EPTEG signs PuMa, responds to criticism - Page 79
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
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DDie
Brazil2369 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:18 Belial88 wrote: He released news to many people who did not have access to it before. Acting like he did nothing is just absolutely absurd. You act like everyone already knew about his article - if it was 'already out' for the Non-Korean speaking community, why did he even bother posting it at all? While I disagree with a lot of what Milkis said on WOC and his viewpoints on the matter, it doesn't really matter. All I'm saying is that he got heat for what he did, and that should've been expected. Doesn't matter how you do it, but when you put something out that reflects negatively on an organization only because it lacks a complete picture, then you're going to get deserved heat for it. The WOC interview, and I listened to it well, but of course maybe I missed something, pretty sure I didn't, seemed pretty straightforward, I didn't find Alex particularly 'bashing' on Milkis besides criticizing what he was doing in a respectful manner. No, acting like he deserves the heat for making Koreans news acessible(mind you, that's his job) is absurd. I'm not even going to argue about it, just going to drop this.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_the_messenger | ||
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BlackOmega
United States26 Posts
To me this is nothing to get to excited about. It's pretty similar to a standard SLAPP (Strategic lawsuit against public participation) lawsuit and accomplishes two major things. 1. It's possible Milkis will think twice about translations involving EG and either not translate them or make sure it's a positive translation. 2. Other commentators in an official or semi-official capacity may also think twice about public negative comments about EG. All standard corporate stuff. | ||
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MurMiLLo
United States260 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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epikAnglory
United States1120 Posts
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
So, for those of you who think I'm typing this from my yacht - I'm not. I'm actually typing this from my one-bedroom apartment. This was a great line, still laughing. Thanks for sharing your side, and big thanks for the tl;dr | ||
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
Because, where I come from, you learn on your first day of work, that in business matter you are never unfriendly. You might talk to the biggest idiot you will ever meet, but you should never ever tell him that. Who knows maybe he wins in the lottery and comes to you with a great offer the next day. So you are alway friendly and non-committal interested to everybody. You never "burn the bridges" or act scummy because there is simply no benefit in that in the long run. That is why it did not really matter whether Puma had a contract with TSL and whether they technically needed to talk to Coach Lee or not. EG knew he had played for TSL on TV. They knew about Korean customs and sentiments. They knew that people would look through their apologies later. And here is where it all comes down, from a business standpoint they made the number one rookie mistake. They acted disrespectful and "burned the bridges" for a very shortsighted goal. All the Korean team managers will probably be very cautious from now on towards EG. All the Korean players will think twice before joining them in fear of public repercussions. And the Korean audience and sponsors view them now in a bad light in general. So to sum it up, for me and almost everyone I know, EG's way of doing business is not at all how "it is done". If you think that you have to behave scummy in business, than you are just a bad businessman, period. | ||
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Zatarra22
United States7 Posts
Granted PuMa didn't have a contract with TSL; however, it is in poor taste to at the same time consider him a free agent. It is smart from a business viewpoint in the short-term. We'll see how it plays in the longterm. | ||
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murkk
Canada154 Posts
The only thing wrong with this EG's reply is how pansy it is. Seriously EG, you're an eSport franchise. Grow a set and simply say you're signing a player who isn't under contract. Congrats PUMA on finally get some financial security and a contract done. I'm sure it's a bit rough living on the edge so to speak. Hopefully you come over to play in the EG house and provide some real competition :-). Grats EG on getting PUMA. Great pickup. Sports in general is a cutthroat business, and to get to the top you need to make bold moves. No need to apologize for giving one of the best players in the world a salary for the first time. | ||
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Drteeth
Great Britain415 Posts
GZ on a job to him, but he will de-skill if he solely trains with his new team. | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On August 02 2011 12:11 Drteeth wrote: If puma trains with EG he will win nothing. GZ on a job to him, but he will de-skill if he solely trains with his new team. Or perhaps he could bring the Korean discipline and organization to the EG team house and help create the strongest foreign team out there. Idra has Korean experience, Incontrol consistently shows the passion for improvement and dedication to all things Esports, Machine is a nice guy, and I'm sure the other EG members are also hungry for success. Keep in mind, prior to the Korean influx, EG did post consistently in the upper area of foreign tournaments. They got potential. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On August 01 2011 17:49 lord_nibbler wrote: My biggest issue with how EG handled all this, is this notion "you guys are being too naive, this is how (good) business is done folks". Because, where I come from, you learn on your first day of work, that in business matter you are never unfriendly. You might talk to the biggest idiot you will ever meet, but you should never ever tell him that. Who knows maybe he wins in the lottery and comes to you with a great offer the next day. So you are alway friendly and non-committal interested to everybody. You never "burn the bridges" or act scummy because there is simply no benefit in that in the long run. That is why it did not really matter whether Puma had a contract with TSL and whether they technically needed to talk to Coach Lee or not. EG knew he had played for TSL on TV. They knew about Korean customs and sentiments. They knew that people would look through their apologies later. And here is where it all comes down, from a business standpoint they made the number one rookie mistake. They acted disrespectful and "burned the bridges" for a very shortsighted goal. All the Korean team managers will probably be very cautious from now on towards EG. All the Korean players will think twice before joining them in fear of public repercussions. And the Korean audience and sponsors view them now in a bad light in general. So to sum it up, for me and almost everyone I know, EG's way of doing business is not at all how "it is done". If you think that you have to behave scummy in business, than you are just a bad businessman, period. So the TSL coach not paying the guy for shit, then getting upset when someone tries to contract him because he wanted to keep the guy for free, is good business? So the TSL coach saying everything was cool to Puma when Puma talked to him, and then went and talked about him behind is back is 'good business'? What part did TSL do that was good business? What bridges did EG burn? If anything, this should be a good thing, that the teams know now better that they need to pay and contract their players if they want to keep them, instead of being scumbags and not paying anything, and then going to the media and lambasting anyone who decides to make a fucking living. jesus christ. And what did EG do that was so bad, exactly? The TSL coach was in the loop. As explained in the post. EG did not do anything wrong, at all. They went up to Puma, said 'hey we're interested in you, here and now, what you just did in that match 5 minutes ago, and this is kind of a spur in a moment thing.' Like wtf are people seriuosly mad at EG for? As for Milkis, Alex was very respectful towards him, and Milkis said quite a few things against Alex on the show. It's not like Alex was just angry towards Milkis for the article, but the comments Milkis made on WOC made it very clear why he put the article out in the way he did, and he wasn't the objective translator he was trying to act like. | ||
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murkk
Canada154 Posts
On August 01 2011 17:49 lord_nibbler wrote: Because, where I come from, you learn on your first day of work, that in business matter you are never unfriendly. The number one thing you should learn on your first day of work is that business is business. Trying to be friends with your competition is both stupid and counter productive. For years TSL had every chance to sign PUMA or keep him happy, and they didn't. Next time they shouldn't be so sloppy. Poor business on their part. | ||
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
On August 03 2011 00:16 murkk wrote: The number one thing you should learn on your first day of work is that business is business. Trying to be friends with your competition is both stupid and counter productive. For years TSL had every chance to sign PUMA or keep him happy, and they didn't. Next time they shouldn't be so sloppy. Poor business on their part. For years? | ||
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purecarnagge
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epikAnglory
United States1120 Posts
On August 03 2011 02:39 purecarnagge wrote: he was a BW pro no? 1) Google StarCraft Puma, track his real name, pick Liquipedia result 2) Google eG/TSL Puma, track his real name, pick Liquipedia 2 result 3) Compare and succeed | ||
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
On July 26 2011 09:12 Dubzex wrote: You are still an asshole for what you said to Milkis. Yup. | ||
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Iberville
Canada207 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
Puma WAS NOT CONTRACTED. He basically just lived in the house and was used as a practice partner. I have no sympathy for TSL for not giving due credit to Puma. And maybe Puma never showed his 'true' skill before, maybe it's impossible for TSL to simply contract everyone in case they win the largest tournament in west out of nowhere. But that's the danger of business, and besides, they could have at least contracted him in some way. And it's not like EG was trying to go behind TSL's back here. They saw Puma rip it up, were impressed, and approached him and expressed interest. It's pretty ridiculous that they see a player they think is awesome, and can't tell him so. They didn't sign any contracts or anything, they just expressed interest, and told him they want to talk to his coach. People are acting like EG did something so horrible, but they did not. They like Puma, and told him, and then told him to talk to the coach. Jesus christ. God forbid they tell the winner of the NASL that they would want him on their team because, you know, he's fucking baller. | ||
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
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