EPT'TSL expelled from SC2 Conference' - Page 47
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IAttackYou
United States330 Posts
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Carbonthief
United States289 Posts
On August 05 2011 09:15 Condor Hero wrote: nobody hates puma you moron, it was unprofessional of EG to contact the player first when he clearly was affiliated with a team (TSL paid for his flight and he was clearing representing them at an event with TSL_Puma) Are you honestly trying to tell me that http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=246701 does not constitute a hatred for Puma? | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On August 05 2011 09:23 Angelbelow wrote: NASL flew the players from the top 16 out, not the ind. teams. 500$ is not even enough for 1/4 of the travel for Koreans, 1/3 for Europeans. | ||
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DarkRise
1644 Posts
I knew that there is something going on the team. I mean 4 people leaving at the same month. Now what? How can you call that a coach who visits the team house 1-2 times per month. =/ | ||
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bearhug
United States999 Posts
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OptimusYale
Korea (South)1005 Posts
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pookadin
Australia422 Posts
On August 05 2011 09:44 OptimusYale wrote: So wait...because TSL are out of SC2Con and there are no ramifications for not paying...Im guessing the 2 players aren't getting their money.....lame! What about the money sacrified by Clide and Killer? Looking at this it looks like they were guilted out of that money. They should be compensated.. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On August 05 2011 09:44 OptimusYale wrote: So wait...because TSL are out of SC2Con and there are no ramifications for not paying...Im guessing the 2 players aren't getting their money.....lame! from what i read from OP, it seems that even though TSL has left from the sc2con, they still need to pay the 2 players if they want to avoid any sanctions against them. sanctions such as not being able to participate in the GSL/GSTL. | ||
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AzTec
Canada178 Posts
The way I see it the guys just been trying to run a solid team from the start and basically the whole world is out to get him. I don't think there's anyone else in esports who has had worse luck then him. Also, fuck everyone who jumped ship. Rain and Puma just seem like young guys who have yet to understand the importance of loyalty but Fruitdealer and Tester are way too old for this shit. They're just straight up shady. Jumping ship from oGs, starting TSL, then jumping ship from there too??? I'd never want to do business with either of those guys unless I want them to bail and stab me in the back later. There's no doubt in my mind that coach Lee has his fair share of issues but I really feel like he's got a bum rap. He's stood by his team this whole time and is continuing to try and rebuild TSL even after having his star players fuck him over time and time again. I would love to see any of the dudes who left try to run their own team. | ||
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spybreak
United States684 Posts
On August 05 2011 10:05 AzTec wrote: Anyone else sympathizing with coach Lee a fuck load? The way I see it the guys just been trying to run a solid team from the start and basically the whole world is out to get him. I don't think there's anyone else in esports who has had worse luck then him. Also, fuck everyone who jumped ship. Rain and Puma just seem like young guys who have yet to understand the importance of loyalty but Fruitdealer and Tester are way too old for this shit. They're just straight up shady. Jumping ship from oGs, starting TSL, then jumping ship from there too??? I'd never want to do business with either of those guys unless I want them to bail and stab me in the back later. There's no doubt in my mind that coach Lee has his fair share of issues but I really feel like he's got a bum rap. He's stood by his team this whole time and is continuing to try and rebuild TSL even after having his star players fuck him over time and time again. I would love to see any of the dudes who left try to run their own team. Did you even read the updated OP? | ||
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On August 05 2011 10:05 AzTec wrote: Anyone else sympathizing with coach Lee a fuck load? The way I see it the guys just been trying to run a solid team from the start and basically the whole world is out to get him. I don't think there's anyone else in esports who has had worse luck then him. Also, fuck everyone who jumped ship. Rain and Puma just seem like young guys who have yet to understand the importance of loyalty but Fruitdealer and Tester are way too old for this shit. They're just straight up shady. Jumping ship from oGs, starting TSL, then jumping ship from there too??? I'd never want to do business with either of those guys unless I want them to bail and stab me in the back later. There's no doubt in my mind that coach Lee has his fair share of issues but I really feel like he's got a bum rap. He's stood by his team this whole time and is continuing to try and rebuild TSL even after having his star players fuck him over time and time again. I would love to see any of the dudes who left try to run their own team. yeah poor guy, holding money from players that are supposed to be payed and then lying about it | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On August 05 2011 08:04 GoldenGun wrote: I always knew EG was the good guys. This is my opinion reflected perfectly. Lee just doesn't seem like the most ethical character. | ||
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MetalLobster
Canada532 Posts
On August 05 2011 09:54 pookadin wrote: What about the money sacrified by Clide and Killer? Looking at this it looks like they were guilted out of that money. They should be compensated.. Yea I can't imagine how pissed they must be right now. Unless they get a new coach that can patch things up, I sense TSL disbanding. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
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iansanew
New Zealand86 Posts
yeah... aztec.. not the most informed opinion there. from the updated OP and taking into account how Lee handled Puma leaving... it seems like Lee is one of those shady businessmen trying to get every penny he can without the team noticing. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On August 05 2011 10:22 Tektos wrote: This is my opinion reflected perfectly. Lee just doesn't seem like the most ethical character. To me, they are both like two bad guys trying to kill each other so one would conquer the world  But I would say EG case and this case are separate issue so there's no point comparing them. | ||
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AzTec
Canada178 Posts
On August 05 2011 10:07 spybreak wrote: Did you even read the updated OP? Yeap and I still feel this way. On August 05 2011 10:13 Corrosive wrote: yeah poor guy, holding money from players that are supposed to be payed and then lying about it So says one side, the side that happens to hold all the cards. The ST manager is obviously going to back FD&T and he's the head of the organization holding this hearing to boot, how is that at all fair for TSL? Everything is stacked against Coach Lee in this hearing. The original article outlines it clear as day, BOTH sides are at fault and yet 100% of the blame in this thread is being placed on Coach Lee. I never said he was a saint I said I sympathize with him because it seems like all he gets is hate when he's dealing with the very difficult situation of never seeming to have his players behind him. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
While I'm quite shocked about his actions based on the updated OP, I'm kind of wondering what SangHo, Clide and the other remaining TSL members feel about this new accusations. I'd imagine if they were in the dark about this, and are now finding out about this, they may look to get Lee out or get out themselves. Alternatively, FD and Trickster could have been exaggerating their part of story and the other remaining TSL members don't share their views. I mean it's weird that FD and Trickster had left nearly a month back, but are only now making these accusations. And we haven't heard anything from Clide/SangHo/etc. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
Frankly the only people i feel bad for are Clide and Killer. Both are excellent players that have apparently suffered under subpar management. And as a devout FD fan, I feel bad for FD too because your coach should be the honest person. For all of Coach Lee's accusations of shadiness towards EG, could it be that he is afraid the Puma would defame him? I really think that he is not an admirable person, but one that tried to hide for as long as possible what he was really doing. It makes me sad, because I loved TSL and now its just falling apart | ||
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OPL3SA2
United States378 Posts
This is just more of the same. Much of this just happened to occur before the Puma incident, we are just learning about the specifics now. To the people who feel bad for Mr. Lee - are you really that naive? | ||
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