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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
Coach Lee must be stressed so much right now | ||
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Carbonthief
United States289 Posts
On August 05 2011 10:36 OPL3SA2 wrote: As soon as I deciphered the TSL Puma scenario, I had already figured out that Mr. Lee was a bad person who wanted to make sure that Puma's arrival in the states was not well recieved by foreign fans. he did this by running to the press with lies surrounding puma's departure. This is just more of the same. Much of this just happened to occur before the Puma incident, we are just learning about the specifics now. To the people who feel bad for Mr. Lee - are you really that naive? I agree with this post wholeheartedly. I knew something was wrong when Mr. Lee took it upon himself to attempt to ruin Puma's image. Any other reasonable coach would have released a statement saying they're sad to see their player go but they wish him well in his future. That's the normal, rational response, EVEN IF you were wronged, that is what most people in that position would do, because that's professionalism, and that is how you do business. You don't burn bridges, you don't do anything that might make you out to be a bad guy, you don't want to ever be seen speaking critically, you only want your positive views to be in the public eye. The way he handled the situation was disgustingly vindictive and unprofessional, and I lost all respect for him because of it, and I am not surprised by this new turn of events. | ||
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andrea20
Canada441 Posts
On August 05 2011 13:11 Carbonthief wrote: I knew something was wrong when Mr. Lee took it upon himself to attempt to ruin Puma's image. Any other reasonable coach would have released a statement saying they're sad to see their player go but they wish him well in his future. That's the normal, rational response, EVEN IF you were wronged, that is what most people in that position would do, because that's professionalism, and that is how you do business. You don't burn bridges, you don't do anything that might make you out to be a bad guy, you don't want to ever be seen speaking critically, you only want your positive views to be in the public eye. Actually, sometimes a spade needs to be called a spade. Not that I completely agree with Mr. Lee's reaction, but at least it was honest instead of him trying to act like someone he isn't. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On August 05 2011 13:18 andrea20 wrote: Actually, sometimes a spade needs to be called a spade. Not that I completely agree with Mr. Lee's reaction, but at least it was honest instead of him trying to act like someone he isn't. yeah its really honest to conclude a contract an not pay your players hafter receiving the payment by the sponsors and saying that the sponsors didnt pay jack shit its really honest to call puma out and act like TSL nurtured puma when they didnt even have a real contract and puma wasnt even salaried or anything its really honest to call FD and Trickster lazy and dont pay them because they did not attend to the training when the very reason why FD and Trickster joined that team was that they were promissed a free practicing schedule | ||
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
1. FD and Tester created TSL, along with Lee. They left oGs because they wanted to be lazy. They created TSL because they wanted to be lazy. Lee agreed with this, and created the team with those two. Lee also decided to pay these two. 2. Consequently, Lee could not have or rather should not have expected anything different. They were being lazy, like promised. Is it bad? May be, but not in this context, because it was agreed upon before creation of TSL. Sure, he could have talked to them in a straightforward manner and asked them to leave, but lying, not obliging the contracts, defaming, using their images and all other stuff mentioned in the articles are Lee's mistakes and problems. 3. Particularly disgusting is the fact that Lee mixed his personal PC Cafe business with this. Taking old computers? My God, how dirty is this guy? Lying about wages and expenditures? Truly terrible. Hope Lee crumbles. | ||
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
Doesn't excuse mr lee of course though, he got himself in the mess by signing a shitty contract, he should pay up. Just goes to show you, contracts need to be very specific, should require certain amount of practice at the very least, just like a job requires you to actually work to get paid. | ||
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sc2guy
291 Posts
On August 05 2011 12:11 Arijevska wrote: So moral of this story is: EG = good guys Koreans = hypocrites This is the worst post I have read so far in this thread. I give you the benefit of doubt that you are trying to be funny but fail nonetheless. | ||
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Hermasaurus
54 Posts
On August 05 2011 13:22 farnham wrote: yeah its really honest to conclude a contract an not pay your players hafter receiving the payment by the sponsors and saying that the sponsors didnt pay jack shit its really honest to call puma out and act like TSL nurtured puma when they didnt even have a real contract and puma wasnt even salaried or anything its really honest to call FD and Trickster lazy and dont pay them because they did not attend to the training when the very reason why FD and Trickster joined that team was that they were promissed a free practicing schedule Can you keep going with the honesty analogies? I don't think we understand yet. Also I'm 100% sure that andrea20 was talking about Lee's reaction to Puma, not Lee's image as a whole. But I'm glad you interpreted it as a window to convey your honesty analogies, although it clearly wasn't a proper window. I'm also 100% positive when Coach Lee "nurtured" Puma, it was in the sense of 3 hots a cot, and a practice environment that allowed him to build his SC2 skills which in turn led him to winning a NASL. If we learned one thing in your post and previous ones apart from this, it would be your ill repute towards Coach Lee that you display in every thread at every opportunity. Write a blog. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On August 05 2011 14:07 sc2guy wrote: This is the worst post I have read so far in this thread. I give you the benefit of doubt that you are trying to be funny but fail nonetheless. Obviously he was trolling, but I think it was to make fun of the people who said in the other thread that koreans were based on trust and truthfulness (haha) and North Americans were not. | ||
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On August 05 2011 13:29 Xxavi wrote: From all of this, Coach Lee looks like an asshole and a dick. I sympathized with him in the Puma-EG saga, but little did I know. 1. FD and Tester created TSL, along with Lee. They left oGs because they wanted to be lazy. They created TSL because they wanted to be lazy. Lee agreed with this, and created the team with those two. Lee also decided to pay these two. 2. Consequently, Lee could not have or rather should not have expected anything different. They were being lazy, like promised. Is it bad? May be, but not in this context, because it was agreed upon before creation of TSL. Sure, he could have talked to them in a straightforward manner and asked them to leave, but lying, not obliging the contracts, defaming, using their images and all other stuff mentioned in the articles are Lee's mistakes and problems. 3. Particularly disgusting is the fact that Lee mixed his personal PC Cafe business with this. Taking old computers? My God, how dirty is this guy? Lying about wages and expenditures? Truly terrible. Hope Lee crumbles. ok man, wanting a flexible training schedule != being lazy. You won't even become a entry level progamer by being lazy. You can still have a flexible training schedule and put in a lot of work. FD & Tester are older progamers, some of the first to switch from SC1 from SC2, its understandable for them wanting to have game/live balance at this point. You don't see Nada living in oGs house or adhering the training schedules that other members follow, but he still puts in his time and practice on his own. | ||
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Sogetsu
514 Posts
Good Thing for PuMa, Clide, Rain and Trickster they left TSL Feels bad for the other TSL members, Coach Lee does not seem to be what it were | ||
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insomdapowahouz
Canada58 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On August 05 2011 14:50 insomdapowahouz wrote: tl;dr version? tl;dr: If you cant take 5 minutes of your time to read a few paragraphs, you obviously don't care enough to need a tl;dr version. | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
On August 05 2011 14:20 Hermasaurus wrote: I'm afraid it doesnt mean anything. Puma is a free man to do what he want and so he did. TSL should have had contracts because that's how it works in the rest of the world. Just loom at the commercial world where headhunting is very common. Can you keep going with the honesty analogies? I don't think we understand yet. Also I'm 100% sure that andrea20 was talking about Lee's reaction to Puma, not Lee's image as a whole. But I'm glad you interpreted it as a window to convey your honesty analogies, although it clearly wasn't a proper window. I'm also 100% positive when Coach Lee "nurtured" Puma, it was in the sense of 3 hots a cot, and a practice environment that allowed him to build his SC2 skills which in turn led him to winning a NASL. If we learned one thing in your post and previous ones apart from this, it would be your ill repute towards Coach Lee that you display in every thread at every opportunity. Write a blog. | ||
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IslandLife
21 Posts
That was some pretty strong language in the statement by SC2Con. Koreans take public shame/disgrace EXTREMELY seriously. They wouldn't put that out there with gruesome detail if they weren't fed up with Mr. Lee. It ain't hard to read between the lines and see Mr. Lee is siphoning money off of the team. Rather disgusting really. It scares me that some people are still defending him. | ||
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Hazardous
United States4 Posts
I wouldn't want the same to happen to me or anyone else in a situation similar to this, especially my career path. Hopefully eSports can continue to uphold good morals and demonstrate behavior to be used by rewarding the correct, and punishing the wrong. | ||
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histrionic
United States34 Posts
(note: I'm just going to refer to TSL/CoachLee as TSL. I'm not suggesting the team of players be punished) Ok so TSL has been "expelled" or withdrawn from the SC2Con as the SC2Con said would happen if TSL didn't pay the ordered reparations. What "further measures" can SC2Con really take if they can't enforce these "monetary disciplinary actions" and aren't going to ban/tempban TSL from league play? (I'm not saying they SHOULD ban TSL) Does TSL even really lose anything from withdrawing/being banned from SC2Con (besides losing rep)? I guess I'm mostly questioning the usefulness of this SC2Con if it has no real power. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On August 05 2011 13:22 farnham wrote: yeah its really honest to conclude a contract an not pay your players hafter receiving the payment by the sponsors and saying that the sponsors didnt pay jack shit its really honest to call puma out and act like TSL nurtured puma when they didnt even have a real contract and puma wasnt even salaried or anything its really honest to call FD and Trickster lazy and dont pay them because they did not attend to the training when the very reason why FD and Trickster joined that team was that they were promissed a free practicing schedule Well, according to Mr. Lee the players were not showing up to training for over a month, so yeah. On the one side, you should pay your players if you have a contract with them, but on the other side, should you really pay somebody because of his work contract even though he did not work at all? | ||
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IslandLife
21 Posts
On August 05 2011 15:24 histrionic wrote: It doesn't say if Coach Lee is going to pay those "fines." (note: I'm just going to refer to TSL/CoachLee as TSL. I'm not suggesting the team of players be punished) Ok so TSL has been "expelled" or withdrawn from the SC2Con as the SC2Con said would happen if TSL didn't pay the ordered reparations. What "further measures" can SC2Con really take if they can't enforce these "monetary disciplinary actions" and aren't going to ban/tempban TSL from league play? (I'm not saying they SHOULD ban TSL) Does TSL even really lose anything from withdrawing/being banned from SC2Con (besides losing rep)? I guess I'm mostly questioning the usefulness of this SC2Con if it has no real power. If SC2Con thought Mr. Lee was an okay guy who just made a few mistakes, they wouldn't have released that to the public. I'd say SC2Con released this because they want Mr. Lee out of the business. The teams in SC2Con have to protect their business by trying to keep the public image of SC2 teams clean. I'm sure most of the managers care about their players and the game itself as well. A few sponsors will most likely withdraw now. TSL would dissolve and the players could join other teams or get a new coach who isn't a shyster (hopefully). If you have young kids signing dubious contracts (or not even on contracts...ahem...) it makes court cases difficult, if not impossible. I think SC2Con's approach is rather admirable. It's great they are doing what they can. | ||
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