|
On July 24 2011 03:13 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 03:01 Ezze wrote:On July 24 2011 02:54 arbitrageur wrote:On July 24 2011 02:50 Terranist wrote:
so phoenix burns you guys and you do the unprofessional thing by posting the dirt on TL Mods please ban. Why would they ban? Most people would look at this post and infer the exact same thing. I'm one of them. Whatever happened during negotiations doesn't matter. It's unprofessional to come to TL and post all he dirt. Look at how FXO handled their situation with Sheth. That's how you do it. You don't think FXO could've hurt Sheth's image if they wanted to considering what he did to the team? Can you actually point out what was said about Phoenix to ruin his image? Yes they could have probably just left out some of the details of the negotiations, but they just said what Phoenix wanted from the team to explain why they couldn't accommodate him on the team. When did they actually talk negatively about him? Seriously, please explain, or just quote the OP. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it seems like people who are trying to turn this into some drama filled situation aren't actually saying what is so "bad" about it and I am not seeing it.
Some excerpts from the first couple of paragraphs should be enough to point out RGN's desire to portray Phoenix in a negative light.
--
On July 24 2011 02:43 Mirhi wrote:
It’s not my intent to portray Phoenix in a negative light but it appears necessary to address a few points. I will do my best to leave my personal feelings out of this.
Phoenix refused to sign his contract, despite the rest of the team has signing theirs.
Phoenix also threatened to leave the team unless we met a few demands.
--
Not their intent to hurt his image, but it appears necessary? (based on what doucheRow did?)
Do their best to leave personal feelings out?? (oh boy please don't tell us what you really think!)
He refused to sign, even though all others did!!!
He threatened the team!!!
|
Best of luck to both parties. Hope Reign picks up another good player in his place. Maybe they might think of picking up Sheth?
|
Sounds like a player that simply wanted too much. I don't know. I can't blame RGN for outing this information in the manner that they did, because the information leaked by desRow was pretty aggressive, making it sound like RGN just decided not to pay him, when in fact it was Phoenix's own fault.
Fuck all this drama though, and all the people continuing to drag EG through the mud on issues that don't even relate to them.
|
On July 24 2011 03:22 denzelz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 03:20 Looky wrote:On July 24 2011 03:12 legaton wrote:
It most probably EG. FXOBoss loudly agreed with TLO on his blog on EG, and it seems Sen was also approached during the NASL finals. No wonder why Milkis also frowned -publicly- upon the PUMA situation. This shows a pattern of aggressive -if not appalling- recruitment methods. whats wrong with recruiting players under no contract. sports team do much more with recruiting. heard colleges even bought a player a house to go to their team. Yeah, that's called against the rules according to NCAA. I like how you point to college recruiting, which is another process that can be manipulative and exploitative.
In college basketball, they pay players to ref for large, large amounts of money because it's not directly against the rules, but you're basically being paid a lot more money than you should and you basically do nothing.. But again, in this case, there is/should be no drama.. They couldn't come to terms and that's it. You guys realize that Boss could have done the same thing to Sheth and the thread would have turned into a shitstorm instead of a "Good luck Sheth on your next team" or "Hopefully Sheth continues to perform well"... People are overreacting because of the context in the OP and I wish Mirhi just said a brief statement saying they didn't agree and had to part ways.
|
On July 24 2011 03:20 MadJack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 02:46 mango_destroyer wrote:
So negotiations didn`t work out. Big deal. I think you put him in too much a negative light. As I read (cuz i guess you didnt) the negotiations were over, and thats why he was announced as reign, he should have had sign the contract but he didnt. He is in fault there. Phoenix acted in a very greedy and dispicable way towards Reign, thinking he can say something and then just toy with teams all around and look for the best payer, thats unhonest and thats wrong. Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 02:50 Terranist wrote:
so phoenix burns you guys and you do the unprofessional thing by posting the dirt on TL You are completly wrong sir. Actually this is the professional thing, to inform the public with the truth. I dont think there are press conferences for this stuff in e-sports. You just make a post in the biggest site about the game. Phoenix agreed to something and then backed out, trying to get more, thats wrong, period. And in my personal opinion, phoenix its not among the best koreans players, so i dont know what he was thinking about getting flown back and forth every 3 months, hes not that good to get that kind of treatment. *cough* hes not nestea *cough*
Why are you looking for a good guy/bad guy? This sort of thing happens all the time in business. Both parties verbally agree to the terms, one party re-opens negotiations for one reason or another, and the second party can either continue negotiations or drop the deal. Reign ultimately dropped it. Life goes on.
Between this and the EG/PuMa thing, I'm amazed to see how many TLers are business virgins, so to speak. o_O
|
While this really doesn't strike me as a very big deal (negotiations break down all the time in the business world), the somewhat negative tone of the post and the inclusion of a "mysterious" player stealing organization is going to make this thread much longer and more painful than it needed to be.
|
United States4796 Posts
On July 24 2011 03:24 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 03:21 Wunder wrote:On July 24 2011 03:04 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On July 24 2011 02:57 FrankWalls wrote:
i'm more curious who this budding organization is that is trying to snipe players from reign and fxo Yeah, such a tease. I understand that it's not relevant to the Phoenix story. But there's no reason to keep it secret! Tyler demands information, FEED IT TO HIM Tyler just wants more drama  You know what would be awesome? Just one piece of SC2 news about some deal not working out / players and teams not agreeing where everyone didn't try to demonize one of the sides. Negotations fell through at the last second, that's perfectly normal. Nobody is being "greedy", nobody is being "despicable", nobody is being unprofessional or whatever other terms people are rushing to throw in. Phoenix wanted more then Reign was prepared to offer so he declined to sign, end of story. Too bad for Reign, I hope future efforts to expand work out better!
I don't believe Tyler wants more drama when he asks for the organization. I don't think that's drama necessarily. I could be wrong.
|
What did Desrow do, to make this happen?
|
Is TL turning into TMZ or something?
|
On July 24 2011 03:25 Ezze wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 03:13 Chicane wrote:On July 24 2011 03:01 Ezze wrote:On July 24 2011 02:54 arbitrageur wrote:On July 24 2011 02:50 Terranist wrote:
so phoenix burns you guys and you do the unprofessional thing by posting the dirt on TL Mods please ban. Why would they ban? Most people would look at this post and infer the exact same thing. I'm one of them. Whatever happened during negotiations doesn't matter. It's unprofessional to come to TL and post all he dirt. Look at how FXO handled their situation with Sheth. That's how you do it. You don't think FXO could've hurt Sheth's image if they wanted to considering what he did to the team? Can you actually point out what was said about Phoenix to ruin his image? Yes they could have probably just left out some of the details of the negotiations, but they just said what Phoenix wanted from the team to explain why they couldn't accommodate him on the team. When did they actually talk negatively about him? Seriously, please explain, or just quote the OP. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it seems like people who are trying to turn this into some drama filled situation aren't actually saying what is so "bad" about it and I am not seeing it. Some excerpts from the first couple of paragraphs should be enough to point out RGN's desire to portray Phoenix in a negative light. -- Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 02:43 Mirhi wrote:
It’s not my intent to portray Phoenix in a negative light but it appears necessary to address a few points. I will do my best to leave my personal feelings out of this.
Phoenix refused to sign his contract, despite the rest of the team has signing theirs.
Phoenix also threatened to leave the team unless we met a few demands.
-- Not their intent to hurt his image, but it appears necessary? (based on what doucheRow did?) Do their best to leave personal feelings out?? (oh boy please don't tell us what you really think!) He refused to sign, even though all others did!!! He threatened the team!!!
Desrow's post pretty much created a situation where a full explanation was necessary. If they released it on their own terms, they probably could've gotten away with "Contract negotiations fell through. We \wish Phoenix the best etc" But desrow's screenshots showed some sort of 'broken promises' from phoenix's perspective, so Reign had to explain their side of the story in full.
|
Phoenix sounds like a douche.
|
On July 24 2011 03:28 Jiddra wrote:
What did Desrow do, to make this happen?
Posted a conversation between him and Phoenix on reddit?
|
United States4796 Posts
On July 24 2011 03:28 Jiddra wrote:
What did Desrow do, to make this happen?
http://www.redd.it/ixlat
In short desRow posted this.
|
On July 24 2011 03:29 eNtitY~ wrote:
Phoenix sounds like a douche.
No, he sounds like someone who has different priorities and commitments than what Reign expected which is why he didn't sign the contract.
Morals of the Story:
- Make your players sign contracts(Learnt during the Puma situation).
- Make sure your players have signed the contract before you say, "We have X player", because you don't really have that player.
- Eat your vegetables.
|
I am still a fan of team Reign, never was a fan of phoenix but I do not think less of him for this, as for Desrow shame on him for releasing this early...
|
I just wanted to say, there are players on a number of different teams (well known, top 10 foreigner teams) that don't even have contracts. This is not an abnormal practice.
|
On July 24 2011 03:12 legaton wrote:
It most probably EG. FXOBoss loudly agreed with TLO on his blog on EG, and it seems Sen was also approached during the NASL finals. No wonder why Milkis also frowned -publicly- upon the PUMA situation. This shows a pattern of aggressive -if not appalling- recruitment methods.
Edit: Sorry, my brain farted and i forgot the name of Fanatic's manager: Xeris...
can we get a link to that blog?
|
On July 24 2011 03:35 Mirhi wrote:
I just wanted to say, there are players on a number of different teams (well known, top 10 foreigner teams) that don't even have contracts. This is not an abnormal practice.
It's stupid practice, if isn't abnormal then it says a lot about the state of pro SC2.
|
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Seems like either phoenix read the contract properly, agreed to the terms but later on decided he didn't want to join the team and came out with some unreasonable demands to have a way out, or he didn't read it properly and was overestimating Reign's capability and inclination to accomodate him beyond the initial terms. Either way, what's done is done and hopefully they can both move forward.
|
On July 24 2011 03:36 SiCkO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 03:12 legaton wrote:
It most probably EG. FXOBoss loudly agreed with TLO on his blog on EG, and it seems Sen was also approached during the NASL finals. No wonder why Milkis also frowned -publicly- upon the PUMA situation. This shows a pattern of aggressive -if not appalling- recruitment methods.
Edit: Sorry, my brain farted and i forgot the name of Fanatic's manager: Xeris... can we get a link to that blog?
TLO blog on eg/puma
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=246495
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
