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On July 26 2011 09:20 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 09:17 Shiori wrote:On July 26 2011 09:16 aderum wrote:On July 26 2011 09:15 zeru wrote:
Still no apology to milkis? Extremely disappointed. Does he have to apologies for having a different opinion then him and debating that with him? What? he deserves an apology after being accused of dishonest journalism and defamation, to say the least. Well after the information that has come to light, Milikis effectively promulgated and defended outright incorrect information. Maybe not with his translation, but with his decision to appear on Lo3 his side was clear.
What evidence has been presented (aside from AG's word) that Milikis's information is incorrect? I still fail to see how that's dishonest, given that no explanation was made until today (and even today's has gaping holes hidden under the pretty rhetoric).
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On July 26 2011 09:20 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 09:17 Shiori wrote:On July 26 2011 09:16 aderum wrote:On July 26 2011 09:15 zeru wrote:
Still no apology to milkis? Extremely disappointed. Does he have to apologies for having a different opinion then him and debating that with him? What? he deserves an apology after being accused of dishonest journalism and defamation, to say the least. Well after the information that has come to light, Milikis effectively promulgated and defended outright incorrect information. Maybe not with his translation, but with his decision to appear on Lo3 his side was clear.
....What?
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It'll take them 5 more days to write up an essay of an apology for Milkis.
I also fail to see why it matters that PuMa wasn't signed until now. The intention was there and the decision had essentially already been made.
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IMHO #3 is where it went wrong. Just because EG and PuMa thought that PuMa-->Mr. Lee first was a good first step does not mean that Mr. Lee saw it that way.
I've used the marriage analogy that seems more pertinent than usual with regards to Asian culture is that. Lee is proud of PuMa for doing so well that he attracts the attention of EG.
So in a marriage analogy, Lee (The father) is very happy that PuMa (his daughter) found an awesome boyfriend (EG). However, as is some fathers, Lee would have liked it if EG (the boyfriend) asked Lee (the father) for PuMa (the girlfriend)'s hand in marriage.
Does it sound petty, to some sure, but to some people they value think that that gesture is quite important and denotes respect.
I do appreciate that EG has come out and made a statement, better late than never.
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On July 26 2011 09:04 EGalex wrote:We had to work very, very hard to secure the sponsors that we have, and it's not fair to criticize us for being good at getting sponsors, especially when (unlike other teams) we pass most of our sponsorship money on to our players. For the record, I'd like all of you to know that we put a higher percentage of our gross revenue back into player support than almost any other team in the world.
These claims are pretty strong, can you actually support them? What percentage of your gross revenue do you put into player support? What figures do you know of for other teams?
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On July 26 2011 09:22 IcedBacon wrote:
It'll take them 5 more days to write up an essay of an apology for Milkis.
I also fail to see why it matters that PuMa wasn't signed until now. The intention was there and the decision had essentially already been made.
You'll soon learn that some people (i.e. the EG fanbase) are content with technical loopholes rather than genuine respect. I'm curious as to whether anyone actually buys that EG has the utmost respect for Mr. Lee.
I'd still like to know why Mr. Lee going to the press makes you incapable of contacting him. You should have done it for posterity.
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On July 26 2011 09:17 Shiori wrote:
Here's a question: does EG usually go around asking random players at tournaments (who are already affiliated with teams) if they'd like to join? Do they already know if these players have contracts? Do they ever consider making business proposals to management, or do they just go around sniffing for players?
I would like to say you cant read, they dont go round asking playerd "WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN EG?"
They said they were interested in him and then puma asked questions about the team etc and was then also interested. Theres a big difference asking someone to join and showing interest in someone.
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I saw WoC and i think you definitely conveyed your point better here. Also I'm glad you didn't ask any loaded questions  )
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I really hope this reaches the koreans!
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On July 26 2011 09:11 Shiori wrote:
" EG feels that TSL's public reaction to this situation was knee-jerk and unfair. The fact that PuMa spoke with Mr. Lee as the *first* step in this process does not mean that EG disregarded or ignored TSL. EG and PuMa both agreed that PuMa speaking with Mr. Lee would be the best *first step* for the process. EG expected that the next step in the process would involve speaking with Mr. Lee, but EG did not have a chance to do so, due to the fact that Mr. Lee went to the press so quickly after speaking with PuMa."
"EG" should have a policy of approaching teams, not players, because doing anything else is just silly, even if the player is okay with it. You owe it as one organization to another to actually put things through the professional channels. In addition, I don't see how Mr. Lee going to the press "too fast" makes it impossible for you to contact him anyway. In light of this, I consider your entire stance on that matter (the stuff about this being a 'first step) to be utterly retroactive and damage control.
Props for actually making a statement though, even if it was several days late.
I support PuMa, no worries there, but I don't support a lack of professionalism, which is what your pandering to circumstance is.
You sir are..dumb. EG wasn't unprofessional. A statement wasn't late if there wasn't a timeline for a statement to come out by. We just assumed EG would give us a statement...and they didn't have to if they didn't want to. They did. They aren't doing damage control at all. I believe 100% what EG said and obviously the TSL Manager overreacted by going to the press so fast. EG is very professional and handled this situation perfectly and I hope that next time they want a player they approach the PLAYER first just like now. No reason to go to the team if they player talks to the manager before making a decision. It wasn't like EG was stealing them or anything.
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I never liked kespa and always thought they were just some unneeded organization but after this i would like to see kespa come in to sc2 and get things in order.
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Very thorough rebuttal! I feel sorry for the translator who has to translate all of it.
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A smiliar issue happened with the signing of justin wong. These small teams trying to make it by, respond terribly when things don't go their way. Killer and Fruitdealer just left TSL aswell, it would seem their coach isn't doing something right.
What i really want to know is if PuMa will join the EG team house in phoenix, that would be awesome!!
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I feel like it was appropriate to wait until youve actually signed the player to make a statement. Which is exactly what you guys did. Congrats, on the signing look forward to big things from EG.
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On July 26 2011 09:08 Hittegods wrote:
Now if there only was an apology for Milkis...
For or from Milkis?
User was warned for this post
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I've read the entire post. Forgive me if my missed something.
You keep saying that Puma told you the best first step would be for him to contact his coach. Wouldn't the logical first step for you have been to talk to Lee before approaching Puma and communicating EG's interest? Wouldn't have that really have been the proper first step?
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Dislike the implication that anyone who disagrees with him has incorrect "feelings and assumptions", as if you could only possibly have a different opinion if you're overly emotional or flat out wrong. Ok, sure.
Likewise dislike him going on about apologizing to Mr. Lee, just before spending a few thousand new words criticizing his behavior and trying to redirect blame his direction.
Guess it might be too much to ask that Alex simply says, "We screwed up, we're sorry, we meant well and were unfamiliar with Korean traditions."
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I knew the story already from WoC, I still think it's scummy what you guys did, but hey as long as you can sleep at night. What I find even more horrifying is that you don't even bother to apologize to Milkis, who you blasted publicly on your show. If this post does anything it's make me sway even further towards dislike of EG, unfortunately.
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It seems to me like Mr Lee had though that PuMa had already signed a contract when they were talking, so he released him and told playxp that EG had signed him or whatever. Thats where the mixup happened, EG never got a chance to even talk to TSL because PuMa was still talking to Mr. Lee
On July 26 2011 09:25 shavi wrote:
I knew the story already, I still think it's scummy what you guys did, but hey as long as you can sleep at night. What I find even more horrifying is that you don't even both to apologize to Milkis, who you blasted publicly on your show. This post doesn't really change my opinion on EG or you at all, unfortunately.
The only thing i see scummy is blaming milkis for not being journalisticaly responsible. It's fairly clear that Mr Lee went to the press before EG had even had the chance to speak with him.
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On July 26 2011 09:23 echO [W] wrote:
IMHO #3 is where it went wrong. Just because EG and PuMa thought that PuMa-->Mr. Lee first was a good first step does not mean that Mr. Lee saw it that way.
I've used the marriage analogy that seems more pertinent than usual with regards to Asian culture is that. Lee is proud of PuMa for doing so well that he attracts the attention of EG.
So in a marriage analogy, Lee (The father) is very happy that PuMa (his daughter) found an awesome boyfriend (EG). However, as is some fathers, Lee would have liked it if EG (the boyfriend) asked Lee (the father) for PuMa (the girlfriend)'s hand in marriage.
Does it sound petty, to some sure, but to some people they value think that that gesture is quite important and denotes respect.
I do appreciate that EG has come out and made a statement, better late than never.
What bothers me the most is that EG apparently has no policy on this sort of thing. They just sort of ask the player what they think and don't stop to consider that PuMa, however skilled he is, isn't exactly a businessperson and doesn't really know much about player transfers. Shouldn't EG, one of America's foremost teams, know enough to say "wait, that probably isn't the best first step."
All this leads me to believe that all this stuff about there being a contingency plan of 'steps' is completely ad hoc and damage control.
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