'TSL expelled from SC2 Conference' - Page 49

On August 05 2011 11:35 Zarahtra wrote:

Ofcourse I've read their comments about it. It's interesting how that's the first thing people question when people disagree with them.

Maybe Lee did play the victim, but now that the dust has settled, I still feel EG was in the wrong poaching Puma like they did. If Puma wanted to leave, he should start talks with a team, else EG should go through the coach/other team management.

On the definition of coach, I feel is also pretty irrelevant. It just says he's a pretty terrible coach, which I'm not arguing against.

Like I said, I feel this is quite irrelevant. Him being a jerk, doesn't automatically change how things went down in the EG situation.

On August 05 2011 02:50 Corvette wrote:
well we cant really say anything till we know what the contracts said

On August 05 2011 12:11 Arijevska wrote:
So moral of this story is:
EG = good guys
Koreans = hypocrites

On August 05 2011 12:24 Primadog wrote:
There's no black and white, there's not even shades of grey. Most people go through life without direction, living from moment to moment without a thought over what guiding principles should be dictating their actions.

The sooner our community realize this, and stop trying to paint every drama with a good/bad side, the less likely we will be drawn into a mob every two weeks.

On August 05 2011 11:12 Zarahtra wrote:

It's not really relevant at all. All the same issues hold true in the EG case. This only shines light on why Puma might've wanted to leave, but EG were still poaching Puma.

There doesn't always need to be 1 good guy and 1 bad guy, Coach Lee being a jerk(I don't really feel he is for holding the wages, but because he lied about the sponsors) doesn't automatically make EG better.

On August 05 2011 12:31 windsupernova wrote:


B-b-but how can I hate if there are no Villains?!

On August 05 2011 11:22 babylon wrote:

The president of this association is StarTale's manager.

Teams not part of the association include WMF, SlayerS, and now TSL. WMF is probably not part of it because it is a KeSPA-sanctioned team, and it would be incredibly awkward for it to be a part of a rival organization, so to speak. Additionally, WMF doesn't really have a "real" SC2 team; all the SC2 players are actually contracted to play WC3 and pretty much dabble in SC2 in their downtime when there aren't WC3 tournaments around for them. (As an aside, yes, Moon still plays WC3. Rumors have been floating around about him playing SC2 full-time now, but that is definitely not true. He's contracted to play WC3 for WMF until sometime next year.)

No idea why SlayerS isn't in it, to be honest, though I've heard tell that they're considered "partners" of the association, whatever that means. Don't know if that's accurate though, so definitely don't quote me on that.

On August 05 2011 12:41 trikshun wrote:

The president is on IM not ST its IMJunwi.

On August 05 2011 11:57 Ziggitz wrote:


What? EG didn't poach Puma, they spoke to him. Coach Lee was the one that claimed that they had signed him before speaking to him which they hadn't. Given the timing of this tribunal and the timing of the EG/TSL drama it was likely known what was going down in TSL by everyone from FriuitDealer and Trickster(tribunals don't exactly pop the day after a dispute is aired, these things take time). Given this, Puma who was offered a salaried contract from EG had to consider players who weren't getting paid and being lied to as well as a very sticky situation regarding the advertising displaying FD and T's images. Meanwhile Lee runs to the presses and outright lies about the situation and plays the victim portraying EG in a bad light.

This notion that EG merely speaking to Puma as being unprofessional is total bullshit. They took absolutely no action besides gauging Puma's interest and agreed that he should go talk to his coach before they proceed any further. It took a long time for Puma to talk to his coach and from the information we're receiving now,(IF it holds to be true) shows that Puma likely didn't have much respect for his coach given the drama that was going down at the time and the fact that he rarely even shows up. The fatherly role facade was shown to be bullshit and the whole circumstances under which the deal seemed to be unethical are likely entirely fabricated.

If your whole argument is going to be "he should have gone to the coach first" without any context or justification as to why it holds any relevance in this specific case or in SC2 in general then I really don't care about your opinion. The context of how and why things went down the way they did is clearly important.

On August 05 2011 11:57 Ziggitz wrote:


What? EG didn't poach Puma, they spoke to him. Coach Lee was the one that claimed that they had signed him before speaking to him which they hadn't. Given the timing of this tribunal and the timing of the EG/TSL drama it was likely known what was going down in TSL by everyone from FriuitDealer and Trickster(tribunals don't exactly pop the day after a dispute is aired, these things take time). Given this, Puma who was offered a salaried contract from EG had to consider players who weren't getting paid and being lied to as well as a very sticky situation regarding the advertising displaying FD and T's images. Meanwhile Lee runs to the presses and outright lies about the situation and plays the victim portraying EG in a bad light.

This notion that EG merely speaking to Puma as being unprofessional is total bullshit. They took absolutely no action besides gauging Puma's interest and agreed that he should go talk to his coach before they proceed any further. It took a long time for Puma to talk to his coach and from the information we're receiving now,(IF it holds to be true) shows that Puma likely didn't have much respect for his coach given the drama that was going down at the time and the fact that he rarely even shows up. The fatherly role facade was shown to be bullshit and the whole circumstances under which the deal seemed to be unethical are likely entirely fabricated.

If your whole argument is going to be "he should have gone to the coach first" without any context or justification as to why it holds any relevance in this specific case or in SC2 in general then I really don't care about your opinion. The context of how and why things went down the way they did is clearly important.

On August 05 2011 12:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:


In the NBA, people get fined heavily just for saying they would like X player on their team. That's called tampering. Regardless of what EG says, it was still them that approached Puma and offered him a deal while he was with another team. It is still considered highly unethical to do such a thing.