tank (150/125)for the gas it costs should have 180-200 hit points or the Tank should have an increase in GP(16-18) or an increase in range(12-13). .

-The Swarmhost is 200/100G and so is the ghost. yet the ghosts HP is only 100, and the SH is at 160. This is crazy stuff. The Swarmhost can release these locusts that have their own supply of HP and Attack power. it's a great weapon for Zerg, but terran needs more units that can deal with the Swarm host late game.

-The cost of the Thor(300/200) is 10 times more than a marine yet, the HP of a Thor is only about 9 times as much as a marine. The HP of a Thor should be upped to 450 IMO.

-the Viking, the HP of a Viking should probably be around 140-145 not 125. Yet it costs 150M/75? what is this? mutalisk
gas should be probably 50-75 instead of 100. why so much gas for one mutalisk?

-If the roach is only 75/25 yet it has 145 HP, with +16 attack. why isn't there an answer to it like either a marauders who's cost should be either more similar to the Roach, or increase the HP of the reaper, or they could make hellions cheaper or slightly increase the HP.

- The Banshee needs more hit points upped to probably 160-170. Ground Power should be probably around 13-14. The cloak could last longer, but be more difficult to obtain easily, by making it a long time upgrade. maybe 2 minutes to prevent cheesiness by terrans.

On August 24 2014 19:47 Tyrhanius wrote:

Confirmed troll post ^^

Contrary at this post i think zerg hasn't really changed since the beginning of HOTS (the most important patch of HOTS for zerg is overseer speed). The roach speed, and hydra dps buff haven't really change the meta; Stephano has already played roach hydra during WOL vs Terran. The reason roachs/hydras are more played is more the WM strenght + the threat of Hellbat timing than roach hydra being better vs Terran.

I love to see more viable harass option for zerg which are a bit limited to zergling runby, and mutalisk.

Drops cost 100/100+200/200 = 300/300, roach burrow mouvement cost 100/100+150/150=250/250, Nyndus 200/200+ 100/100=300/300, it's way too expensive for the dmg you can do with this.
It's just all-in and not comparable with T or P cheap dropship/banshee/oracle with can do a ton of dmg, and don't make you lose if you make no dmg.

On August 25 2014 20:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Well Big J, i would love to see more Nydus play tbh, i think it is fun and imo if a player gets "nydused" it is really his own fault