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oh wow they should do great under Navi's leadership... watched her stream several times shes real solid! best of luck to you all
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Best of luck guys .. err Girls!
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That's sweet, best of luck to you girls!
Hope you guys own up some dudes.
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On August 09 2011 01:04 Duravi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 00:52 karenmcd wrote:Thanks so much for all the positive feedback everyone! :o) On August 08 2011 21:49 iRaYP wrote:On August 08 2011 20:28 han_han wrote:
If enough women are interested in SC2 and esports, I think it'd be a good idea to start a separate women's league, so that the budding women players don't just get automatically shut out by the veteran male players. After they've had a chance to experience the competitive environment against each other, they'll be battle hardened and ready for the league merging!
For anyone who is going to call me "sexist," or any of those "feminists" who think I'm being chauvinistic, I am only suggesting this in the interests of seeing as many female gamers as there are male gamers some day. Feminism is about equality, and I think to work towards equality, we need to make sure the flame doesn't get stamped out before it has a chance to burn.
Let's face it, there are not many pro female gamers, and any new ones that are up and coming are probably going to be stomped in tourneys (not because they are female, but because they are relatively new) by the guys who have been practicing all day every day for the last year. The problem with my suggestion is that we would need an explosion of female teams in order for a whole new league to be formed =( Female teams like this one are the sparks needed to get girls into e-sports! Really like the Name and Logo  , On a related note to the quoted poster, i really hope a womens only league doesn't happen if its for any kind of big prize money(im talking regular MLG prize pool or bigger here). I don't like the idea that inferior players(Im making the assumption that the reason the league would be separate is because of current skill level) could earn more than better player just based on the fact they are female. This also applies to all " discrimination " such as if a tournament where to flat out refuse to allow anybody with a korean passport into the tournament. If its your own $500 tournament, go ahead and do what you like but for big prizes I want it to be the best that win. iRaYP: Thanks so much for the compliment on the logo! wow to your paragraph though! that was really very sexist to say such a thing. Like han_han wrote, it's about equality. There's a WPGA, and for that matter, a women's league in pretty much every sport I can think of... why shouldn't there be in e-sports also, competing for equally lucrative prize pools. Seriously are you living in 2011? or 1911? Equal opportunities for competitive gaming means letting women have their own league if they want it. Later, like han_han said, and the community is more open to it, they can start merging the two for competitive play. That's not to say that we don't have players that can and are willing to compete against male competitors... we do!! All of us are more than happy to kick a guy's butt on the ladder!! on my opinionated post tho... Nobody will ever win the Battle of the Sexes. There's just too much fraternizing with the enemy. ~Henry Kissinger re: clan PMS/H2O Most of us are all friends and have met each other through other social media, forums and on the ladder. I'm sure at some point we'll enter some friendly rivalry, or play against each other in the future for something other than a 2lb chocolate  - but we often have to play against our own teammates too, and we still stay friends. Ultimately for me, it's about promoting e-sports as a whole and trying to contribute something to the development of it. I'm not going to argue for that guy's point, but you cannot use physical sports in a comparison to starcraft. The reason there is a WPGA and a women's league in most sports is obviously because of the physical differences between men and women. That is not to say in anyway that having a female starcraft league is a bad thing, best of luck!
The physiological differences of women extend to the brain. Do some research, it's true. Their motor skills have differences from ours. Their brains react differently to different stimuli.
http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n11/mente/eisntein/cerebro-homens.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Health/story?id=424260&page=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans#Brain_and_nervous_system
http://www.stanford.edu/~niederle/Gender.pdf
There's some sources for my claims.
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Thanks guys!
to the rest... why is this always a problem? every single topic that says "girls" in it .Stop the trolling <3 be happy <3 ^.^
We got guys as part of the team, they are our coaches.
"On August 08 2011 20:50 YourMom wrote:
I demand proof of team members gender, preferably in form of photographic evidence." -> I LOL'd
Bottom line, enjoy the site, and we hope to be involved in more tournaments! GL HF!
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On August 09 2011 01:10 Aberu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 01:04 Duravi wrote:On August 09 2011 00:52 karenmcd wrote:Thanks so much for all the positive feedback everyone! :o) On August 08 2011 21:49 iRaYP wrote:On August 08 2011 20:28 han_han wrote:
If enough women are interested in SC2 and esports, I think it'd be a good idea to start a separate women's league, so that the budding women players don't just get automatically shut out by the veteran male players. After they've had a chance to experience the competitive environment against each other, they'll be battle hardened and ready for the league merging!
For anyone who is going to call me "sexist," or any of those "feminists" who think I'm being chauvinistic, I am only suggesting this in the interests of seeing as many female gamers as there are male gamers some day. Feminism is about equality, and I think to work towards equality, we need to make sure the flame doesn't get stamped out before it has a chance to burn.
Let's face it, there are not many pro female gamers, and any new ones that are up and coming are probably going to be stomped in tourneys (not because they are female, but because they are relatively new) by the guys who have been practicing all day every day for the last year. The problem with my suggestion is that we would need an explosion of female teams in order for a whole new league to be formed =( Female teams like this one are the sparks needed to get girls into e-sports! Really like the Name and Logo , On a related note to the quoted poster, i really hope a womens only league doesn't happen if its for any kind of big prize money(im talking regular MLG prize pool or bigger here). I don't like the idea that inferior players(Im making the assumption that the reason the league would be separate is because of current skill level) could earn more than better player just based on the fact they are female. This also applies to all " discrimination " such as if a tournament where to flat out refuse to allow anybody with a korean passport into the tournament. If its your own $500 tournament, go ahead and do what you like but for big prizes I want it to be the best that win. iRaYP: Thanks so much for the compliment on the logo! wow to your paragraph though! that was really very sexist to say such a thing. Like han_han wrote, it's about equality. There's a WPGA, and for that matter, a women's league in pretty much every sport I can think of... why shouldn't there be in e-sports also, competing for equally lucrative prize pools. Seriously are you living in 2011? or 1911? Equal opportunities for competitive gaming means letting women have their own league if they want it. Later, like han_han said, and the community is more open to it, they can start merging the two for competitive play. That's not to say that we don't have players that can and are willing to compete against male competitors... we do!! All of us are more than happy to kick a guy's butt on the ladder!! on my opinionated post tho... Nobody will ever win the Battle of the Sexes. There's just too much fraternizing with the enemy. ~Henry Kissinger re: clan PMS/H2O Most of us are all friends and have met each other through other social media, forums and on the ladder. I'm sure at some point we'll enter some friendly rivalry, or play against each other in the future for something other than a 2lb chocolate - but we often have to play against our own teammates too, and we still stay friends. Ultimately for me, it's about promoting e-sports as a whole and trying to contribute something to the development of it. I'm not going to argue for that guy's point, but you cannot use physical sports in a comparison to starcraft. The reason there is a WPGA and a women's league in most sports is obviously because of the physical differences between men and women. That is not to say in anyway that having a female starcraft league is a bad thing, best of luck! The physiological differences of women extend to the brain. Do some research, it's true. Their motor skills have differences from ours. Their brains react differently to different stimuli. http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n11/mente/eisntein/cerebro-homens.htmlhttp://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Health/story?id=424260&page=1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans#Brain_and_nervous_systemhttp://www.stanford.edu/~niederle/Gender.pdfThere's some sources for my claims.
I know, and that is a good argument you are making. I was just saying the argument given before was a comparison to physical activities, if she wanted to make an argument she should have made the one you are making here. Anyways, I won't sidetrack this anymore, good luck!
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I am afraid I have already declared eternal love for Eve
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On August 09 2011 00:52 karenmcd wrote:Thanks so much for all the positive feedback everyone! :o) Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 21:49 iRaYP wrote:On August 08 2011 20:28 han_han wrote:
If enough women are interested in SC2 and esports, I think it'd be a good idea to start a separate women's league, so that the budding women players don't just get automatically shut out by the veteran male players. After they've had a chance to experience the competitive environment against each other, they'll be battle hardened and ready for the league merging!
For anyone who is going to call me "sexist," or any of those "feminists" who think I'm being chauvinistic, I am only suggesting this in the interests of seeing as many female gamers as there are male gamers some day. Feminism is about equality, and I think to work towards equality, we need to make sure the flame doesn't get stamped out before it has a chance to burn.
Let's face it, there are not many pro female gamers, and any new ones that are up and coming are probably going to be stomped in tourneys (not because they are female, but because they are relatively new) by the guys who have been practicing all day every day for the last year. The problem with my suggestion is that we would need an explosion of female teams in order for a whole new league to be formed =( Female teams like this one are the sparks needed to get girls into e-sports! Really like the Name and Logo , On a related note to the quoted poster, i really hope a womens only league doesn't happen if its for any kind of big prize money(im talking regular MLG prize pool or bigger here). I don't like the idea that inferior players(Im making the assumption that the reason the league would be separate is because of current skill level) could earn more than better player just based on the fact they are female. This also applies to all " discrimination " such as if a tournament where to flat out refuse to allow anybody with a korean passport into the tournament. If its your own $500 tournament, go ahead and do what you like but for big prizes I want it to be the best that win. iRaYP: Thanks so much for the compliment on the logo! wow to your paragraph though! that was really very sexist to say such a thing. Like han_han wrote, it's about equality. There's a WPGA, and for that matter, a women's league in pretty much every sport I can think of... why shouldn't there be in e-sports also, competing for equally lucrative prize pools. Seriously are you living in 2011? or 1911? Equal opportunities for competitive gaming means letting women have their own league if they want it. Later, like han_han said, and the community is more open to it, they can start merging the two for competitive play. That's not to say that we don't have players that can and are willing to compete against male competitors... we do!! All of us are more than happy to kick a guy's butt on the ladder!! on my opinionated post tho... Nobody will ever win the Battle of the Sexes. There's just too much fraternizing with the enemy. ~Henry Kissinger re: clan PMS/H2O Most of us are all friends and have met each other through other social media, forums and on the ladder. I'm sure at some point we'll enter some friendly rivalry, or play against each other in the future for something other than a 2lb chocolate - but we often have to play against our own teammates too, and we still stay friends. Ultimately for me, it's about promoting e-sports as a whole and trying to contribute something to the development of it.
Equal opportunities does NOT mean letting women have their own league if they want it. Equal opportunities means letting both men and women compete in the same league. If we made MLG males only, how upset would you be, tell me that.
And just because sports have done it in the past, doesn't mean it still isn't sexist.
What he said isn't sexist at all. A tournament that limits its participants based on sex should not have the same prize pool as a tournament that is open to members of both sexes.
Also, you can sit here and tell me "Women can't compete in male leagues because of x physical attribute or y mental attribute" Which....Yes, that's true. Men and women ARE different. So the question becomes, if we treat them differently, even if they ARE different...why stop at sports?
Why don't we have offices that can only hire females, or males. Different gender assigned jobs?
Yeah, doesn't sound so fun anymore...maybe we should just treat everyone equally and let people fall where they will
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I always thought it was a bit weird having sports be differentiated based on sex. I mean I guess for some sports that have a lot of contact that'd be awkward but for something like tennis it didn't really make sense. I was hoping with ESPORTS being everything behind a computer it'd change but it's really surprising to see females WILLINGLY get differentiated from males, like there hasn't been a huge battle in the opposite direction for hundreds of years.
Ah well, if you're comfortable with it who am I to judge.
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for a second i thought Warrden was 4KWarden and i was gunna LOL. 
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On August 09 2011 01:04 venge1155 wrote:
Yea other than the distasteful "slag pits" thing this seems cool. I would rather see it more of a community thing than a E-Sports focused thing but that's just me. I know plenty of lady gamers but most of them would rather play than watch so E-Sports falls flat for them. I hope your forums and what not get a lot of visits and discussion!
slag pits = map
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Slag_Pits
but yes, i thought the same thing at first.. lolz - slag means different things everywhere i guess :o)
like yuis said, sign up, stay tuned, and watch for tournies that anyone will be allowed to enter as well as some women only tournies...
also re:slag pits again
stay tuned!! we got great new graphics, sounds and overlays coming for her show - we're so grateful that warrden joined the team and has offered slag pits as part of the deal :o)
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On August 09 2011 01:10 Aberu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 01:04 Duravi wrote:On August 09 2011 00:52 karenmcd wrote:Thanks so much for all the positive feedback everyone! :o) On August 08 2011 21:49 iRaYP wrote:On August 08 2011 20:28 han_han wrote:
If enough women are interested in SC2 and esports, I think it'd be a good idea to start a separate women's league, so that the budding women players don't just get automatically shut out by the veteran male players. After they've had a chance to experience the competitive environment against each other, they'll be battle hardened and ready for the league merging!
For anyone who is going to call me "sexist," or any of those "feminists" who think I'm being chauvinistic, I am only suggesting this in the interests of seeing as many female gamers as there are male gamers some day. Feminism is about equality, and I think to work towards equality, we need to make sure the flame doesn't get stamped out before it has a chance to burn.
Let's face it, there are not many pro female gamers, and any new ones that are up and coming are probably going to be stomped in tourneys (not because they are female, but because they are relatively new) by the guys who have been practicing all day every day for the last year. The problem with my suggestion is that we would need an explosion of female teams in order for a whole new league to be formed =( Female teams like this one are the sparks needed to get girls into e-sports! Really like the Name and Logo , On a related note to the quoted poster, i really hope a womens only league doesn't happen if its for any kind of big prize money(im talking regular MLG prize pool or bigger here). I don't like the idea that inferior players(Im making the assumption that the reason the league would be separate is because of current skill level) could earn more than better player just based on the fact they are female. This also applies to all " discrimination " such as if a tournament where to flat out refuse to allow anybody with a korean passport into the tournament. If its your own $500 tournament, go ahead and do what you like but for big prizes I want it to be the best that win. iRaYP: Thanks so much for the compliment on the logo! wow to your paragraph though! that was really very sexist to say such a thing. Like han_han wrote, it's about equality. There's a WPGA, and for that matter, a women's league in pretty much every sport I can think of... why shouldn't there be in e-sports also, competing for equally lucrative prize pools. Seriously are you living in 2011? or 1911? Equal opportunities for competitive gaming means letting women have their own league if they want it. Later, like han_han said, and the community is more open to it, they can start merging the two for competitive play. That's not to say that we don't have players that can and are willing to compete against male competitors... we do!! All of us are more than happy to kick a guy's butt on the ladder!! on my opinionated post tho... Nobody will ever win the Battle of the Sexes. There's just too much fraternizing with the enemy. ~Henry Kissinger re: clan PMS/H2O Most of us are all friends and have met each other through other social media, forums and on the ladder. I'm sure at some point we'll enter some friendly rivalry, or play against each other in the future for something other than a 2lb chocolate - but we often have to play against our own teammates too, and we still stay friends. Ultimately for me, it's about promoting e-sports as a whole and trying to contribute something to the development of it. I'm not going to argue for that guy's point, but you cannot use physical sports in a comparison to starcraft. The reason there is a WPGA and a women's league in most sports is obviously because of the physical differences between men and women. That is not to say in anyway that having a female starcraft league is a bad thing, best of luck! The physiological differences of women extend to the brain. Do some research, it's true. Their motor skills have differences from ours. Their brains react differently to different stimuli. http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n11/mente/eisntein/cerebro-homens.htmlhttp://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Health/story?id=424260&page=1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans#Brain_and_nervous_systemhttp://www.stanford.edu/~niederle/Gender.pdfThere's some sources for my claims.
differently doesnt prove better or worse at computer games
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GLHF, gals!
Btw...FemFxRogue is imba cute! Hope she ends up being awesome at the game!
-Potential fanboy.
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Nice job, great website and strong roster. Best of luck!
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On August 09 2011 02:04 pHaRSiDE wrote:
Nice job, great website and strong roster. Best of luck!
Strong roster? Did you even check the roster? Two of them are in bronze...
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Haha this seems awesome, best of luck to you all!
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I would be very interested in joining! Let me know if there is anyway.
Good luck.
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Sorry that your thread is trashed by idiots and welcome to the SC2 world, femFx.
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Watch out for juan aka sixjax.major he will almost certainly try to join. FYI he is not female.
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