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On July 24 2011 05:47 nalgene wrote:
It would've been physically impossible for him to go to that event without the player pass anyways... so it's not really the team's fault for being unable to do so even if they so wished to?
Eh, theres always a few open spots, I had a player get in one, and I believe Axslav also got into one for the last MLG. So its not impossible, or a waste of time to try and be a late sign up.
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Gramatically speaking OP is still very passive aggressive. Specifically, using the words like "demanded" "threatening" to describe Phoenix's actions.
Instead, OP could have made it much more neutral by using "requested" "asked" "negotiated".
You say you're clearing things up by posting the "truth" but this is still very pro-Reign. And since Phoenix doesn't speak English most likely all we'll ever get it Reign's "neutral (not)" post.
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On July 24 2011 05:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 05:43 ReignFayth wrote:On July 24 2011 05:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On July 24 2011 05:34 farvacola wrote:
I was under the impression that the problem did not lie with sending Phoenix to MLG's in general, only that he demanded to be sent to MLG Anaheim after player passes were unavailable and flight costs became hard to manage. I think you're right I'm just curious how travel/MLGs were never part of the original promise/contract when you are going to bring a Korean to the US. it was, just not MLG Anaheim cuz they were flying him over after anaheim Show nested quote +Phoenix was promised transportation to the United States, plus full rent and living expenses in the Team Reign house. He was also to be given a small allowance once in the United States. All of these points were in his contract.
To clarify, Phoenix was not promised any salary beyond his small allowance. He was also never promised a trip to MLG Anaheim. I took the first part of this quote as a description of the contract: transportation to the US, rent, expenses, allowance. The second part mentions that he was never promised a trip to Anaheim. To most readers this will look like there was no travel in his contract. Is the OP just lacking that info then?
Well I believe it was not guaranteed then, but they would def try to send him
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On July 24 2011 05:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 05:43 ReignFayth wrote:On July 24 2011 05:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On July 24 2011 05:34 farvacola wrote:
I was under the impression that the problem did not lie with sending Phoenix to MLG's in general, only that he demanded to be sent to MLG Anaheim after player passes were unavailable and flight costs became hard to manage. I think you're right I'm just curious how travel/MLGs were never part of the original promise/contract when you are going to bring a Korean to the US. it was, just not MLG Anaheim cuz they were flying him over after anaheim Show nested quote +Phoenix was promised transportation to the United States, plus full rent and living expenses in the Team Reign house. He was also to be given a small allowance once in the United States. All of these points were in his contract.
To clarify, Phoenix was not promised any salary beyond his small allowance. He was also never promised a trip to MLG Anaheim. I took the first part of this quote as a description of the contract: transportation to the US, rent, expenses, allowance. The second part mentions that he was never promised a trip to Anaheim. To most readers this will look like there was no travel in his contract. Is the OP just lacking that info then?
Probably, It also mentioned that they didn't have the paperwork ready for Phoenix in time for Anaheim so that might clear the air there.
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On July 24 2011 05:54 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 05:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On July 24 2011 05:43 ReignFayth wrote:On July 24 2011 05:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On July 24 2011 05:34 farvacola wrote:
I was under the impression that the problem did not lie with sending Phoenix to MLG's in general, only that he demanded to be sent to MLG Anaheim after player passes were unavailable and flight costs became hard to manage. I think you're right I'm just curious how travel/MLGs were never part of the original promise/contract when you are going to bring a Korean to the US. it was, just not MLG Anaheim cuz they were flying him over after anaheim Phoenix was promised transportation to the United States, plus full rent and living expenses in the Team Reign house. He was also to be given a small allowance once in the United States. All of these points were in his contract.
To clarify, Phoenix was not promised any salary beyond his small allowance. He was also never promised a trip to MLG Anaheim. I took the first part of this quote as a description of the contract: transportation to the US, rent, expenses, allowance. The second part mentions that he was never promised a trip to Anaheim. To most readers this will look like there was no travel in his contract. Is the OP just lacking that info then? Well I believe it was not guaranteed then, but they would def try to send him
ya, transportation to US does not equal trip to MLG. i think its perfectly reasonable for the management to say hey we've hit a snag (considering the HUGE amount of problems they still had to get through) and we can not send you to this upcoming MLG.
edit: and it sounds like reign didn't really do their homework on bringing a korean aboard. or else they would have known about the military service, and what it entails.
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On July 24 2011 05:53 StyLeD wrote:
Gramatically speaking OP is still very passive aggressive. Specifically, using the words like "demanded" "threatening" to describe Phoenix's actions.
Instead, OP could have made it much more neutral by using "requested" "asked" "negotiated".
You say you're clearing things up by posting the "truth" but this is still very pro-Reign. And since Phoenix doesn't speak English most likely all we'll ever get it Reign's "neutral (not)" post.
He knows people who know Korean and English and could easily get a post across if he pleased.
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On July 24 2011 05:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 05:34 farvacola wrote:
I was under the impression that the problem did not lie with sending Phoenix to MLG's in general, only that he demanded to be sent to MLG Anaheim after player passes were unavailable and flight costs became hard to manage. I think you're right I'm just curious how travel/MLGs were never part of the original promise/contract when you are going to bring a Korean to the US.
All Reign players have their travel to events covered.
Rent in a house also being fully paid for, plus an allowance is in essence a salary. This is the slightly different approach. The normal player salaries teams give is inadequate to fully support themselves anyway. With this approach it is actually more feasible for players to live from StarCraft 2.
Edit for clarification: We were not able to make the necessary arrangements to get him to Anaheim, but were going to get him to other MLGs once in the US.
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The whole mess is too bad, but it could be way worse TBH. Glad that it seems like it can get sorted out without any huge disruptions or blow-ups.
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personally i think all team related news should be from team managers or a TL mod (with approval from the team itself) only and if anyone else posts it, the user should be banned. pretty dumb that a team has to basically jump on a forum to explain themselves after the community has had time to imagine what's gone on. u get all these team hate comments without the full story.
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On July 24 2011 05:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 05:43 ReignFayth wrote:On July 24 2011 05:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On July 24 2011 05:34 farvacola wrote:
I was under the impression that the problem did not lie with sending Phoenix to MLG's in general, only that he demanded to be sent to MLG Anaheim after player passes were unavailable and flight costs became hard to manage. I think you're right I'm just curious how travel/MLGs were never part of the original promise/contract when you are going to bring a Korean to the US. it was, just not MLG Anaheim cuz they were flying him over after anaheim Show nested quote +Phoenix was promised transportation to the United States, plus full rent and living expenses in the Team Reign house. He was also to be given a small allowance once in the United States. All of these points were in his contract.
To clarify, Phoenix was not promised any salary beyond his small allowance. He was also never promised a trip to MLG Anaheim. I took the first part of this quote as a description of the contract: transportation to the US, rent, expenses, allowance. The second part mentions that he was never promised a trip to Anaheim. To most readers this will look like there was no travel in his contract. Is the OP just lacking that info then?
The OP isn't lacking info, you just misread the OP. I read the OP once and this is what I got from it.
The negotiations did not include phoenix going to Anaheim because he wasn't suppose to be in the states at that time to begin with! Team house isn't ready yet, so he wouldn't have a place to stay. So original contract does include travel expenses to events, just not Anaheim. At the time of negotiations it was never intended for phoenix to go to Anaheim. Everyone agreed and they announced that Phoenix have joined Reign. Some time later Phoenix made some extra requests of him attending Anaheim and that he would need Reign to pay for the expenses. Reign said that is not possible. And now they split.
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On July 24 2011 06:05 Northern_iight wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 05:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On July 24 2011 05:43 ReignFayth wrote:On July 24 2011 05:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On July 24 2011 05:34 farvacola wrote:
I was under the impression that the problem did not lie with sending Phoenix to MLG's in general, only that he demanded to be sent to MLG Anaheim after player passes were unavailable and flight costs became hard to manage. I think you're right I'm just curious how travel/MLGs were never part of the original promise/contract when you are going to bring a Korean to the US. it was, just not MLG Anaheim cuz they were flying him over after anaheim Phoenix was promised transportation to the United States, plus full rent and living expenses in the Team Reign house. He was also to be given a small allowance once in the United States. All of these points were in his contract.
To clarify, Phoenix was not promised any salary beyond his small allowance. He was also never promised a trip to MLG Anaheim. I took the first part of this quote as a description of the contract: transportation to the US, rent, expenses, allowance. The second part mentions that he was never promised a trip to Anaheim. To most readers this will look like there was no travel in his contract. Is the OP just lacking that info then? The OP isn't lacking info, you just misread the OP. I read the OP once and this is what I got from it. The negotiations did not include phoenix going to Anaheim because he wasn't suppose to be in the states at that time to begin with! Team house isn't ready yet, so he wouldn't have a place to stay. So original contract does include travel expenses to events, just not Anaheim. At the time of negotiations it was never intended for phoenix to go to Anaheim. Everyone agreed and they announced that Phoenix have joined Reign. Some time later Phoenix made some extra requests of him attending Anaheim and that he would need Reign to pay for the expenses. Reign said that is not possible. And now they split.
This is a relatively accurate summary.
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no offense to phx but personally feel there is better people out there cough cough Sheth personally think its more phx's fault then RGN's but thats my opinion GL to both phx and RGN
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On July 24 2011 05:57 Mirhi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 05:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On July 24 2011 05:34 farvacola wrote:
I was under the impression that the problem did not lie with sending Phoenix to MLG's in general, only that he demanded to be sent to MLG Anaheim after player passes were unavailable and flight costs became hard to manage. I think you're right I'm just curious how travel/MLGs were never part of the original promise/contract when you are going to bring a Korean to the US. All Reign players have their travel to events covered. Rent in a house also being fully paid for, plus an allowance is in essence a salary. This is the slightly different approach. The normal player salaries teams give is inadequate to fully support themselves anyway. With this approach it is actually more feasible for players to live from StarCraft 2. Edit for clarification: We were not able to make the necessary arrangements to get him to Anaheim, but were going to get him to other MLGs once in the US.
Thanks quoting this to make sure it is read.
On July 24 2011 06:05 Northern_iight wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 05:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On July 24 2011 05:43 ReignFayth wrote:On July 24 2011 05:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On July 24 2011 05:34 farvacola wrote:
I was under the impression that the problem did not lie with sending Phoenix to MLG's in general, only that he demanded to be sent to MLG Anaheim after player passes were unavailable and flight costs became hard to manage. I think you're right I'm just curious how travel/MLGs were never part of the original promise/contract when you are going to bring a Korean to the US. it was, just not MLG Anaheim cuz they were flying him over after anaheim Phoenix was promised transportation to the United States, plus full rent and living expenses in the Team Reign house. He was also to be given a small allowance once in the United States. All of these points were in his contract.
To clarify, Phoenix was not promised any salary beyond his small allowance. He was also never promised a trip to MLG Anaheim. I took the first part of this quote as a description of the contract: transportation to the US, rent, expenses, allowance. The second part mentions that he was never promised a trip to Anaheim. To most readers this will look like there was no travel in his contract. Is the OP just lacking that info then? The OP isn't lacking info, you just misread the OP. I read the OP once and this is what I got from it. The negotiations did not include phoenix going to Anaheim because he wasn't suppose to be in the states at that time to begin with! Team house isn't ready yet, so he wouldn't have a place to stay. So original contract does include travel expenses to events, just not Anaheim. At the time of negotiations it was never intended for phoenix to go to Anaheim. Everyone agreed and they announced that Phoenix have joined Reign. Some time later Phoenix made some extra requests of him attending Anaheim and that he would need Reign to pay for the expenses. Reign said that is not possible. And now they split.
I think you and I are talking about different things. I read everything you read.
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Negotiation issues always suck, but from what I have read Pheonix took this way out of proportion and Reign has to do what they have to do.
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On July 24 2011 05:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 05:43 ReignFayth wrote:On July 24 2011 05:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On July 24 2011 05:34 farvacola wrote:
I was under the impression that the problem did not lie with sending Phoenix to MLG's in general, only that he demanded to be sent to MLG Anaheim after player passes were unavailable and flight costs became hard to manage. I think you're right I'm just curious how travel/MLGs were never part of the original promise/contract when you are going to bring a Korean to the US. it was, just not MLG Anaheim cuz they were flying him over after anaheim Show nested quote +Phoenix was promised transportation to the United States, plus full rent and living expenses in the Team Reign house. He was also to be given a small allowance once in the United States. All of these points were in his contract.
To clarify, Phoenix was not promised any salary beyond his small allowance. He was also never promised a trip to MLG Anaheim. I took the first part of this quote as a description of the contract: transportation to the US, rent, expenses, allowance. The second part mentions that he was never promised a trip to Anaheim. To most readers this will look like there was no travel in his contract. Is the OP just lacking that info then?
I'm thinking the problem laid with the whole Korea to US flight costs; hence why they would send him to MLG once in the US. Also the fact he wanted to go back every 3 months.
Those would be my venture on the major points of contention
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P.S.
@ the people who say what Mirhi has done is unprofessional;
You are the one's that say that EG was unprofessional that they did not announce the signing of PuMa and now you blame Reign for explaining the issue to the community. Sigh.
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Who is the mysterious organization referred to in the OP?
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I feel that each major SCII team should have a clear spokesperson/representative (2 maybe), and they manage all the official posts about/for their teams on this forum, as well as being very active.
Hopefully TL can find/create a way of highlighting these pple as being the official representatives.
Fxoboss, xeris and the col bosses are probably the ones I really recognize off the bat as being sufficiently empowered to represent their respective teams.
I often spend a lot of time trying to figure out how reliable a player/person's statement is about a particular team, or whether is really official in the first place.
It would go a long way to help prevent/reduce e-drama as well as keep things more professional.
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Looks like we need a players union in esports. Let's get some agents in here to start working all this stuff out.
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On July 24 2011 06:21 Deshkar wrote:
I feel that each major SCII team should have a clear spokesperson/representative (2 maybe), and they manage all the official posts about/for their teams on this forum, as well as being very active.
Hopefully TL can find/create a way of highlighting these pple as being the official representatives.
Fxoboss, xeris and the col bosses are probably the ones I really recognize off the bat as being sufficiently empowered to represent their respective teams.
I often spend a lot of time trying to figure out how reliable a player/person's statement is about a particular team, or whether is really official in the first place.
It would go a long way to help prevent/reduce e-drama as well as keep things more professional.
Great idea man.
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