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http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2011/08/11/major-league-gamings-expansion-plan-for-2012-opens-up-more-opportunities-for-gamers-and-advertisers/2/
I'm though the first and a half page and this is solid gold. 55% of stream watchers are not american. 2012 will be a huge expansion year. MK9 will be added to the curcit.
Would that be more about adding tour stops or more competitions between tour stops?
One of our plans is to build something which will support both. Right now we have 18 days a year where we have meaningful competition. We have the six pro circuit stops. Next year we’re looking at between 44 to 50 weeks of meaningful competition play happening in a combination of these tour stops, but also a central location for league activity to take place.
I'll add more to this OP but Its another forbes article so lets get that traffic rolling on there.
How long is your season this year?
We start at the beginning of the year and our season ends in November. It’s basically a year long, but next year it will be more seasonal. The seasons will be broken down into shorter runs with a championship at the end of the year.
this made me think about something. Their only asking for $25 a YEAR for everything. If I didn't have a membership already I'd buy another one.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2011/08/05/why-major-league-gaming-is-thriving-while-pro-sports-are-struggling/
This is another article I found about MLG on forbes its a really cool one.
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I kinda enjoy there being an off-season, I hope they can incorporate that somehow (like, they have lots of games so just make it so each game has a 3-4 month off season... Can probably be accomplished with some clever overlap.
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44 to 50 weeks sounds sick :s
I think it's cool the way it is now.
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44 to 50 weeks? Is he talking about the new online competitions?
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Overdoing it would kill MLG for the viewers too, I think. The last MLG was something special - if they had events too frequently, the big events would lose their impact over time...
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This is great news, MLG is a fantastic event and the more the better! Off-seasons sound good also.
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On August 13 2011 01:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I kinda enjoy there being an off-season, I hope they can incorporate that somehow (like, they have lots of games so just make it so each game has a 3-4 month off season... Can probably be accomplished with some clever overlap.
I agree, I enjoy having the first event of the season to look forward to during the off-season, and seeing how players and teams have prepared during that time. Talking from my experience of watching the Halo for a few years by the way, but it will be the same with Starcraft.
I almost think 44-50 weeks of competitive play sounds like too much (I know, it sounds crazy). But take the NASL for example, I pretty much gave up watching the games mid-season as there was just too many to watch and too much stuff to follow. I like how MLG is now, if anything I think they should only add one or two more pro circuit stops, and keep the off-season.
Saying all this though, any expansion is good for the game and esports in general. Can't wait to see the day when we have an MLG event in Europe!
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Wish List:
More prize money.
New format.
End to the big winter break.
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MK9 is a really bad idea, it's already dead competitively, very few locals tournies are even running it and the only reason it got played was the money netherealm paid to get its own tournament and the money it paid to evo.
Should try and learn something from the CPLs failure at jerking around the FPS community to the "new" ( read PR money thrown at them ) game every year.
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Bigger breaks between MLGs would be helpful. Columbus and Anaheim were really kick-ass, having them too close together isn't good. That's why I'm worried about Raliegh.
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On August 13 2011 02:00 Lewan72 wrote:
Bigger breaks between MLGs would be helpful. Columbus and Anaheim were really kick-ass, having them too close together isn't good. That's why I'm worried about Raliegh.
On complete opposite coasts? I'm pretty sure they will be ok as long as they spread out the circuit stops. They came to Dallas earlier this year and I am already waiting for them to come back!
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On August 13 2011 01:58 Luckbox wrote:
MK9 is a really bad idea, it's already dead competitively, very few locals tournies are even running it and the only reason it got played was the money netherealm paid to get its own tournament and the money it paid to evo.
Should try and learn something from the CPLs failure at jerking around the FPS community to the "new" ( read PR money thrown at them ) game every year.
Thats factually incorrect. They had a 20k prize pool LAN at the beginning of the year and they've been rolling though all the EVO majors and then had the global finals at EVO las vegas.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218210
Its actually a pretty wicked game and I think they're including it to gain some good will with the fgc so they can get SSFIV:AE and UMVC3 onto the tour at some point.
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On August 13 2011 01:55 Seohce wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I kinda enjoy there being an off-season, I hope they can incorporate that somehow (like, they have lots of games so just make it so each game has a 3-4 month off season... Can probably be accomplished with some clever overlap. I agree, I enjoy having the first event of the season to look forward to during the off-season, and seeing how players and teams have prepared during that time. Talking from my experience of watching the Halo for a few years by the way, but it will be the same with Starcraft. I almost think 44-50 weeks of competitive play sounds like too much (I know, it sounds crazy). But take the NASL for example, I pretty much gave up watching the games mid-season as there was just too many to watch and too much stuff to follow. I like how MLG is now, if anything I think they should only add one or two more pro circuit stops, and keep the off-season. Saying all this though, any expansion is good for the game and esports in general. Can't wait to see the day when we have an MLG event in Europe!
Yeah, too much. I don't follow NASL that closely because it IS too much; I only really watched the playoffs. GSL too. I might occasionally drop in and watch a season or just the finals. Actually, this is true for me (and a lot of people) in real sports too haha.
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does this mean we will get content kinda like gom
I have trouble watching content like NASL, there was just way to much content.
I think gomtv has it right, basically its the perfect league except that i cant watch it live because i have a job.
hopefully MLG does something similar, so that i can have regular content. I really like two big individual leagues. Kinda like the MSL and OSL.
I love a big "major" league. That one league that if you win, people respect you, regardless of how you got there. GSL is the only one right now that is like that, so hopefully MLG can make something similar.
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I wonder if they're planning to build some studios in South America as well.
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On August 13 2011 01:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I kinda enjoy there being an off-season, I hope they can incorporate that somehow (like, they have lots of games so just make it so each game has a 3-4 month off season... Can probably be accomplished with some clever overlap.
I agree. There is always MUCH more good play after an off season and I can't watch 10000 hours of SC a year.
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44 to 50 ? That sounds boring. I mean seriously its too much.
So pro gamers can't have any break and if they want to stay in pool play they need to work as slave labor?
This sucks. I mean Sundance has shown that he only cares about profits and not much else!
Anyone still remember the "if we sell 100.000 tickets I will increase the prize" line?
Dreamhack, IEM, IPL, ESL, etc... on the other hand have been very community and players centric.
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On August 13 2011 02:22 thehitman wrote:
44 to 50 ? That sounds boring. I mean seriously its too much.
So pro gamers can't have any break and if they want to stay in pool play they need to work as slave labor?
This sucks. I mean Sundance has shown that he only cares about profits and not much else!
Anyone still remember the "if we sell 100.000 tickets I will increase the prize" line?
Dreamhack, IEM, IPL, ESL, etc... on the other hand have been very community and players centric.
MLG is backed by venture capitalist money
at some point Sundance has to show MLG investors that the MLG business model works and can make money otherwise investor money gets pulled and MLG either dies or reduces significantly in size
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On August 13 2011 02:21 DeltruS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I kinda enjoy there being an off-season, I hope they can incorporate that somehow (like, they have lots of games so just make it so each game has a 3-4 month off season... Can probably be accomplished with some clever overlap. I agree. There is always MUCH more good play after an off season and I can't watch 10000 hours of SC a year.
I like the off season in broodwar, it was a time for fun little tournaments, like the all stars, stx soul masters things. It was good stuff.
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On August 13 2011 02:22 thehitman wrote:
44 to 50 ? That sounds boring. I mean seriously its too much.
So pro gamers can't have any break and if they want to stay in pool play they need to work as slave labor?
This sucks. I mean Sundance has shown that he only cares about profits and not much else!
Anyone still remember the "if we sell 100.000 tickets I will increase the prize" line?
Dreamhack, IEM, IPL, ESL, etc... on the other hand have been very community and players centric.
I cannot tell if you are being serious. 44-50 weeks of competition will most likely be done online and not at an actual event. MLG has always been community and player centric. A lot of the MLG staff used to be gamers themselves at the top level. In the end they are a business but I have not seen a CEO of a business be so actively involved in communities outside of his companies website before.
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yeah, adding MK9 is a bad move by MLG, this game has no community.
I think what MLG needs to do is have events outside of the US and start to be a global circuit like ESWC was or like WCG is, but with many more stops.
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On August 13 2011 01:55 Seohce wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I kinda enjoy there being an off-season, I hope they can incorporate that somehow (like, they have lots of games so just make it so each game has a 3-4 month off season... Can probably be accomplished with some clever overlap. I agree, I enjoy having the first event of the season to look forward to during the off-season, and seeing how players and teams have prepared during that time. Talking from my experience of watching the Halo for a few years by the way, but it will be the same with Starcraft. I almost think 44-50 weeks of competitive play sounds like too much (I know, it sounds crazy). But take the NASL for example, I pretty much gave up watching the games mid-season as there was just too many to watch and too much stuff to follow. I like how MLG is now, if anything I think they should only add one or two more pro circuit stops, and keep the off-season. Saying all this though, any expansion is good for the game and esports in general. Can't wait to see the day when we have an MLG event in Europe!
While I agree that there COULD be too much stuff happening at once, I really enjoyed the NASL because I was able to watch high level starcraft basically at any day in the week. I do think that 44-50 weeks is too much, but I would be all for like 1 event per month. I could totally spend one weekend a month doing nothing but watching MLG 
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Wow that is a lot of SC2, I hope they can maintain consistent quality while giving content for almost the entire year. Excited nontheless for some awesome content though
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On August 13 2011 01:58 Luckbox wrote:
MK9 is a really bad idea, it's already dead competitively, very few locals tournies are even running it and the only reason it got played was the money netherealm paid to get its own tournament and the money it paid to evo.
Should try and learn something from the CPLs failure at jerking around the FPS community to the "new" ( read PR money thrown at them ) game every year.
Sundance has said he's trying to get Capcom games, but the previous CEO kind of pissed the living hell out of Capcom, so it's going to take some work.
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Are they adding LoL to their roster?it seems like that would be a good thing to do.
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its not 44-55 weeks of competition btw, its days. There isnt even 55 weeks in a year lol
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"50 weeks of competition? that's too much ESPORTS for me!"
Do you guys realize how retarded you sound right now? I'm pretty sure most people don't watch every single goddamn game played in sport leagues like the NFL or NHL, doesn't mean it isn't a good thing there is always something going on.
No one's going to take something that only happens a few weekends a year seriously. I for one, congratulate Sundance.
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Slasher, on the last Live on Three, said they now have two full studios setup in Dallas & New York. I expect we'll be seeing weekend & online tournaments with maybe 6-8 big LANs a year.
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Make more stops instead! WTB MLG Toronto.
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On August 13 2011 02:50 Cyrak wrote:
Make more stops instead! WTB MLG Toronto.
Yes please!! If not Toronto at least somewhere in Ontario or Quebec
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United States994 Posts
More weeks of competition does not mean that every title carried by the Pro Circuit will be active for those weeks. He means that we'll be doing more activity for the PRO CIRCUIT, not *insert title here* will be operated and broadcast all year.
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MLG should have competitions at their HQ in NYC during off season.
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"Next year we’re looking at between 44 to 50 weeks of meaningful competition play happening in a combination of these tour stops, but also a central location for league activity to take place" is I think the key point.
We're going to get either 2 or 3 "seasons" each year. I'm thinking, if 2 seasons + national finals, it's probably 3 LANs per season + national finals. If 3 seasons, likely 2 LANs per season then national finals.
There will be some leagues between. I'm guessing focused on weekends and maybe like 8-man invite SC2 tournaments? 8-team FPS competitions? There's a lot they can do on a weekend.
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I'm unsure about the 44-50 weeks from purely a spectator view point. I believe the hype around MLG is because of it's infrequency I guess, it happens 6 times a year for three days each events making a total of 18 days.
While the layout it different it's a similar (not exact) amount of days total as say an OSL or MSL.
I've already cut down on a lot of content because I simply do not have the time to view it all, the same will follow with MLG's new online format, but I'll be sure to stick with watching the events.
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On August 13 2011 02:52 agtemd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 02:50 Cyrak wrote:
Make more stops instead! WTB MLG Toronto. Yes please!! If not Toronto at least somewhere in Ontario or Quebec
Sundance has said that getting their equipment across the border is a nightmare to no end. So don't expect any Canada LANs anytime soon. 
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MK9 was awesome at EVO imo and did alot better then I thought it would, cant wait to se what will happen if someone as big as MLG picks it up.
Its dosent have a big community right now but that might come.
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On August 13 2011 02:57 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 02:52 agtemd wrote:On August 13 2011 02:50 Cyrak wrote:
Make more stops instead! WTB MLG Toronto. Yes please!! If not Toronto at least somewhere in Ontario or Quebec Sundance has said that getting their equipment across the border is a nightmare to no end. So don't expect any Canada LANs anytime soon.
Ahhhh, that is understandable but depressing.
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I think MLG should use one of these headquarters as a studio similar to GSL/GOMtv. When there isn't a tournament, matches between teams/players should be played in front of an audience and streamed online. These games would basically be similar online qualifiers for the Pro Circuit.
^_^
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MLG is amazing, I really hope that it succeeds, at 25$ for a year of content I will definitely buy the ticket.
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Really want to know where the tour stops are next year...hoping one is in DC or around it.
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Perfect. We need more regional MLG Pro-Am/online qualifiers/small prize money tourneys in addition to the main 5-6 "Pro Circuits". This is the only way we will find the American Bomber and MC.
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I hope they don't do some sort of long drawn out league format. I love MLG's tournament format where you take the time for 2 nights on a weekend and you get a epic final with a winner in 2 days. And every game you watch is exciting because it has such a high importance on the player's tournament life.
Please keep it simple, NASL is really to much games to watch, even GSL is getting too watered down.
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On August 13 2011 02:47 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:58 Luckbox wrote:
MK9 is a really bad idea, it's already dead competitively, very few locals tournies are even running it and the only reason it got played was the money netherealm paid to get its own tournament and the money it paid to evo.
Should try and learn something from the CPLs failure at jerking around the FPS community to the "new" ( read PR money thrown at them ) game every year. Sundance has said he's trying to get Capcom games, but the previous CEO kind of pissed the living hell out of Capcom, so it's going to take some work.
Whoa previous CEO? That sucks. I'm crossing my fingers for SFIV.
On August 13 2011 02:48 Joey Wheeler wrote:
"50 weeks of competition? that's too much ESPORTS for me!"
Do you guys realize how retarded you sound right now? I'm pretty sure most people don't watch every single goddamn game played in sport leagues like the NFL or NHL, doesn't mean it isn't a good thing there is always something going on.
No one's going to take something that only happens a few weekends a year seriously. I for one, congratulate Sundance.
Most people only have access to their local sports teams or occasional game broadcasted every other Sunday if you're lucky. Only a handful probably buy a season pass. There is a legit concern of diluting your content. But I guess MLG wants to keep all eyes on them. We'll see what they do. I'm sure it's going to be a lot of online stuff. Kind of what IPL is doing... "IPL TV" plus a team KOTH and infrequent "main event." Always making sure something is going on.
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Personally I love going to Gomtv and being able to watch a match almost every night, it's great imo. And plus I feel this will open up a lot of doors for newcomers to enter the competitive scene and allow Starcraft and E-Sports to grow immensely.
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On August 13 2011 03:12 ImGonnaRideYou wrote:
Perfect. We need more regional MLG Pro-Am/online qualifiers/small prize money tourneys in addition to the main 5-6 "Pro Circuits". This is the only way we will find the American Bomber and MC.
On a recent podcasts Sundance confirmed there will only be 4 events for 2012.
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On August 13 2011 01:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I kinda enjoy there being an off-season, I hope they can incorporate that somehow (like, they have lots of games so just make it so each game has a 3-4 month off season... Can probably be accomplished with some clever overlap.
well if they want '50 weeks of meaningful play' a year on every game it means there cant be an off season. if that 50 weeks means there will be something going on somewhere every week, its possible they could preserve the winter break for sc2 while still adding more summer events
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MORTAL KOMBAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sweden33719 Posts
On August 13 2011 02:53 MLG_Adam wrote:
More weeks of competition does not mean that every title carried by the Pro Circuit will be active for those weeks. He means that we'll be doing more activity for the PRO CIRCUIT, not *insert title here* will be operated and broadcast all year.
Thats great to hear, and what I was hoping would be the case
On August 13 2011 04:56 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 03:12 ImGonnaRideYou wrote:
Perfect. We need more regional MLG Pro-Am/online qualifiers/small prize money tourneys in addition to the main 5-6 "Pro Circuits". This is the only way we will find the American Bomber and MC. On a recent podcasts Sundance confirmed there will only be 4 events for 2012.
Really? For SC2 or in general?
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Honestly.. MLG events twice every three months is a great way. So 8 events an yr, so the hype can build up.
Or have it monthly bases, so one weekend per month would be cool too. And they need to go to DC, Miami :D .. would be great
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Edit: My bad, inaccurate post
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On August 13 2011 05:08 RoboBob wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 04:57 turdburgler wrote:On August 13 2011 01:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I kinda enjoy there being an off-season, I hope they can incorporate that somehow (like, they have lots of games so just make it so each game has a 3-4 month off season... Can probably be accomplished with some clever overlap. well if they want '50 weeks of meaningful play' a year on every game it means there cant be an off season. if that 50 weeks means there will be something going on somewhere every week, its possible they could preserve the winter break for sc2 while still adding more summer events Its 40-50 days of competition, not 40-50 weeks lol If they're going to limit it to just 4 events (which podcast did SD say that?) that means each event would be a 2 week affair. Which is rather unrealistic. I'm guessing that many of those "days of competition" will be online play.
No, its weeks...
Next year we’re looking at between 44 to 50 weeks of meaningful competition play happening in a combination of these tour stops, but also a central location for league activity to take place.
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On August 13 2011 05:02 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 02:53 MLG_Adam wrote:
More weeks of competition does not mean that every title carried by the Pro Circuit will be active for those weeks. He means that we'll be doing more activity for the PRO CIRCUIT, not *insert title here* will be operated and broadcast all year. Thats great to hear, and what I was hoping would be the case Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 04:56 zaii wrote:On August 13 2011 03:12 ImGonnaRideYou wrote:
Perfect. We need more regional MLG Pro-Am/online qualifiers/small prize money tourneys in addition to the main 5-6 "Pro Circuits". This is the only way we will find the American Bomber and MC. On a recent podcasts Sundance confirmed there will only be 4 events for 2012. Really? For SC2 or in general?
4 events = 4 National championships for all games.
Sundance mentioned flying players to there newly built Arenas/studios to play there matches. They have 2million $ of stipends/prizepool to take care of that.
so pretty much MLG is gonna do it GOM style.
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On August 13 2011 02:53 MLG_Adam wrote:
More weeks of competition does not mean that every title carried by the Pro Circuit will be active for those weeks. He means that we'll be doing more activity for the PRO CIRCUIT, not *insert title here* will be operated and broadcast all year.
Oh good. I really like the on-season off-season feel of MLG. Is creates anticipation and hypes the tournaments more. There is such thing as viewer fatigue. So this sounds like healthier expansion then it initially sounded.
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On August 13 2011 02:53 MLG_Adam wrote:
More weeks of competition does not mean that every title carried by the Pro Circuit will be active for those weeks. He means that we'll be doing more activity for the PRO CIRCUIT, not *insert title here* will be operated and broadcast all year.
What can I say, this is awesome news. I'm glad MLG is getting the additional sponsors/revenue and enough viewership to make this possible.
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On August 13 2011 05:12 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 05:02 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 13 2011 02:53 MLG_Adam wrote:
More weeks of competition does not mean that every title carried by the Pro Circuit will be active for those weeks. He means that we'll be doing more activity for the PRO CIRCUIT, not *insert title here* will be operated and broadcast all year. Thats great to hear, and what I was hoping would be the case On August 13 2011 04:56 zaii wrote:On August 13 2011 03:12 ImGonnaRideYou wrote:
Perfect. We need more regional MLG Pro-Am/online qualifiers/small prize money tourneys in addition to the main 5-6 "Pro Circuits". This is the only way we will find the American Bomber and MC. On a recent podcasts Sundance confirmed there will only be 4 events for 2012. Really? For SC2 or in general? 4 events = 4 National championships for all games. Sundance mentioned flying players to there newly built Arenas/studios to play there matches. They have 2million $ of stipends/prizepool to take care of that. so pretty much MLG is gonna do it GOM style.
If MLG creates the REAL Global Starcraft League (yes there are a few nonkoreans in every GSL but you get the idea), with the GSL format, that would be amazing.
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I must say I'm definitely looking forward to hearing more about this!
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On August 13 2011 05:12 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 05:02 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 13 2011 02:53 MLG_Adam wrote:
More weeks of competition does not mean that every title carried by the Pro Circuit will be active for those weeks. He means that we'll be doing more activity for the PRO CIRCUIT, not *insert title here* will be operated and broadcast all year. Thats great to hear, and what I was hoping would be the case On August 13 2011 04:56 zaii wrote:On August 13 2011 03:12 ImGonnaRideYou wrote:
Perfect. We need more regional MLG Pro-Am/online qualifiers/small prize money tourneys in addition to the main 5-6 "Pro Circuits". This is the only way we will find the American Bomber and MC. On a recent podcasts Sundance confirmed there will only be 4 events for 2012. Really? For SC2 or in general? 4 events = 4 National championships for all games. Sundance mentioned flying players to there newly built Arenas/studios to play there matches. They have 2million $ of stipends/prizepool to take care of that. so pretty much MLG is gonna do it GOM style.
Wow really? Well I hope this is going to be a quality over quantity type deal. The fun part of MLG is going to the events. Going by the interview... maybe it will be like NASL, online play into live playoffs. This would make MLG events less RUSH RUSH RUSH and delays delay delays. It's certainty piqued my curiosity, I can't wait to hear what's in store for 2012.
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Here is the recent podcast that has been mentioned, good 2 hour convo with Sundance.
http://vvvgaming.podbean.com/2011/08/11/losers-bracket-round-79/Sundance DiGiovanni, the CEO of MLG, once again joins us on The Loser's Bracket Podcast as we host the show live for the first time ever! Listen in to hear LordJerith conduct our most detailed interview with Sundance to date. Sundance answers questions from the community and shares details about the future of MLG including potential games for 2012. Is Halo in danger of leaving the circuit? Is Call of Duty returning to the Xbox in 2012? Will a MOBA title be featured on the MLG circuit next year? Tune in for answers to these questions and much more!
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On August 13 2011 01:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I kinda enjoy there being an off-season, I hope they can incorporate that somehow (like, they have lots of games so just make it so each game has a 3-4 month off season... Can probably be accomplished with some clever overlap.
Totally unrelated, but I was like
"Hey, Jinro has a new cute arbiter icon"
Then it froze and I giggled like crazy.
On topic, more MLG stuff always sounds like a good thing. I do hope the quality of their events keeps increasing. I really liked MLG Columbus but Anaheim seemed like a step back.
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Why is MK9 being added to the circuit over better Fighting games like Street Fighter? And more fun-to-watch fighting games like Marvel vs. Capcom 3?
Edit: reading through the topic.
On August 13 2011 02:47 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:58 Luckbox wrote:
MK9 is a really bad idea, it's already dead competitively, very few locals tournies are even running it and the only reason it got played was the money netherealm paid to get its own tournament and the money it paid to evo.
Should try and learn something from the CPLs failure at jerking around the FPS community to the "new" ( read PR money thrown at them ) game every year. Sundance has said he's trying to get Capcom games, but the previous CEO kind of pissed the living hell out of Capcom, so it's going to take some work.
Then why not try and get BlazBlue or something?
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On August 13 2011 06:08 dabom88 wrote:Why is MK9 being added to the circuit over better Fighting games like Street Fighter? And more fun-to-watch fighting games like Marvel vs. Capcom 3? Edit: reading through the topic. Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 02:47 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 13 2011 01:58 Luckbox wrote:
MK9 is a really bad idea, it's already dead competitively, very few locals tournies are even running it and the only reason it got played was the money netherealm paid to get its own tournament and the money it paid to evo.
Should try and learn something from the CPLs failure at jerking around the FPS community to the "new" ( read PR money thrown at them ) game every year. Sundance has said he's trying to get Capcom games, but the previous CEO kind of pissed the living hell out of Capcom, so it's going to take some work. Then why not try and get BlazBlue or something?
because Capcom has banned MLG from using them.
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On August 13 2011 01:58 Luckbox wrote:
MK9 is a really bad idea, it's already dead competitively, very few locals tournies are even running it and the only reason it got played was the money netherealm paid to get its own tournament and the money it paid to evo.
Should try and learn something from the CPLs failure at jerking around the FPS community to the "new" ( read PR money thrown at them ) game every year.
MLG regularly picks up a questionable game and unlike CPL they know how to do that. if you can remember when SC2 first got picked up, most people were extremely dissatisfied with how little they supported it originally. now to then is a rags to riches comparison. that's because MLG isn't retarded like CPL and they approach new circuit games with cautious optimism.
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please dont turn into NASL... I look forward to mega weekends and dont want to think i have to watch every night just to know whats going on
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On August 13 2011 06:19 Vinx wrote:
please dont turn into NASL... I look forward to mega weekends and dont want to think i have to watch every night just to know whats going on
When we announce our new structure (*when* we do...thanks SD for stirring you guys up ), you'll see that we agree with you. 'Mega weekends' of action are not going anywhere. Just expect more of them (not too many...trust me on that), with clear paths to inclusion in the tournaments highest levels of competition (e.g. No more hanging onto pool play spots for too long). Also, we really like the GSL exchange program, and we have some great ideas on how to expand it...globally.
Stay tuned. But trust me, we don't want to over saturate the market either.
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stop trying to advertise your thread as if it matters.. that one has 5 posts this one has 4+ pages..
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On August 13 2011 06:09 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:08 dabom88 wrote:Why is MK9 being added to the circuit over better Fighting games like Street Fighter? And more fun-to-watch fighting games like Marvel vs. Capcom 3? Edit: reading through the topic. On August 13 2011 02:47 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 13 2011 01:58 Luckbox wrote:
MK9 is a really bad idea, it's already dead competitively, very few locals tournies are even running it and the only reason it got played was the money netherealm paid to get its own tournament and the money it paid to evo.
Should try and learn something from the CPLs failure at jerking around the FPS community to the "new" ( read PR money thrown at them ) game every year. Sundance has said he's trying to get Capcom games, but the previous CEO kind of pissed the living hell out of Capcom, so it's going to take some work. Then why not try and get BlazBlue or something? because Capcom has banned MLG from using them.
1. Already covered the issue of Capcom games in the edit as you can see that you quoted.
2. BlazBlue isn't made by Capcom.
Also, why not Tekken?
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On August 13 2011 06:22 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:19 Vinx wrote:
please dont turn into NASL... I look forward to mega weekends and dont want to think i have to watch every night just to know whats going on When we announce our new structure (*when* we do...thanks SD for stirring you guys up ), you'll see that we agree with you. 'Mega weekends' of action are not going anywhere. Just expect more of them (not too many...trust me on that), with clear paths to inclusion in the tournaments highest levels of competition (e.g. No more hanging onto pool play spots for too long). Also, we really like the GSL exchange program, and we have some great ideas on how to expand it...globally. Stay tuned. But trust me, we don't want to over saturate the market either.
It seems to me from the limit amount of information out there, that the mega weekends are still there, but in order to create a more dynamic player environment and provide more fluidity to the point ranking, multiple smaller events will supplement the larger ones. Allowing for more opportunities to succeed or fall without letting player perform well once and coast into the grand finals, or having a player miss a tournament here and there early on and have no real chance to make it to the grand finals regardless of performance later on.
I could be mistaken though.
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This seems interesting, I hope they tie it with the GSL and/or other leagues.
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On August 13 2011 06:30 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:22 MLG_Adam wrote:On August 13 2011 06:19 Vinx wrote:
please dont turn into NASL... I look forward to mega weekends and dont want to think i have to watch every night just to know whats going on When we announce our new structure (*when* we do...thanks SD for stirring you guys up ), you'll see that we agree with you. 'Mega weekends' of action are not going anywhere. Just expect more of them (not too many...trust me on that), with clear paths to inclusion in the tournaments highest levels of competition (e.g. No more hanging onto pool play spots for too long). Also, we really like the GSL exchange program, and we have some great ideas on how to expand it...globally. Stay tuned. But trust me, we don't want to over saturate the market either. It seems to me from the limit amount of information out there, that the mega weekends are still there, but in order to create a more dynamic player environment and provide more fluidity to the point ranking, multiple smaller events will supplement the larger ones. Allowing for more opportunities to succeed or fall without letting player perform well once and coast into the grand finals, or having a player miss a tournament here and there early on and have no real chance to make it to the grand finals regardless of performance later on. I could be mistaken though.
We will never take away the aspirational aspect of the open bracket. I wish I could be fully open, but we are not ready yet. Soon.
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Awesome news, loving MLG even more! And to those saying MK9 is a bad choice, I respectfully have to disagree. MK9 is only getting bigger, especially after its excellent Evo finals showing. Before Evo it was basically AE and MVC3. Leading the pack with tekken behinf it, but MK9 completely blew tekken out of the water(Bob vs Bob 80% of the matches, and Bob vs Law the other 20%). Sure id love to see MVC3 and especially AE at MLG, but until things are worked out with capcom, MK9 is definitely a great substitute.
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On August 13 2011 06:32 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:30 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On August 13 2011 06:22 MLG_Adam wrote:On August 13 2011 06:19 Vinx wrote:
please dont turn into NASL... I look forward to mega weekends and dont want to think i have to watch every night just to know whats going on When we announce our new structure (*when* we do...thanks SD for stirring you guys up ), you'll see that we agree with you. 'Mega weekends' of action are not going anywhere. Just expect more of them (not too many...trust me on that), with clear paths to inclusion in the tournaments highest levels of competition (e.g. No more hanging onto pool play spots for too long). Also, we really like the GSL exchange program, and we have some great ideas on how to expand it...globally. Stay tuned. But trust me, we don't want to over saturate the market either. It seems to me from the limit amount of information out there, that the mega weekends are still there, but in order to create a more dynamic player environment and provide more fluidity to the point ranking, multiple smaller events will supplement the larger ones. Allowing for more opportunities to succeed or fall without letting player perform well once and coast into the grand finals, or having a player miss a tournament here and there early on and have no real chance to make it to the grand finals regardless of performance later on. I could be mistaken though. We will never take away the aspirational aspect of the open bracket. I wish I could be fully open, but we are not ready yet. Soon.
Sundance has spent too much time around InControl. Just saying.
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An offseason is important. Remember, e-sports has to compete with REAL sports as well too.
The NFL and NCAAF season are coming up; I'm really interested to see if that dips into MLG's numbers. I know for my part, I'm a huge NFL fan, and e-sports has something great for me to get into during the offseason.
However, if an MLG even is during a weekend where there is NCAA football all day Saturday and NFL football all day Sunday...I'm probably not going to be the only one choosing to watch football instead of Starcraft.
So my point is you can't just have MLG events going on all the time; you'll reach a saturation point where people lose interest compared to other things.
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On August 13 2011 06:32 PHILtheTANK wrote:
Awesome news, loving MLG even more! And to those saying MK9 is a bad choice, I respectfully have to disagree. MK9 is only getting bigger, especially after its excellent Evo finals showing. Before Evo it was basically AE and MVC3. Leading the pack with tekken behinf it, but MK9 completely blew tekken out of the water(Bob vs Bob 80% of the matches, and Bob vs Law the other 20%). Sure id love to see MVC3 and especially AE at MLG, but until things are worked out with capcom, MK9 is definitely a great substitute.
I recall the audience shouting "Mortal Kombat... SUCKS!" at Evo. Maybe it was just trolling, but that's still a significant portion of the audience that shouted "SUCKS!". And you could say the same thing about Kung Lao vs. Kung Lao, etc. in it.
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On August 13 2011 06:22 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:19 Vinx wrote:
please dont turn into NASL... I look forward to mega weekends and dont want to think i have to watch every night just to know whats going on When we announce our new structure (*when* we do...thanks SD for stirring you guys up ), you'll see that we agree with you. 'Mega weekends' of action are not going anywhere. Just expect more of them (not too many...trust me on that), with clear paths to inclusion in the tournaments highest levels of competition (e.g. No more hanging onto pool play spots for too long). Also, we really like the GSL exchange program, and we have some great ideas on how to expand it...globally. Stay tuned. But trust me, we don't want to over saturate the market either.
That sounds great, and the GOM exchange program was such a fantastic decision, it has 'upped' the prestige on the $5k 1st place by so much, where no one would care if not for the Code S first prize!
Glad you are thinking of ways to make pool play more fluid, and yes the open bracket is always important as it is an awesome way for less famous players to make a name for themselves. It is also something like the Code B qualifiers (which is vital and brings hype).
If you ever go into a league system, it is important to have both Code A, Code S, etc. KESPA and BW pro-scene is run similar to the professional Go/Baduk scene (another mind-sport like Chess) where qualifications to become a pro is insanely difficult and only the truly passionate make it through. Idra doing well at the Challenge Tournament in BW was truly impressive.
There are too many Tom Dick and Harrys who just stream, decide to play 24/7 for fun (as opposed to training to be the best) and call themselves a pro. A pro has to meet a minimum standard of skill and play, and the bar is continually being pushed higher by the truly passionate.
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Okay, yeah, LoL is definitely a good addition. Much better than NASL's HoN. Just another reason to prefer MLG.
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On August 13 2011 02:22 thehitman wrote:
44 to 50 ? That sounds boring. I mean seriously its too much.
So pro gamers can't have any break and if they want to stay in pool play they need to work as slave labor?
This sucks. I mean Sundance has shown that he only cares about profits and not much else!
Anyone still remember the "if we sell 100.000 tickets I will increase the prize" line?
Dreamhack, IEM, IPL, ESL, etc... on the other hand have been very community and players centric.
MLG was one of the most professional feeling events I've been to and I feel Sundance has been VERY accommodating with the community. He's just being realistic at the same time. In fact, I'm GLAD something like this is trying to be run as a business, to show that ESPORTS is some serious shit and not some random ass hobby.
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I think this is great news! As a viewer, I'd rather not have an off season. That's so that if I want to watch high level sc2, I can do so any time! Cool stuff!
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On August 13 2011 06:51 dabom88 wrote:Okay, yeah, LoL is definitely a good addition. Much better than NASL's HoN. Just another reason to prefer MLG.
To be fair HoN will be in MLG Orlando.
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On August 13 2011 06:43 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:32 PHILtheTANK wrote:
Awesome news, loving MLG even more! And to those saying MK9 is a bad choice, I respectfully have to disagree. MK9 is only getting bigger, especially after its excellent Evo finals showing. Before Evo it was basically AE and MVC3. Leading the pack with tekken behinf it, but MK9 completely blew tekken out of the water(Bob vs Bob 80% of the matches, and Bob vs Law the other 20%). Sure id love to see MVC3 and especially AE at MLG, but until things are worked out with capcom, MK9 is definitely a great substitute. I recall the audience shouting "Mortal Kombat... SUCKS!" at Evo. Maybe it was just trolling, but that's still a significant portion of the audience that shouted "SUCKS!". And you could say the same thing about Kung Lao vs. Kung Lao, etc. in it.
Halo fans at MLG also yell shit about SC2 sucking, and SC2 fans booed Instinct off the stage at Anaheim, just because some people are being dicks doenst mean the games suck.
And you couldn't say the same thing about "kung lao vs kung lao".... the top 8 of MK9 consited of 7 different characters as mains iirc, and i know we saw a cyrax, which made it 8 unique characters in the top 8... thats called diversity.
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On August 13 2011 06:54 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:51 dabom88 wrote:Okay, yeah, LoL is definitely a good addition. Much better than NASL's HoN. Just another reason to prefer MLG. To be fair HoN will be in MLG Orlando.
HoN does not have enough of a player base, and Dota2 is going to explode when it comes out.
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I agree with everyone clamoring for an offseason.
I think MLG needs to take a page from the NFL and make it so every competition is meaningful. Not like the MLB (*cough* NASL *cough*) where you don't need to pay attention until the playoffs.
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This is good, the more games the better. No one complains about there being "too much" football in a regular season. Having more games means more people will watch and you will get the hardcore fans. It is good. I see some people saying that they will lose interest... so you can stop watching, i am sure they will be gaining 2 new people in your place.
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