EPTEG signs PuMa, responds to criticism - Page 80
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
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Teiwaz
Austria158 Posts
On August 01 2011 02:36 DDie wrote: No, acting like he deserves the heat for making Koreans news acessible(mind you, that's his job) is absurd. I'm not even going to argue about it, just going to drop this.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_the_messenger If it is his "job" then he has to be put responsible for what he does. Compare it to a weapons dealer who sells guns under the counter and then refuses to be responsible for selling a gun to a criminal. EG did nothing wrong during this overhyped community drama. IMO Korean SC2 eSports scene seems to lack some basic business understanding. All this "OMG EG!!! YOU BASTARDZ!!" drama is just bullshit and nothing will change on Korean and foreign SC2 relationship (well, except Korean teams finally making f-ing contracts with their players). | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
Anyways it looks like the TSL coach has a history of overplaying things up in the media and keeping people out of the loop. Withholding money from players, using images still, this guy sounds like a thief. And then when the SC2 con even just fines he, he basically says FU I'm not paying anyone I stole from back, and quits the organization. | ||
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Sandro
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Snaphoo
United States614 Posts
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Bababooey
19 Posts
On August 05 2011 10:51 Snaphoo wrote: Given that TSL just got banned from the SC2 Conference, I'm inclined to side with EG and PuMa on this one. Make that two. | ||
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On August 05 2011 03:30 Teiwaz wrote: If it is his "job" then he has to be put responsible for what he does. Compare it to a weapons dealer who sells guns under the counter and then refuses to be responsible for selling a gun to a criminal. EG did nothing wrong during this overhyped community drama. IMO Korean SC2 eSports scene seems to lack some basic business understanding. All this "OMG EG!!! YOU BASTARDZ!!" drama is just bullshit and nothing will change on Korean and foreign SC2 relationship (well, except Korean teams finally making f-ing contracts with their players). There's a world of difference between translating Korean into English and illegally selling weapons. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On August 05 2011 06:10 Sandro wrote: So what has Puma been doing lately? He didn't qualify for Code A regrettably, I wonder when we'll see him in another tournament. Did he even try? was trying to look for his name on the player list but didnt see it. Probably safe to assume he was there and tried.. | ||
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CarlCaliente
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 05 2011 16:20 Angelbelow wrote: Did he even try? was trying to look for his name on the player list but didnt see it. Probably safe to assume he was there and tried.. I feel like he would have gotten some sort of coverage if he tried. I didn't see his name at all either so I don't think he did. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
I mean is anyone going to apologize, or change their point of view based on the recent TSL revelations? On a side note, I wonder what EG thinks of all of that. Alex? Were you aware of TSL's troubles at all, maybe that's what influenced talking to the player first? | ||
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esre
Ireland109 Posts
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On August 06 2011 21:28 Belial88 wrote: So I suppose with the recent TSL expulsion, everyone realizes they were wrong about EG, and that EG was right? I guess we can't have people doing that though, that would be like, admitting you were wrong, and remembering the (very recent) past. I mean is anyone going to apologize, or change their point of view based on the recent TSL revelations? On a side note, I wonder what EG thinks of all of that. Alex? Were you aware of TSL's troubles at all, maybe that's what influenced talking to the player first? wait, did Puma know about the corruption in his Team TSL at this time? If yes, did he tell that Alex? If yes,.. that would have been very awkward for Alex: He gets attacked from the community while knowing that the TSL coach is a liar and only made him look like an innocent angel, while stealing money from his players. | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
On August 06 2011 21:28 Belial88 wrote: So I suppose with the recent TSL expulsion, everyone realizes they were wrong about EG, and that EG was right? I guess we can't have people doing that though, that would be like, admitting you were wrong, and remembering the (very recent) past. I mean is anyone going to apologize, or change their point of view based on the recent TSL revelations? On a side note, I wonder what EG thinks of all of that. Alex? Were you aware of TSL's troubles at all, maybe that's what influenced talking to the player first? The fact that TSL banned from that SC2 conference does not change the fact that EG handled this whole situation poorly. Considering the EG-TL drama a little while back and how they acted there in comparison to this, and how similar this is to them stealing that CS 1.6 Lineup some time ago. Not to mention how they attacked Milkies who was just doing his job. | ||
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Daniel C
Hong Kong1606 Posts
Journalist...not sure if srs. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
The fact that TSL banned from that SC2 conference does not change the fact that EG handled this whole situation poorly. Considering the EG-TL drama a little while back and how they acted there in comparison to this, and how similar this is to them stealing that CS 1.6 Lineup some time ago. Not to mention how they attacked Milkies who was just doing his job. Stealing implies that it wasn't consensual. As far as I look at it, if the player wants to switch teams, they should be able to (if they aren't under contract, like in Puma's situation). It's ridiculous that you have to appeal to the coach (read: give money to him instead of player) instead. Obviously contracted players are a bit different, but EG asked the player if he was interested, and to talk to his coach. People are making this out like EG stole Puma, but they did'nt. They simply ASKED him if he was interested, and to go talk to his coach about it. Because. You know. It's just SOO FUCKED UP that they would tell the player "hey, we're interested in you, but first talk to your coach" instead of talk to a coach overseas when the player is right there, whos speaks a different language. | ||
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lostmage333
United States28 Posts
Alex's attacks on Milkis during WoC were not justified. From reading Milkis' blog, these attacks affected him greatly. That said, Alex promised an apology. I will be making a separate post regarding Milkis later in the week. For the record, while I stand by the points I made on that subject. So, Alex, I'm going to call you out on this one. If you're fine with lying to the community about this (since that week is long since past), then I'm hard pressed to believe you're being completely truthful in the Puma case, as well as whatever else may happen in the future. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
Although the impression I got was that Milkis was very hostile to Alex, it seemed like there was much more to Milkis than "just the translator". | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 06 2011 21:28 Belial88 wrote: So I suppose with the recent TSL expulsion, everyone realizes they were wrong about EG, and that EG was right? I guess we can't have people doing that though, that would be like, admitting you were wrong, and remembering the (very recent) past. I mean is anyone going to apologize, or change their point of view based on the recent TSL revelations? No. Why would that change anyone's opinion? I don't get it. The EG/Puma thing had little to do with TSL, it had everything to do with how EG approaches "business" in e-sports. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On August 06 2011 21:28 Belial88 wrote: So I suppose with the recent TSL expulsion, everyone realizes they were wrong about EG, and that EG was right? I guess we can't have people doing that though, that would be like, admitting you were wrong, and remembering the (very recent) past. I mean is anyone going to apologize, or change their point of view based on the recent TSL revelations? On a side note, I wonder what EG thinks of all of that. Alex? Were you aware of TSL's troubles at all, maybe that's what influenced talking to the player first? The recent TSL issues had nothing to do with how EG handled this deal. 80 pages in and you don't even understand the basics. | ||
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