EPTReign and Phoenix Situation - Full Story - Page 11
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Liquid`Nazgul
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Crosswind
United States279 Posts
The approach professionals would do here is: Phoenix and Reign were unable to agree on a contract, so we are going our separate ways. We wish Phoenix the best of luck! Unfortunately, Reign's manager is a bit butthurt over this, and so he wanted to whine about it. Hopefully, in 5 or 6 years we'll have people managing teams who have been trained as, and act like, professionals. -Cross | ||
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TheAlchemist89
160 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:27 Crosswind wrote: I think what we're seeing here is: All of these teams are "run" by pro-gamers. Pro-gamers who are, at most, in their early 30s. Pro-gamers who tend to be a bit under-educated, and a bit hyper-competitive, and it's not surprising at all to me that they're doing a crappy job at public relations. You can tell by the difference between what MLG puts out and what these guys put out - it's just amateur hour over here. The approach professionals would do here is: Phoenix and Reign were unable to agree on a contract, so we are going our separate ways. We wish Phoenix the best of luck! Unfortunately, Reign's manager is a bit butthurt over this, and so he wanted to whine about it. Hopefully, in 5 or 6 years we'll have people managing teams who have been trained as, and act like, professionals. -Cross Pretty much this. Well put. I also think a lot of the progamer teams lack business experience. So it's only natural that it'll take some time for them to find their stride. With all of the cool deals going on lately though, they are definitely maturing in their outlooks, if not their PR ability yet. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:54 iCCup.Diamond wrote: ^ Seriously..... Everyone is whining and crying about companies not making open, clear, and honest statements and yet here were are with one of those and now everyone is like "THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! I DEAMAND TO BE LIED AND MISLEAD TO!!!!!!" Unreal... But it's not the same people.  It's obvious that people have different views when it comes to how teams should approach the public, whether it should be honest, straight up or with a business face on. Those views come into conflict both in the EG case and this, people are still on the opposing sides. The community will never be unanimous about controversial issues like this. There's different (colliding) principles and different visions of how SC2 should ideally look like. | ||
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farvacola
United States18843 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:26 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I see nothing wrong with being open about team-player relationships. However if you post all your internal info in public I hope you are also open about questions about it. What is Reign thinking recruiting a Korean flying him to the US giving him a small allowance, all without the promise of some salary or flying him to MLG's? Is this in any way a feasible agreement where both parties come out for the better? I was under the impression that the problem did not lie with sending Phoenix to MLG's in general, only that he demanded to be sent to MLG Anaheim after player passes were unavailable and flight costs became hard to manage. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
Chatlog: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/6593/asdasdes.jpg) On July 24 2011 05:27 Crosswind wrote: Unfortunately, Reign's manager is a bit butthurt over this, and so he wanted to whine about it. This is where I believe most people are wrong. The statment was a response to desrow released the chatlog where Phoenix said "not money send." This is obviously a shady and vague statement, so RGN just wanted to clear this up. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:34 farvacola wrote: I was under the impression that the problem did not lie with sending Phoenix to MLG's in general, only that he demanded to be sent to MLG Anaheim after player passes were unavailable and flight costs became hard to manage. I think you're right I'm just curious how travel/MLGs were never part of the original promise/contract when you are going to bring a Korean to the US. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I think you're right I'm just curious how travel/MLGs were never part of the original promise/contract when you are going to bring a Korean to the US. It was but ferrying him back and forth overseas for 8 trips a year isn't fiscally reasonable. For Reign anyway. The OP even says he doesn't claim to know the entire in depth story as to why he would have to take a trip to Korea every 3 months and back or otherwise he would be a fugitive. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I think you're right I'm just curious how travel/MLGs were never part of the original promise/contract when you are going to bring a Korean to the US. based on the fact he knew his conscription was coming up you have to wonder why between the 2 of them the subject of the US even came up. although the OP didnt say anything about flight costs its implied that the relationship would of been unworkable in any situation :o On July 24 2011 05:41 Torte de Lini wrote: How come they never announced Fayth retiring from SC2? when did that happen? | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I think you're right I'm just curious how travel/MLGs were never part of the original promise/contract when you are going to bring a Korean to the US. it was, just not MLG Anaheim cuz they were flying him over after anaheim | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:42 turdburgler wrote: based on the fact he knew his conscription was coming up you have to wonder why between the 2 of them the subject of the US even came up. although the OP didnt say anything about flight costs its implied that the relationship would of been unworkable in any situation :o when did that happen? Fayth is here, so he can probably sort it out. Kiwikaki told me in a game we were spectating. Maybe he was just trolling. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:41 Torte de Lini wrote: How come they never announced Fayth retiring from SC2? when did fayth retire? | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:41 Torte de Lini wrote: How come they never announced Fayth retiring from SC2? not that relevent and few care enough for it to be a news I haven't achieved much in SC2 | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:44 ReignFayth wrote: not that relevent and few care enough for it to be a news I haven't achieved much in SC2 I liked you bro ): | ||
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GMonster
686 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:43 ReignFayth wrote: it was, just not MLG Anaheim cuz they were flying him over after anaheim ahh that makes more sense. Didn't see how you could even have a contract that didn't involve travel/mlg involved in America | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:44 ReignFayth wrote: not that relevent and few care enough for it to be a news I haven't achieved much in SC2 reign poker division, fo sho | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:43 ReignFayth wrote: it was, just not MLG Anaheim cuz they were flying him over after anaheim Phoenix was promised transportation to the United States, plus full rent and living expenses in the Team Reign house. He was also to be given a small allowance once in the United States. All of these points were in his contract. To clarify, Phoenix was not promised any salary beyond his small allowance. He was also never promised a trip to MLG Anaheim. I took the first part of this quote as a description of the contract: transportation to the US, rent, expenses, allowance. The second part mentions that he was never promised a trip to Anaheim. To most readers this will look like there was no travel in his contract. Is the OP just lacking that info then? | ||
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Doso
Germany769 Posts
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