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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:52 Torte de Lini wrote: Wait, so we're now criticizing someone for being open and communicative with the community? from the 1 million skype msgs i have, its not exactly transparent. | ||
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GP
United States1056 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:52 Torte de Lini wrote: Wait, so we're now criticizing someone for being open and communicative with the community? Airing dirty laundry for drama =/= being open and communicative. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:52 Torte de Lini wrote: Wait, so we're now criticizing someone for being open and communicative with the community? ^ Seriously..... Everyone is whining and crying about companies not making open, clear, and honest statements and yet here were are with one of those and now everyone is like "THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! I DEAMAND TO BE LIED AND MISLEAD TO!!!!!!" Unreal... | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:52 FXOpen wrote: from the 1 million skype msgs i have, its not exactly transparent. Well I've never doubted FXO before, by all means, be even more open :3 | ||
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ClysmiC
United States2192 Posts
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:48 FXOpen wrote: If someone isn't paying players, it should have blood wiped all over the front page. Its not necessary, until a conclusion is made. No conclusion is made. They are just relying on the community to back them up. No contract was made, therefore, no legal bounds are there. Its an irrelevant thread until "pheonix leaves reign" comes up. Everyone assumed phoenix was part of RGN because nobody knew about him not signing the contract. I also believe this thread was needed to clear up the air surrounding the incident. I dont get why everyone is being fussy here ........RGN simply wanted to clear the air. Im waiting for phoenix's reply but at least this is somewhere to start. | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
One trying to get public backing (fine) and another going (how to react to this). The bottom line is, original thread doesn't belong until conclusion is made.... IT just creates hype and influence and is bad for business. Afterwards no m atter what result, in the end, a sattement can be made, no matter how defammatory. But not until then. Shit still up in the air yo, thus bad business practices. I hope these guys can sort it out and leave the FXO brand out of their crap. | ||
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Lord_J
Kenya1085 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:52 Torte de Lini wrote: Wait, so we're now criticizing someone for being open and communicative with the community? Well, we don't really have any more information than we did before, just their unsubstantiated claims about how contract negotiations progressed--or didn't, as the case may be. Furthermore, making vague allusions to some nebulous "budding organization" meddling with teams is opposite of being open and transparent. Say what you want about the OP, but "being open and communicative with the community" is a serious mischaracterization of it. | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:58 sekritzzz wrote: FxoOpen why dont u just send a PM to the thread starter and tell him to remove your name? I spkoe to both parties involved alrdy. What happens is up to them. | ||
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
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Cerubellum
Denmark58 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:29 FXOpen wrote: I point is neutral in this thread. I point out the FXO statement. If teams want to compete for my players, I say bring it on. On the other hand.. Whats happnened is a mix of doubel promises and fine. It doesnt deserve a thread it deserves a business meeting. This thread in full is a joke. Its just fuelling the drama of the last days. Agreed. The wording in the OP is not neutral at all, despite claiming not being out to assign blame. | ||
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Frozenhelfire
United States420 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:48 FXOpen wrote: If someone isn't paying players, it should have blood wiped all over the front page. Its not necessary, until a conclusion is made. No conclusion is made. They are just relying on the community to back them up. No contract was made, therefore, no legal bounds are there. Its an irrelevant thread until "pheonix leaves reign" comes up. I'm not in the scoop. I personally didn't know if Phoenix was contracted or not. After seeing desRow's conversation with Phoenix where Phoenix says of Reign: "broken promise" and "not money send" it sounds like he was contracted or at least in some sort of deal with Reign. I have to give Phoenix's English some wiggle room. He didn't specifically mention a contract, but it isn't out of the question that he meant contract. This post was necessary because I didn't know the facts. All I knew about Reign is that it announced a player roster a while ago and not much else. I didn't know that a conclusion or contract wasn't made. Going back to your first line I think it was necessary to clear the blood off the front page. There were probably many others who also did not know the facts. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:07 FXOpen wrote: this thread kind of makes me LOL. I have my players under contract. albeit whatever type of contract it is. If someone wnats to talk to my players my name is here there n everywhere feel free. If someone feels their legal duty to undercut me, thats for a court to decide. Although pheonix doing what his is doing is kind of fitting to his persona, I dont believe any law was broken and this thread is unnecessary.. I.e its a defamation thread. If you got a problem with a player, sign them first. Then its easier to deal with the end result. I love you spades (i really do!!!) but this thread sux. Someone was posting trying to spread flames and shit out and about the starcraft 2 community. OP was trying to douse them. Whats the problem? | ||
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rampd
United States58 Posts
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las91
United States5080 Posts
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
Teams are going to have to start realizing that this isn't just a bunch of kids playing a game anymore. Its a legitimate business. Your players are your assets. Contract them. The whole deal kinda sucks for Reign, but I don't feel like Phoenix really did anything wrong. Hopefully it works out for the best for everyone involved. (also, Desrow is such a fucking dick) | ||
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TheAlchemist89
160 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:16 MrBitter wrote: If anything, this is a lesson in how much professional Starcraft is growing. Teams are going to have to start realizing that this isn't just a bunch of kids playing a game anymore. Its a legitimate business. Your players are your assets. Contract them. The whole deal kinda sucks for Reign, but I don't feel like Phoenix really did anything wrong. Hopefully it works out for the best for everyone involved. (also, Desrow is such a fucking dick) This post really sums up where the SC2 eSports scene tends to be heading. Teams will need to contract their assets (players) and deal with PR far more diplomatically.... and players will have to start treating their positions just as seriously. Outing info without a complete story will likely start to hurt players in the future when the backlash starts going in the right direction. Well put Mr. Bitter! | ||
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
On July 24 2011 02:52 Spades wrote: We never intended to post this, but the events that have occured(desrow outing this) forced our hand. We never wanted this to publicly reflect negatively on Phoenix but Desrow made it necessary, and i am quite upset it had to come to this. Desrow should be scolded for leaking it. Way to go desrow. Way to go. Hope you're happy DESROW. Desrow just wanted to be in the highlight cause he isn't good and needs to get his name known somehow. Anyway, I 100% support Reign's decision. Phoenix agreed to the contract but wouldn't sign it. He has no right to negotiate. | ||
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PeZuY
935 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:16 MrBitter wrote: If anything, this is a lesson in how much professional Starcraft is growing. Teams are going to have to start realizing that this isn't just a bunch of kids playing a game anymore. Its a legitimate business. Your players are your assets. Contract them. The whole deal kinda sucks for Reign, but I don't feel like Phoenix really did anything wrong. Hopefully it works out for the best for everyone involved. (also, Desrow is such a fucking dick) MrBitter stole my words! : ( Oh well, but well put anyways=) | ||
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