The IGN Professional League will host their first live event later this year and boast a "over a six figure prize pool", a source close to the IPL revealed today. The tournament will span a four-day period and competitors will be selected through online qualifiers as well as an open bracket at the event. The dates and location have yet to be released, but the venue will be on the East coast.
There will be two new games also. One obvious guess includes HoN. This all adds up to the news from months ago being, if anything, a bit of an understatement.
On August 03 2011 07:14 DannyJ wrote: Unless they really want to get nuts NYC would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too expensive.
you wanna get nuts? lets. get. nuts.
anyway, nyc is quite expensive but as iem shows, it's not completely out of the question. ign is not some small fries operation, so who knows? im excited to see what happens.
On August 03 2011 07:12 lunchforthesky wrote: Giving away that kind of money without inviting Koreans would be wrong and really cheapen the spectacle.
Hopefully they pick a date which is extremely GSL friendly so we can get Nestea/MVP/MC/Losira all coming.
In all fairness its their money, they can give it to who ever they want or invite. It could gain them views from having koreans, or the whole thing could be just a mass GSL invite which could actually lower views.
On August 03 2011 07:12 lunchforthesky wrote: Giving away that kind of money without inviting Koreans would be wrong and really cheapen the spectacle.
Hopefully they pick a date which is extremely GSL friendly so we can get Nestea/MVP/MC/Losira all coming.
In all fairness its their money, they can give it to who ever they want or invite. It could gain them views from having koreans, or the whole thing could be just a mass GSL invite which could actually lower views.
Far more people watch GSL than watched NASL or IPL. You can't really compare it to MLG/Dreamhack because they're weekend events.
There's a shit load of interest in watching just Koreans. Not that this will be just Koreans, it obviously won't.
On August 03 2011 07:12 lunchforthesky wrote: Giving away that kind of money without inviting Koreans would be wrong and really cheapen the spectacle.
Hopefully they pick a date which is extremely GSL friendly so we can get Nestea/MVP/MC/Losira all coming.
In all fairness its their money, they can give it to who ever they want or invite. It could gain them views from having koreans, or the whole thing could be just a mass GSL invite which could actually lower views.
On August 03 2011 06:50 doihy wrote: So heres the question: Will koreans be allowed to enter through online qualifiers?
You mean those players who sacrificed almost everything (meaning social contacts, comfort, and freedom to do whatever they want, whenever they want), moved into a crowded appartment with other players and train masses of hours to persue their dream of perfectioning their game and become a professional gamers?
Hmm. If there are 2 options I seem them having here. Wanting E-Sports to grow around the world, thus allowing Koreans, which could potentially scare away people who would want to qualify otherwise. Or wanting E-Sports to grow in the western side of the world, keeping most Koreans out and potentially hurting their cause. Either way it's a win win. win. imo
On August 03 2011 08:21 Rickilicious wrote: Hmm. If there are 2 options I seem them having here. Wanting E-Sports to grow around the world, thus allowing Koreans, which could potentially scare away people who would want to qualify otherwise. Or wanting E-Sports to grow in the western side of the world, keeping most Koreans out and potentially hurting their cause. Either way it's a win win. win. imo
Banning Koreans does not make esports grow in the west at all, it makes half the viewers immediately not give a crap about your tournament.
On August 03 2011 08:21 Rickilicious wrote: Hmm. If there are 2 options I seem them having here. Wanting E-Sports to grow around the world, thus allowing Koreans, which could potentially scare away people who would want to qualify otherwise. Or wanting E-Sports to grow in the western side of the world, keeping most Koreans out and potentially hurting their cause. Either way it's a win win. win. imo
Banning Koreans does not make esports grow in the west at all, it makes half the viewers immediately not give a crap about your tournament.
I really couldnt care less if they continue to be purely NA and EU. Recently they seem to be one of the only ways to see some home grown talent realistically competing for a peice of a significant prize pool and whilst I understand that the Korean players train their asses off I have much more attatchment to many of the foreigner players and teams.
In other news im really excited to see how they maintain their incredible levels of production at a live event. The IPL stuff has been brilliantly done so far and feels leaps and bounds ahead of the content put out by other leagues and tournaments I've seen. The change from the average stuff a couple years ago to the IPL is pretty incredible
please be in D.C., please be in D.C., please be in D.C.
Hope they bring some koreans. I dont think they make or break a tournament, but a few thrown in there would certainly increase the quality of both the games and competition.
Overall though, sounds like a great event, hope i can attend! :D
On August 03 2011 08:21 Rickilicious wrote: Hmm. If there are 2 options I seem them having here. Wanting E-Sports to grow around the world, thus allowing Koreans, which could potentially scare away people who would want to qualify otherwise. Or wanting E-Sports to grow in the western side of the world, keeping most Koreans out and potentially hurting their cause. Either way it's a win win. win. imo
Banning Koreans does not make esports grow in the west at all, it makes half the viewers immediately not give a crap about your tournament.
agreed
no koreans, no interest
most people after all want to watch best players out there, regardless how those reality checks make foreign players feel
On August 03 2011 08:21 Rickilicious wrote: Hmm. If there are 2 options I seem them having here. Wanting E-Sports to grow around the world, thus allowing Koreans, which could potentially scare away people who would want to qualify otherwise. Or wanting E-Sports to grow in the western side of the world, keeping most Koreans out and potentially hurting their cause. Either way it's a win win. win. imo
Banning Koreans does not make esports grow in the west at all, it makes half the viewers immediately not give a crap about your tournament.
Half or more.
Certainly more than half, according to most polls (including the one on the bottom right).
Not allowing Koreans in would be a massive step in the wrong direction.
On August 03 2011 08:38 HiNoon wrote: please be in D.C., please be in D.C., please be in D.C.
Hope they bring some koreans. I dont think they make or break a tournament, but a few thrown in there would certainly increase the quality of both the games and competition.
Overall though, sounds like a great event, hope i can attend! :D
the code A qualifiers yesterday brought about the same viewers as the IPL this season
Its a pretty tricky question, Koreans, or not Koreans. Also what Koreans? If you always invite the top 5-10 you will see a stomp fest. With some lower players they will still get a good competition (probably better then all foreigners). Then again people want to see the top player, but for a 3rd turn around you can watch gsl for that.
On August 03 2011 07:21 SafeAsCheese wrote: Nobody is complaining about Assembly having 0 americans >_>
Assembly isn't seen as a major event. Also this is different because no one is shunning NA players because of their skills (lol).
Suppose MLG wasnt a major event until Columbus then? American competitors are overfamed, God knows we have alot to thank the american scene for last half a year, but the players.. psss
So excited to see the players that end up competing in such a huge tournament, If there are no Koreans though then it will be extremely less appealing to me personally, just because the Koreans are just so far ahead as shown recently at different tournaments such as NASL and MLG.
On August 03 2011 08:57 Kireak wrote: Its a pretty tricky question, Koreans, or not Koreans. Also what Koreans? If you always invite the top 5-10 you will see a stomp fest. With some lower players they will still get a good competition (probably better then all foreigners). Then again people want to see the top player, but for a 3rd turn around you can watch gsl for that.
Why only GSL though? I personally want to watch every tournament to see the best players that the prize money can attract.
I see no reason for any tournament to intentionally lower the skill level. I mean if you want to run an NA exclusive tournament, then a $5k-$10k total prize pool is more than enough to get the best players you want.
If no Koreans, it mean just minor league and not many people would be interested, But on the other end if there all Koreans in top 10, people would be a bored. I suggest something in between limit koreans invites/qualifiers. And Hope it take place in San Fransisco Bay Area where the IPL Esport headquarters.
On August 03 2011 09:12 Xkalibert wrote: If no Koreans, it mean just minor league and not many people would be interested, But on the other end if there all Koreans in top 10 people would be a bored. I suggest something in between limit koreans invites/qualifiers. And Hope it take place in San Fransisco Bay Area where the IPL Esport headquarters.
If you do it that way then the Koreans that get in will still win all the top spots and it will only look worse because
a) you capped the number of Koreans just to give foreign players a chance b) Koreans still won c) The overall quality of the tournament was weaker
On August 03 2011 08:21 Rickilicious wrote: Hmm. If there are 2 options I seem them having here. Wanting E-Sports to grow around the world, thus allowing Koreans, which could potentially scare away people who would want to qualify otherwise. Or wanting E-Sports to grow in the western side of the world, keeping most Koreans out and potentially hurting their cause. Either way it's a win win. win. imo
Banning Koreans does not make esports grow in the west at all, it makes half the viewers immediately not give a crap about your tournament.
Half or more.
Certainly more than half, according to most polls (including the one on the bottom right).
Not allowing Koreans in would be a massive step in the wrong direction.
Strictly speaking the poll in the bottom right doesnt show that. All it shows is that at present 32% were either put off to a degree or encouraged to a degree by an all Korean final. The way the rest of the poll is worded however does suggest that the bulk of the users selecting these options were of the former sentiment. It does not suggest that the remaining 68% would have a no interest in an event with no Korean entrants. In fact only 34% even suggest a desire to see the Korean players, and this only to the degree that they are accepted as the best players. Further, these 34% dont mention that they would have no interest in the event with no Korean entrants.
Granted, stong Korean players make for excitement but they are not the be all and end all of a good sc2 tournament. I believe that the IPL will make this event extremely well if their online broadcast quality is anything to go by, be it with or without Korean players.
On August 03 2011 07:05 udgnim wrote: really don't see how IGN is creating a sustainable business with their venture into e-sports
NASL has lots of commercials and subscribers
MLG has plenty of different methods of monetizing their event
IGN has what? stream commercials? is IGN trying to set up something similar to MLG?
Lol! Don't worry, IGN knows exactly what it's doing. It's a company, and it won't just throw away money without getting enough advertisement/money in return.
This is exciting for me though, IGN stepping up their game! Hopefully they can keep a high production quality through their transition from taped to live.
On August 03 2011 08:21 Rickilicious wrote: Hmm. If there are 2 options I seem them having here. Wanting E-Sports to grow around the world, thus allowing Koreans, which could potentially scare away people who would want to qualify otherwise. Or wanting E-Sports to grow in the western side of the world, keeping most Koreans out and potentially hurting their cause. Either way it's a win win. win. imo
Banning Koreans does not make esports grow in the west at all, it makes half the viewers immediately not give a crap about your tournament.
Half or more.
Certainly more than half, according to most polls (including the one on the bottom right).
Not allowing Koreans in would be a massive step in the wrong direction.
Strictly speaking the poll in the bottom right doesnt show that. All it shows is that at present 32% were put off to a degree by an all Korean final. It does not suggest that the remaining 68% would have a no interest in an event with no Korean entrants. In fact only 34% even suggest a desire to see the Korean players, and this only to the degree that they are accepted as the best players.
No, it technically does not suggest that, but it's a clear indicator that 68% (on that poll alone, and there were a ton of other polls, worded in many different ways) has no problems with Koreans taking all the top ranks. If they have no problem with that, it only makes sense they will appreciate an event with top players more than they will appreciate an event with a few decent players.
Yeah, in the end a lot of people (myself included) will watch nearly any tournament, especially well produced ones, but it will never have as big of an impact as a real top tournament. Does anybody even remember IPL1 anymore? Even IPL2 (that has some Europeans in) doesn't get that much attention and isn't considered a top level event.
Quality of games will unfortunately come from the skill of players. You won't get high quality games unless koreans are involved whether that means a slaughter-fest or a pure korean top xxx, doesn't matter. As others have said, I wouldn't even take a glance at this tournament unless there was korean participation. I may even be put off if they tried severely capping korean participation (invites are different though).
Let's be honest here. The best games have almost always included at least one korean OR one foreigner who had practiced in Korea.
On August 03 2011 09:12 Xkalibert wrote: If no Koreans, it mean just minor league and not many people would be interested, But on the other end if there all Koreans in top 10 people would be a bored. I suggest something in between limit koreans invites/qualifiers. And Hope it take place in San Fransisco Bay Area where the IPL Esport headquarters.
If you do it that way then the Koreans that get in will still win all the top spots and it will only look worse because
a) you capped the number of Koreans just to give foreign players a chance b) Koreans still won c) The overall quality of the tournament was weaker
I'm not asking for 100% legitimacy, some sacrifice must be make for the growth of western pro players scene so that it doesn't become like BW. BW doesn't have big name western players and with little or no interest from western viewership left. That why I say balance between no Korean vs limited Koreans. No Korean vs unlimited Koreans will lose the interest of a lot of viewership from western viewers who come to cheer mainly for foreigner players. For example, in MLG Anaheim numbers of people tweeted that they lost interests after all foreigners are knocked out and also complain that not many foreigners game were not stream in day3 of Anaheim. Compare that to Street Fighter 4 AE EVO final many people cheers and were hyped because of one American player Latif crushing Japaneses and Koreans to make it into the Final. On the topic of SFIV AE, I think second unnamed game will be SFIV AE along with HON and SC2.
As long as the top NA/EU players are there and GSL isn't on, I will watch. I would actually like to see an event where NA/EU players have a legitimate chance to win some big money.
While I enjoyed MLG Anaheim quite a bit, once it got down to the top 6 being Koreans, I felt like I was watching GSL. MLG needs to not become GSL(NA) and IPL should protect themselves from becoming the third GSL(NA).
Just my opinion and I'm not going to argue over it, but this is how I feel.
On August 03 2011 11:45 LiquidSlick wrote: If IGN doesn't stack the player pool with Koreans and actually supports the players here in the US, I think its a great idea.
Cool, you'll be the only guy watching. Not too interested in seeing Minigun versus Machine in the Ro4 for $100,000.
On August 03 2011 11:45 LiquidSlick wrote: If IGN doesn't stack the player pool with Koreans and actually supports the players here in the US, I think its a great idea.
Cool, you'll be the only guy watching. Not too interested in seeing Minigun versus Machine in the Ro4 for $100,000.
Well said. I too would love to see korean invites, as well the ability for ANYONE to compete in the open, korean or not.
If you think a tournament without GSL players would be a memorable thing to watch, take a look at the IPL Team Arena games from tonight (excluding Kiwi's) and then tell me you would organize your time and take 3-4 days to watch games of that level. Especially if there's GSL or MLG mixed in for the same weekend.
Foreign players do need support, but they need support to be able to train full time and reach the necessary skill level to compete, they don't need tournaments with mediocre competition. This is what HuK, Jinro, Nani, SaSe and Thorzain (and even cArn) are trying to do and foreign players who are serious about the game will follow in their footsteps.
Whatever if Koreans are still excluded I am still not going to watch. Nothing can match the excitement of watching Huk/qxc/IdrA beating Koreans against the odds.
This is cool. All of the IPL stuff I've been able to see has been of stellar production value. Also, their commentators are above average, they try to include extra features outside of games themselves, and their lineups have been good.
On August 03 2011 12:54 ragealot wrote: Whatever if Koreans are still excluded I am still not going to watch. Nothing can match the excitement of watching Huk/qxc/IdrA beating Koreans against the odds.
Sorry dude, but Idra hasn't won a series aganst a Korean since he left GSL. I'm not counting the pool play series against MC since he lost the whole (extended) series 2-4. You're probably better off placing your hopes in Naniwa or tgun tbh
Pretty cool, but echoing what eveyone else is saying, without the Koreans, all these upcoming SC2 tournies feel like its the minor leagues. Hell, I dont really watch any IPL currently, as its just so boring, with the crappier lvl of play.
IGN pro league has very good production value compared to NASL almost flawless in fact. But I watched season 1 NASL despite all it flaws not IGN pro league because NASL has better roster therefore better matches(especially the grand final Puma vs MC).
If there is no Korean i wont bother watching this.
On August 03 2011 06:51 kommunalka wrote: ESPORTS, now with six figure flavor
actually DOTA announced a six figure prize pool already :-)
edit: HYPE
Yeah I'd throw out HoN and throw in DotA. It's gonna be later on in the year, and DotA's setting up to come out pretty soon. Or at least I hope. I trust IceFrog more than I trust S2 games.
As long it's a restricted tournament, there's always the feel that the winners don't really deserve their champion titles, or placing, with the knowledge that there's a large pool of potential winners being barred.
But I agree with everyone else, if koreans werent allowed I wouldn't care to watch it. IPL season 2 so far has been a major disappointment. Few high quality games, bad casters and poor production. But I'm not trying to hate on it, I like what they're trying to do. But so far it's not on a high enough level for me to care about it. Just another minor tournament to fill time as we wait for the next MLG, Dreamhack or the last rounds of GSL.
people complaining about koreans need to stfu koreans have restricted tornements whats wrong with us having a best of the west tornment seriously its nice to see a open qualifiers where we see who is the best forienger
On August 03 2011 21:51 Xelnas wrote: people complaining about koreans need to stfu koreans have restricted tornements whats wrong with us having a best of the west tornment seriously its nice to see a open qualifiers where we see who is the best forienger
Because the level of the games is way lower? The builds and execution aren't as good and I for one have a hard time enjoying games where i know a decent code a/b korean would demolish all the players easily.
On August 03 2011 21:51 Xelnas wrote: people complaining about koreans need to stfu koreans have restricted tornements whats wrong with us having a best of the west tornment seriously its nice to see a open qualifiers where we see who is the best forienger
What restricted tournaments do Koreans have?
GOM even went out of their way to give foreign players a chance to compete in Code A, a tournament that's insanely hard to qualify for, and that guys like DRG and Bomber had to wait several seasons to get in.
On August 03 2011 21:51 Xelnas wrote: people complaining about koreans need to stfu koreans have restricted tornements whats wrong with us having a best of the west tornment seriously its nice to see a open qualifiers where we see who is the best forienger
Because the level of the games is way lower? The builds and execution aren't as good and I for one have a hard time enjoying games where i know a decent code a/b korean would demolish all the players easily.
do you want NA/EU players to play or do you want this to become brood war where only koreans and like 10 foriengers play, without NA/EU torneys then esports will slowly fade away
On August 03 2011 21:51 Xelnas wrote: people complaining about koreans need to stfu koreans have restricted tornements whats wrong with us having a best of the west tornment seriously its nice to see a open qualifiers where we see who is the best forienger
Nothing wrong with people merely stating a valid claim lol
On August 03 2011 21:51 Xelnas wrote: people complaining about koreans need to stfu koreans have restricted tornements whats wrong with us having a best of the west tornment seriously its nice to see a open qualifiers where we see who is the best forienger
Nothing wrong with people merely stating a valid claim lol
i for one enjoy IPL and foriegn games mixed with korean games and i agree mixed torneys improve the foriegn scene esspecially when people like HUK win dream hack/homestory
It's been stated multiple times IPL wants Koreans in their tourney but haven't included them so far due to regional issues, however they are working on it. So seriously stop making useless posts that all say the goddamn thing.
On August 03 2011 21:51 Xelnas wrote: people complaining about koreans need to stfu koreans have restricted tornements whats wrong with us having a best of the west tornment seriously its nice to see a open qualifiers where we see who is the best forienger
Because the level of the games is way lower? The builds and execution aren't as good and I for one have a hard time enjoying games where i know a decent code a/b korean would demolish all the players easily.
do you want NA/EU players to play or do you want this to become brood war where only koreans and like 10 foriengers play, without NA/EU torneys then esports will slowly fade away
The "esports" will fade away if there isn't a high enough level of play anyway. If you can't attract the audience, then there is no justification to throw insane amounts of money into it. Maybe for a year or two, but eventually it'll just implode. Western SC2 is already artificially inflated as it is.
I'd give anything for SC2 to become another Brood War (or at least a worthy sequel) and produce similar quality of games, and it is slowly going there.
On August 03 2011 21:51 Xelnas wrote: people complaining about koreans need to stfu koreans have restricted tornements whats wrong with us having a best of the west tornment seriously its nice to see a open qualifiers where we see who is the best forienger
Because the level of the games is way lower? The builds and execution aren't as good and I for one have a hard time enjoying games where i know a decent code a/b korean would demolish all the players easily.
do you want NA/EU players to play or do you want this to become brood war where only koreans and like 10 foriengers play, without NA/EU torneys then esports will slowly fade away
I want EU/NA players to play if they're near or on the same level as good koreans. I enjoy Huk, Sen and Naniwa but other than that the level of play is just lower. Having the biggest prize pool of any tournament while having none of the best players just makes it less interesting in my opinion.
On August 03 2011 21:51 Xelnas wrote: people complaining about koreans need to stfu koreans have restricted tornements whats wrong with us having a best of the west tornment seriously its nice to see a open qualifiers where we see who is the best forienger
Because the level of the games is way lower? The builds and execution aren't as good and I for one have a hard time enjoying games where i know a decent code a/b korean would demolish all the players easily.
do you want NA/EU players to play or do you want this to become brood war where only koreans and like 10 foriengers play, without NA/EU torneys then esports will slowly fade away
The "esports" will fade away if there isn't a high enough level of play anyway. If you can't attract the audience, then there is no justification to throw insane amounts of money into it. Maybe for a year or two, but eventually it'll just implode. Western SC2 is already artificially inflated as it is.
I'd give anything for SC2 to become another Brood War (or at least a worthy sequel) and produce similar quality of games, and it is slowly going there.
ipl season one brought 32k concurent, sci brings 22k, thats a substantial amount of views, nasl, finals brought 81k which peaked during a forienger match.
On August 03 2011 21:51 Xelnas wrote: people complaining about koreans need to stfu koreans have restricted tornements whats wrong with us having a best of the west tornment seriously its nice to see a open qualifiers where we see who is the best forienger
Koreans don't restrict access at all, they provide foreigners with a house to live in and allow them to bypass Code B. They really couldn't do more to accomodate foreigners.
What's wrong with best of the west is that the players and most of fans consider it worthless as the majority of good players aren't involved.
On August 03 2011 21:51 Xelnas wrote: people complaining about koreans need to stfu koreans have restricted tornements whats wrong with us having a best of the west tornment seriously its nice to see a open qualifiers where we see who is the best forienger
Because the level of the games is way lower? The builds and execution aren't as good and I for one have a hard time enjoying games where i know a decent code a/b korean would demolish all the players easily.
do you want NA/EU players to play or do you want this to become brood war where only koreans and like 10 foriengers play, without NA/EU torneys then esports will slowly fade away
The "esports" will fade away if there isn't a high enough level of play anyway. If you can't attract the audience, then there is no justification to throw insane amounts of money into it. Maybe for a year or two, but eventually it'll just implode. Western SC2 is already artificially inflated as it is.
I'd give anything for SC2 to become another Brood War (or at least a worthy sequel) and produce similar quality of games, and it is slowly going there.
ipl season one brought 32k concurent, sci brings 22k, thats a substantial amount of views, nasl, finals brought 81k which peaked during a forienger match.
It peaks during Puma/MC. And the GSL finals has over 600k Vod Views across the KR/NA site not including live viewers.
On August 03 2011 11:45 LiquidSlick wrote: If IGN doesn't stack the player pool with Koreans and actually supports the players here in the US, I think its a great idea.
Cool, you'll be the only guy watching. Not too interested in seeing Minigun versus Machine in the Ro4 for $100,000.
On August 03 2011 11:45 LiquidSlick wrote: If IGN doesn't stack the player pool with Koreans and actually supports the players here in the US, I think its a great idea.
Cool, you'll be the only guy watching. Not too interested in seeing Minigun versus Machine in the Ro4 for $100,000.
On August 03 2011 11:45 LiquidSlick wrote: If IGN doesn't stack the player pool with Koreans and actually supports the players here in the US, I think its a great idea.
Cool, you'll be the only guy watching. Not too interested in seeing Minigun versus Machine in the Ro4 for $100,000.
Haha well said
except he wouldn't be the only one watching, for IPL season 1 which was only NA, it still got 10k + views. Didn't realize 10k viewers was 1 person :/.
On August 05 2011 06:41 BushidoSnipr wrote: Holy shit. Is this the biggest prize pool for sc2 we've seen?
Unlikely. The GSL super tournament and open seasons boasted almost 100k just to the winner.
And MLG national finals have a prize pool of 120k for SC2.
On the other hand, this IGN event says 6 figures. That could be 100k on the dot and split over 3 games. Really not enough info to tell. But most likely it won't match the GSL ST or GSL open seasons.
Of course they would invite Koreans! Why? Well, they tried to organize tourneys without Koreans, and last time I watched, the stream had 5000-8000 viewers, and the level of the play was atrocious in some of the games, no disrespect.
They probably saw that patriotic "No Koreans" policy is taking them nowhere, and almost every random event is taking over their tourneys in terms of interest. I personally could barely watch IPL until the end of the first season, and that was mostly because they had much better quality stream compared to NASL at the time. Since then, I only watched some time in the second season. After couple of hours, I closed the stream, and never bothered.
It would be cool if these Non-Koreans were developing and improving with these competitions available, but they are not improving that much or that fast. So watching two non-Koreans is really difficult for me, unless it's the very top of the line like Huk or somebody.
PS Just out of interest, right now it is Lalush-Axslav match finishing. The number of viewers is 4230
On August 04 2011 20:23 Netsky wrote: Nice work IGN - love seeing more and more tournaments with larger and larger prize pool.
On August 03 2011 12:02 lunchforthesky wrote:
On August 03 2011 11:45 LiquidSlick wrote: If IGN doesn't stack the player pool with Koreans and actually supports the players here in the US, I think its a great idea.
Cool, you'll be the only guy watching. Not too interested in seeing Minigun versus Machine in the Ro4 for $100,000.
Haha well said
except he wouldn't be the only one watching, for IPL season 1 which was only NA, it still got 10k + views. Didn't realize 10k viewers was 1 person :/.
So less views than combat ex vs deezer on destinys stream.
On August 04 2011 20:23 Netsky wrote: Nice work IGN - love seeing more and more tournaments with larger and larger prize pool.
On August 03 2011 12:02 lunchforthesky wrote:
On August 03 2011 11:45 LiquidSlick wrote: If IGN doesn't stack the player pool with Koreans and actually supports the players here in the US, I think its a great idea.
Cool, you'll be the only guy watching. Not too interested in seeing Minigun versus Machine in the Ro4 for $100,000.
Haha well said
except he wouldn't be the only one watching, for IPL season 1 which was only NA, it still got 10k + views. Didn't realize 10k viewers was 1 person :/.
Season 1 had around 10k+ viewer, but season 2 only has around 7k the last few days even with he addition of EU players, so unless IGN inject some fresh air (Koreans), viewership will continue to fall.
On August 05 2011 13:41 Xxavi wrote: PS Just out of interest, right now it is Lalush-Axslav match finishing. The number of viewers is 4230
No Koreans would be a shame. I don't wanna watch some cheesy or turtle games by NA players. Seriously TvT by non Koreans is just painful to wait for the result. PvZ is a whining party whether infestor OP or Deathballs OP.
So glad to see leagues like NASL and IPL unintentionally compete with eachother. Excited to see another SC2 event coming to America. I hope in the future USA can duel with Europe and have more consistent mega-LAN events YEAR ROUND with bigger prize pools to boot!
On August 05 2011 13:48 tuho12345 wrote: No Koreans would be a shame. I don't wanna watch some cheesy or turtle games by NA players. Seriously TvT by non Koreans is just painful to wait for the result. PvZ is a whining party whether infestor OP or Deathballs OP.
I feel like if we keep inviting Koreans to every stinking tournament it will negate player growth in the foreign scene. Why will players want to emerge only to see Koreans dominate EVERY SINGLE TOURNAMENT ACROSS THE ENTIRE GLOBE?!?!?!?!?!?!!?
On August 05 2011 13:48 tuho12345 wrote: No Koreans would be a shame. I don't wanna watch some cheesy or turtle games by NA players. Seriously TvT by non Koreans is just painful to wait for the result. PvZ is a whining party whether infestor OP or Deathballs OP.
I feel like if we keep inviting Koreans to every stinking tournament it will negate player growth in the foreign scene. Why will players want to emerge only to see Koreans dominate EVERY SINGLE TOURNAMENT ACROSS THE ENTIRE GLOBE?!?!?!?!?!?!!?
How about if you don't invite the Koreans to these events then the level of play will stay low as it is compared to the Korean skill levels.
That way the Korean scene will actually grow bigger than it already is. Inviting the Korean players will force foreigners having to adjust to the Korean play style and additionally work as hard or harder than the Koreans to increase their skill level to compete.
I don't want foreigners to just sit back win some money and fall behind the Koreans. It's already big as it is now and continues to grow bigger every day. We need the foreigners to improve and the only way I see it is by actually playing the Koreans regularly and working as hard as the Koreans are doing.
For an online tournament, I understand the reasoning of not inviting Koreans. I'd imagine it would be a nightmare trying to schedule everyone to play their matches and other reasons.
Glad to see the inclusion of Koreans in at a live event. Here's hoping to the growth of E-Sports in America.
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