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Q8_Devil
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom63 Posts
July 23 2011 19:05 GMT
#141
EG should learn from Reign on how to handle conflicts.
Matrix
VTArlock
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1763 Posts
July 23 2011 19:06 GMT
#142
I think the OP was very well put together and did it's best not to portray Phoenix in a negative manner. I'm sure he will find another team in the near future and Reign will find a good replacement.

Unfortunately for all those who disagree with this, sometimes facts need to be released and its difficult to make shit smell like flowers. Some of the things that happened in this situation were not ideal for anyone and they can be spun to both parties disadvantage. Take it for what it is, simply an informative update on the state of what's going on.

GL to Reign, GL to Phoenix

+ Show Spoiler +
Death to Desrow


User was temp banned for this post.
Why?
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
July 23 2011 19:06 GMT
#143
Thanks for the statement seems clear now, its a shame the situation went like this, best of luck team reign.
MorNin
Profile Joined June 2010
United States443 Posts
July 23 2011 19:06 GMT
#144
Seems good that they parted ways, Phoenix probably thought he was hot shit and wanted to be treated like a GSL champion...

Also Teasing is bad (Gives blue balls)... Let us know who this "Budding Organization" is
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
July 23 2011 19:07 GMT
#145
this thread kind of makes me LOL.

I have my players under contract. albeit whatever type of contract it is. If someone wnats to talk to my players my name is here there n everywhere feel free.

If someone feels their legal duty to undercut me, thats for a court to decide.

Although pheonix doing what his is doing is kind of fitting to his persona, I dont believe any law was broken and this thread is unnecessary.. I.e its a defamation thread.

If you got a problem with a player, sign them first. Then its easier to deal with the end result.

I love you spades (i really do!!!) but this thread sux.
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
phANT1m
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
South Africa535 Posts
July 23 2011 19:08 GMT
#146
This is really sad to see, was hoping he would be a key part of Team Reign. Not to seem funny or anything I hope Team Reign finds a new Korean that will join them. Simple reason being the Korean player can show them Korean training routines and things along that line.
Xkalibert
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1404 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 19:12:41
July 23 2011 19:10 GMT
#147
What Phoenix want was not to be out of country more than 3 months because of South Korean Laws and policy to prevent its citizens to dodge military require enlistment. But Reign couldn't deliver because of monetary restraint. So, it's best interest for both parties to part ways, but because of third party (Desrow) break news about the behind the stage event Regin have to come out defend their stand. I feel many people are elevating this into more drama.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
July 23 2011 19:10 GMT
#148
Not a big loss for Reign IMO. Phoenix is neither an elite player nor particularly well known in the community. Honestly this thread is probably the most attention he's ever gotten before.
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
July 23 2011 19:11 GMT
#149
On July 24 2011 04:07 FXOpen wrote:
this thread kind of makes me LOL.

I have my players under contract. albeit whatever type of contract it is. If someone wnats to talk to my players my name is here there n everywhere feel free.

If someone feels their legal duty to undercut me, thats for a court to decide.

Although pheonix doing what his is doing is kind of fitting to his persona, I dont believe any law was broken and this thread is unnecessary.. I.e its a defamation thread.

If you got a problem with a player, sign them first. Then its easier to deal with the end result.

I love you spades (i really do!!!) but this thread sux.


They needed to release this statement because desrow posted a chat log with phoenix saying he was leaving. So many questions were asked that they needed to do this.
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
July 23 2011 19:11 GMT
#150
again the drama queens of TL comes out and overblows a next to nothing story.
Dead girls don't say no.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
July 23 2011 19:12 GMT
#151
I don't get what the purpose of this thread anyways. Phoenix ended up not coming to the USA and joining Reign.. big deal? I don't see why this is a "situation,"

It's not like a bunch of people were posting in the forums "omg did you hear about Reign and Phoenix!!!???111"

Not sure what this thread is for other than to explain a situation that pretty much nobody really cared about
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
July 23 2011 19:12 GMT
#152
On July 24 2011 04:07 FXOpen wrote:
this thread kind of makes me LOL.

I have my players under contract. albeit whatever type of contract it is. If someone wnats to talk to my players my name is here there n everywhere feel free.

If someone feels their legal duty to undercut me, thats for a court to decide.

Although pheonix doing what his is doing is kind of fitting to his persona, I dont believe any law was broken and this thread is unnecessary.. I.e its a defamation thread.

If you got a problem with a player, sign them first. Then its easier to deal with the end result.

I love you spades (i really do!!!) but this thread sux.


Are you going to spill the beans on the "Budding organization" ? :D Inquiring minds want to know and as is common knowledge, drama>professionalism, just ask uncle Rupert.
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
July 23 2011 19:13 GMT
#153
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=246853

[image loading]

Just FYI.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
July 23 2011 19:13 GMT
#154
It's not a defamation thread. Phoenix just had unrealistic expectations for the caliber of player he is (a decent B-teamer korean, but nothing more, nothing less) and for a kind of team Reign is (i.e. they dont have chests filled with 100$ bills like FXO does)

I don't think it's realistic for you to make "demands" of teams and threaten to leave unless you are an absolutely top tier pro like MC or Nestea. Also, it's unrealistic to expect a new team to fly you between countries every 3 months. Hell, some teams are struggling to fly their players within the country to MLGs.

It didn't work out, so w.e. I hope Reign finds a better korean (shouldn't be hard) and I hope Phoenix finds a team.
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
July 23 2011 19:13 GMT
#155
I dont deal with drama. I am a a businesss man. If someone wants to take me on in business let the fun start. I have talked to all parties involved, and no end was achieved. But the end result is, this has nothing to do with FXO and the FXO name shouldnt be in the opening post.

Story ends
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
July 23 2011 19:14 GMT
#156
To the people asking this thread was made to clear up the situation which made reign look terrible posted by desrow in an attempt for more drama i guess.
GrimReefer
Profile Joined March 2011
United States442 Posts
July 23 2011 19:14 GMT
#157
as teams become more and more transparent with their player deals, and shed light on how unprofessional and childish some pro-players act; more players will realize how stupid they look and hopefully begin to act with integrity.
(not directed at phoenix)
You're rapping about homosexuals and Vicodin, I can't sell this sh*t.
Raysalis
Profile Joined July 2010
Malaysia1034 Posts
July 23 2011 19:15 GMT
#158
Well, good luck to Reign and Phoenix. Dont really think its too big of a deal no matter what Desrow has said/post.

What im more interested in is this "budding organisation" :3
:)
Deshkar
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore1244 Posts
July 23 2011 19:16 GMT
#159
VT/Reign is just simply trying to explain itself after desRow copied a post from Reddit, showing how Phoenix claims that he broke apart from Reign due to broken promises.

No big deal.

Though still interested about the budding organization.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
July 23 2011 19:16 GMT
#160
On July 24 2011 03:31 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 03:29 eNtitY~ wrote:
Phoenix sounds like a douche.


No, he sounds like someone who has different priorities and commitments than what Reign expected which is why he didn't sign the contract.

Morals of the Story:

- Make your players sign contracts(Learnt during the Puma situation).

- Make sure your players have signed the contract before you say, "We have X player", because you don't really have that player.

- Eat your vegetables.


- Make sure all your players block all ties with desrow.

I'm really curious as to who has the balls and money to try to snipe players from Reign and FXO, especially as a budding organization. It's like trying to snipe board members of Goldman Sachs or JP Morgan with a small startup company.
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