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EG signs PuMa, responds to criticism - Page 5

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zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
July 26 2011 00:25 GMT
#81
good to know that all this drama wasnt for nothing and puma did end up signing with EG.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
July 26 2011 00:25 GMT
#82
On July 26 2011 09:21 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 09:20 farvacola wrote:
On July 26 2011 09:17 Shiori wrote:
On July 26 2011 09:16 aderum wrote:
On July 26 2011 09:15 zeru wrote:
Still no apology to milkis? Extremely disappointed.



Does he have to apologies for having a different opinion then him and debating that with him? What?

he deserves an apology after being accused of dishonest journalism and defamation, to say the least.

Well after the information that has come to light, Milikis effectively promulgated and defended outright incorrect information. Maybe not with his translation, but with his decision to appear on Lo3 his side was clear.

What evidence has been presented (aside from AG's word) that Milikis's information is incorrect? I still fail to see how that's dishonest, given that no explanation was made until today (and even today's has gaping holes hidden under the pretty rhetoric).

The insistence that EG's actions during the entire affair amounted to an effective total disregard for the Korean way of doing things, when in fact the reality of the situation was far more complicated, and may have simply amounted to a misunderstanding on an individual bases. In other words, the possibility of the entire situation being a misunderstanding became grossly unlikely to enter public after incorrect details like EG saying that Puma approached them first being repeated over and over.
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Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 10:39:58
July 26 2011 00:25 GMT
#83
Things might have been blown out of proportions, but it still annoys me that people think this is just business. Ignoring cultural differences, I'd argue in any sport this is a pretty big middle finger to the other team. EG is bigger for the apology, but I can't really say I like these kind of shady deals so yeah...

Now the only thing I care about is that EG doesn't ruin PuMa, because then I'll be quite annoyed. Take care of him!

Edit: After rereading this, it's not really an apology. You sir are a master of saying one thing while doing another.
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
July 26 2011 00:25 GMT
#84
The only part I have a problem with is then approaching a player at a tournament. I feel like that is not the correct place for teams to be discussing contract opportunities with players. When a player is suppose to be 100% focused on the tournament, I don't agree with approaching this with this type of discussion.
BlueyD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada437 Posts
July 26 2011 00:25 GMT
#85
You're telling us, four times, that the first step of communication was the "Puma talks to coach Lee" step. What of the "EG talk to Puma" step? That doesn't count as a step, maybe?

I think it's understandable that the TSL coach got angry. Puma wasn't under contract so you had every right to talk to him, but it could've probably been done with more respect to his team.

I wish the first response from EG had been this thread, not the whole ****storm with Milkis...

This said, grats on the signing. EG.Puma for the win!
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PikaXchU
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore379 Posts
July 26 2011 00:26 GMT
#86
When in doubt always blast the messenger, and then pretend nothing happens...
I believe an apology for Milkis is in order here..
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th3_great
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom429 Posts
July 26 2011 00:27 GMT
#87
thanks for your side of the story alex, i hope people can get over the drama and support Puma's future endeavours
did you read the script?
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
July 26 2011 00:27 GMT
#88
I would seriously consider muting EGInControl from a EG perspective because I think that he has brought alot of bad flack towards EG resulting in any bads news being swallowed whole.

Meaning; InControl has made it easy to dislike EG for alot of people, nobody second guesses news about EG at the NASL (which in itself made a poor impression) stealing a player from a Korean team... it just seems like a thing you guys would do and not because I'm judgmental but because that's the impression I've got after so many projects regarding InControl+EG.
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nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
July 26 2011 00:27 GMT
#89
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The only part I have a problem with is then approaching a player at a tournament. I feel like that is not the correct place for teams to be discussing contract opportunities with players


Apparently they were approaching a lot of players. PuMa is just the only one that has bitten so far.
dwillow
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic88 Posts
July 26 2011 00:27 GMT
#90
Poor Milkis :-( working hard for all of us and in the end he gets all the blame :-/ ...
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PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
July 26 2011 00:27 GMT
#91
Finally, now we put this aside.

Go EGPuMa!!!
Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
July 26 2011 00:27 GMT
#92
Honestly, I would have preferred an apology to milkis more than any of the stuff in the OP.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 00:41:25
July 26 2011 00:28 GMT
#93
You say you always go to management first, but I've heard quite the contrary regarding 3-4 other top pros, currently under contracts. The obvious response is that those are just lies/rumors, but I'll just say that I have more trust for my sources than I do for PR personnel. And I don't mean 'gauging interest.' I mean creating interest through offers.

There has been plenty of interaction between Western and Korean professional organizations lately, yet this is the only one where one side seems extremely upset.
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JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
July 26 2011 00:28 GMT
#94
Well at least EG has formally explained their side now but my views of their business morals/ethics remains unchanged. I'm going to post this gain:

When djWheat asked AG on WOC whether in retrospect, would he have contacted the coach directly? He said no.

What I don't understand is why he wouldn't knowing that it is what the coach would've wanted, knowing that doing so would've avoided most of this drama at basically the cost of a couple minutes of his time. For a guy that has preached about EG spending years building infrastructure for e-sports, building ties with the community, you wouldn't even do this? I know "the plan" was to have Puma talk to the coach but when reaching out to players in a unfamiliar environment, at least try to show you care.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
July 26 2011 00:28 GMT
#95
On July 26 2011 09:25 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 09:21 Shiori wrote:
On July 26 2011 09:20 farvacola wrote:
On July 26 2011 09:17 Shiori wrote:
On July 26 2011 09:16 aderum wrote:
On July 26 2011 09:15 zeru wrote:
Still no apology to milkis? Extremely disappointed.



Does he have to apologies for having a different opinion then him and debating that with him? What?

he deserves an apology after being accused of dishonest journalism and defamation, to say the least.

Well after the information that has come to light, Milikis effectively promulgated and defended outright incorrect information. Maybe not with his translation, but with his decision to appear on Lo3 his side was clear.

What evidence has been presented (aside from AG's word) that Milikis's information is incorrect? I still fail to see how that's dishonest, given that no explanation was made until today (and even today's has gaping holes hidden under the pretty rhetoric).

The insistence that EG's actions during the entire affair amounted to an effective total disregard for the Korean way of doing things, when in fact the reality of the situation was far more complicated, and may have simply amounted to a misunderstanding on an individual bases. In other words, the possibility of the entire situation being a misunderstanding became grossly unlikely to enter public after incorrect details like EG saying that Puma approached them first being repeated over and over.

I'm not sure what you read, but not a single one of AG's supposed "misunderstandings" are at all acceptable for a serious organization. Full stop.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 26 2011 00:28 GMT
#96
On July 26 2011 09:26 PikaXchU wrote:
When in doubt always blast the messenger, and then pretend nothing happens...
I believe an apology for Milkis is in order here..


Milkis wasn't even the messenger. PlayXP was the messenger. Milkis was just translating what the messenger said.

If anything, EG should be pissed at PlayXP for putting up the article before Puma was officially signed. Milkis did nothing wrong. If he didn't translate the article, someone else would have.
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stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 00:28:50
July 26 2011 00:28 GMT
#97
This is the perfect response from EG. TSL is in the wrong for what they did, and it is very disrespectful to run to the press like this, instead of figuring out what actually occurred. I'll be looking forward to see EG.Puma's debut.
taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
July 26 2011 00:28 GMT
#98
On July 26 2011 09:27 nvs. wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
The only part I have a problem with is then approaching a player at a tournament. I feel like that is not the correct place for teams to be discussing contract opportunities with players


Apparently they were approaching a lot of players. PuMa is just the only one that has bitten so far.


I also recall Xeris saying its common for teams to approach players that are nearing end of contract in a friendly manner with the whole "if you ever want to talk just call" attitude.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
July 26 2011 00:28 GMT
#99
SK comes to an agreement with oGs over MC and NaDa
coL comes to an agree with MVP over Genius and DRG
Dignitas and ZeNEX come to a mutual agreement, as TanDongHo is going to live in Europe this fall
EG comes to a conclusion with PuMa to join forces, TSL has no knowledge of the transaction


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DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
July 26 2011 00:29 GMT
#100
Having read the OP, the explanation about EG and Puma agreeing to let Puma speak to Mr. Lee first was pretty half-assed or at the very least, a very poor decision on both parties.

The thing is EG shouldn't have spoken to Puma first in the first place.

If EG was interested in another team's player, they should've gone directly to the that team's manager. Then this whole thing wouldn't have happened. You don't speak to a player from another team with any intentions of contraction until you've gone to management. That's just out of respect for the opposing team.

What someone else mentioned, EG might've put forth the wheels in motion for the Korean SC2 scene to develop a Kespa type infrastructure here.
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