Seems like you were trying to do something shady so he gets to stay in USA. Student visas while he isn't in school? Real shady.. I can see why he was uncomfortable to commit to it. You don't want to fuck with US customs.

DarkPlasmaBall

United States46466 Posts

July 24 2011 05:47 GMT

#282

On July 24 2011 02:46 mango_destroyer wrote:
So negotiations didn`t work out. Big deal. I think you put him in too much a negative light.

They were clarifying a leak. Plus, it sounded pretty objective to me.

Phoenix sounded like the immature person in this Reign-Phoenix dialogue, although it wouldn't hurt to hear his side of the story (if he wishes to make a statement) as well.

Regardless, best of luck to both Reign and Phoenix in the future.

Tegin

United States840 Posts

July 24 2011 05:51 GMT

#283

Sucks it didn't work out but Reign made the right decision. Goodluck to both parties in the future!

DarkPlasmaBall

United States46466 Posts

July 24 2011 05:51 GMT

#284

On July 24 2011 13:47 Entropic wrote:

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You might even say that's Genius.

Do either of you have any evidence that it's EG?

I haven't read anything about them trying to snipe or steal players under contract, and they've been around for quite a while, so I wouldn't consider them "budding". You really shouldn't make accusations like that unless you can back up what you say.

Keap

United States214 Posts

July 24 2011 05:51 GMT

#285

Nazgul has the most relevant post in this whole thread. The actual wording of the contract is also is question here. I know esports team managers don't necessarily consult lawyers or anything like that but how do they not consider MLG in a korean-foreigner contract?

So much room for interpretation was left, especially since the contract was never signed. Team Reign should definitely know exactly what's getting itself into before announcing players as part of their team.

reneg

United States859 Posts

July 24 2011 05:58 GMT

#286

On July 24 2011 14:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:

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I feel like it's just the hate train coming in after EG picked up PuMa. I agree, in the fact that i wouldn't consider EG "budding" in any way, shape, or form.

It's unfortunate that it seems like it's not working out w/ Phoenix, but i mean, sometimes things just don't work out. I greatly appreciate the transparency of the entire situation that you've provided with us. I feel like ESPORTS in general can only be strengthened by things like this, even if this didn't have the intended outcome, where Phoenix ended up with you guys. (How's that for a runon sentence).

It's unfortunate that he was demanding to make it to Anaheim, but sometimes people just have ideas of themselves that aren't reasonable, and want things that aren't feasible.

Thanks again for the writeup.

KiLL_ORdeR

United States1518 Posts

July 24 2011 06:08 GMT

#287

Sounds like negotiations fell through and phoenix was never actually on the team. That being said, I don't understand how he could have left, and why it became such a big deal that he did.

aznkukuboi

120 Posts

July 24 2011 10:06 GMT

#288

I took the liberty to read every comment from this thread and I want to give a little bit of my thoughts.

First, Phoenix is of age where he is required to fulfill his military duties. Even back in sc1, we knew pros had to stop for a year or 2 because of these said duties. However, in the states, there isn't this requirement, making it an odd situation since it was never in the contract.

The issue was Reign's contract never included anything that would accommodate Phoenix's military requirements and thus cause a disagreement. I find it harsh that the OP used words like "demanded" and "threatened" because the fact of the matter is, he has to report to Korea for service regardless of what you do. Do you want him to break the law and be considered a "deserter"? The OP sounds like he's saying it's Phoenix's fault. Both parties are at fault. One for Phoenix being such high maintenance with many requirements, and two for Reign not dealing with this in a more professional manner.

I've watched Phoenix stream almost every night, and I think he's genuinely a nice guy. (Slayers Dragon is even more fun to watch since he interacts with his viewers all the time and even adds them on facebook.) Hopefully he joins a team that can meet his needs.

Spades

United States249 Posts

July 24 2011 14:06 GMT

#289

On July 24 2011 14:39 W2 wrote:
Seems like you were trying to do something shady so he gets to stay in USA. Student visas while he isn't in school? Real shady.. I can see why he was uncomfortable to commit to it. You don't want to fuck with US customs.

You cant even apply for a student visa without proof of an accredited schools approval. One option was for Phoenix to take ESL english courses. How was this something shady?

brian568

United States13 Posts

July 24 2011 15:41 GMT

#290

budding organizations....teams secretly signing players, here come the conspiracy theories.

oDDable

United States54 Posts

July 25 2011 14:40 GMT

#291

I have only read the OP, but up until exactly the moment a contract is signed, you are in the negotiation phase.

Dub_doubt

United States86 Posts

July 26 2011 04:37 GMT

#292

He always seemed like a nice dude on his stream but now he comes off as a complete jerk

HydraLF

Hong Kong626 Posts

July 26 2011 04:59 GMT

#293

Well, hes entitled to not sign the contract if he doesn't feel comfortable with the terms, I don't see it as that big of a deal. Its good that he backed out because hes not happy with the terms, than regretting and being unhappy.

Its actually very common for transfer deals to break down right at a very late stage of negotiation.

Though it is probably best to stick with a korean team and win some foreign online tournaments to get your name out there seem the wise thing to do at the moment. Its a bold move to teams to fly a player to US and back every 3 months when theres no guarentee of success with the likes of NaDa, Alicia and MMA to compete against.