EPTReign and Phoenix Situation - Full Story - Page 9
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Denizen[9]
United States649 Posts
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but I do respect the fact that you know how to draw the line somewhere, no matter how talented a player may be Best of luck to both | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:12 Xeris wrote: I don't get what the purpose of this thread anyways. Phoenix ended up not coming to the USA and joining Reign.. big deal? I don't see why this is a "situation," It's not like a bunch of people were posting in the forums "omg did you hear about Reign and Phoenix!!!???111" Not sure what this thread is for other than to explain a situation that pretty much nobody really cared about An earlier thread made it look like Reign could have been refusing Phoenix something that was in their contract. Admitting the truth helps keep Reign's name out of the mud. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:07 FXOpen wrote: this thread kind of makes me LOL. I have my players under contract. albeit whatever type of contract it is. If someone wnats to talk to my players my name is here there n everywhere feel free. If someone feels their legal duty to undercut me, thats for a court to decide. Although pheonix doing what his is doing is kind of fitting to his persona, I dont believe any law was broken and this thread is unnecessary.. I.e its a defamation thread. If you got a problem with a player, sign them first. Then its easier to deal with the end result. I love you spades (i really do!!!) but this thread sux. This was simply in response to Desrow leaking a message Phoenix said that made it look like Reign wasn't following through on paying the players it signed. It turns out people were believing that, and it would have likely become a big deal had they not made a public announcement. Also how was this defamation? Oh no! Phoenix wanted to be able to travel from Korea to the US quite frequently when Reign couldn't afford it! What a terrible person! Oh wait, it's not a big deal and they just couldn't come to an agreement. I really don't think less of Phoenix for trying to get more out of the deal so he could get what he wants, and I don't see why others do. On July 24 2011 04:12 Xeris wrote: I don't get what the purpose of this thread anyways. Phoenix ended up not coming to the USA and joining Reign.. big deal? I don't see why this is a "situation," It's not like a bunch of people were posting in the forums "omg did you hear about Reign and Phoenix!!!???111" Not sure what this thread is for other than to explain a situation that pretty much nobody really cared about That's because they were fast to respond. People had started to believe that Reign signed players and didn't follow through with their contract, so it is good they stopped it before it spread. I don't understand your criticism. Edit: Also, the other thread that spread misinformation was actually closed due to this response. Having rumor threads being closed and the facts come forward in a timely fashion is actually what we SHOULD want on TL. Otherwise you end up with the EG/Puma situation where it goes on forever without any answered questions. | ||
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
but again, lets just not make this into anythign more than what it is, they couldnt come to an agreement and parted ways. it happens and thats normal. end of story, GL reign and phx! | ||
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Deshkar
Singapore1244 Posts
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Raysalis
Malaysia1034 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:18 Chicane wrote: This was simply in response to Desrow leaking a message Phoenix said that made it look like Reign wasn't following through on paying the players it signed. It turns out people were believing that, and it would have likely become a big deal had they not made a public announcement. Also how was this defamation? Oh no! Phoenix wanted to be able to travel from Korea to the US quite frequently when Reign couldn't afford it! What a terrible person! Oh wait, it's not a big deal and they just couldn't come to an agreement. I really don't think less of Phoenix for trying to get more out of the deal so he could get what he wants, and I don't see why others do. That's because they were fast to respond. People had started to believe that Reign signed players and didn't follow through with their contract, so it is good they stopped it before it spread. I don't understand your criticism. Edit: Also, the other thread that spread misinformation was actually closed due to this response. Having rumor threads being closed and the facts come forward in a timely fashion is actually what we SHOULD want on TL. Otherwise you end up with the EG/Puma situation where it goes on forever without any answered questions. agree. We can just look at the EG-puma situation to see what kind of harm a slow reponse can do | ||
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EliteReplay
Dominican Republic913 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
It seems to me you just used him to promote your team and then forced on him only what was in the contract although he asked for more. You should never have taken him on the team in the first place if what was said in the contract was all you cared for. | ||
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OneStepAbove
United States45 Posts
Considering RGN's Shady past, and how poor their player relations are (remember when they decied to eff over VT?), I am hesitant to believe this as the 'official' way things went down. | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
If teams want to compete for my players, I say bring it on. On the other hand.. Whats happnened is a mix of doubel promises and fine. It doesnt deserve a thread it deserves a business meeting. This thread in full is a joke. Its just fuelling the drama of the last days. | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:12 Xeris wrote: I don't get what the purpose of this thread anyways. Phoenix ended up not coming to the USA and joining Reign.. big deal? I don't see why this is a "situation," It's not like a bunch of people were posting in the forums "omg did you hear about Reign and Phoenix!!!???111" Not sure what this thread is for other than to explain a situation that pretty much nobody really cared about Because another thread was posted (Desrow's post) that made RGN look bad/at fault. They were simply clearing up their name. What's hard to understand about that? With regards to "nobody really caring" about this news, I care. I like RGN, and I like staying abreast of community happenings. | ||
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farvacola
United States18846 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:29 FXOpen wrote: I point is neutral in this thread. I point out the FXO statement. If teams want to compete for my players, I say bring it on. On the other hand.. Whats happnened is a mix of doubel promises and fine. It doesnt deserve a thread it deserves a business meeting. This thread in full is a joke. Its just fuelling the drama of the last days. Hey, when the postings hot, get to posting, amirite? | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:12 Zaphid wrote: Are you going to spill the beans on the "Budding organization" ? :D Inquiring minds want to know and as is common knowledge, drama>professionalism, just ask uncle Rupert. I know "onE" name came to my mind Given the circumstances! Would be funny if it actually came true. | ||
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Denizen[9]
United States649 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:27 OneStepAbove wrote: Considering RGN's Shady past, and how poor their player relations are (remember when they decied to eff over VT?), I am hesitant to believe this as the 'official' way things went down. Shady Past, They are a new team? Eff over VT? THey are VT. It is the same Management with the same star players as VT with some new ones. This is the official response by the manager. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:29 FXOpen wrote: I point is neutral in this thread. I point out the FXO statement. If teams want to compete for my players, I say bring it on. On the other hand.. Whats happnened is a mix of doubel promises and fine. It doesnt deserve a thread it deserves a business meeting. This thread in full is a joke. Its just fuelling the drama of the last days. Ya I agree that teams should be able to compete for players, but I don't understand why responding publicly to the suspicion that they aren't fulfilling contracts doesn't deserve its own thread. If they did not respond publicly then the image of their team would be much worse. If you are suggesting that they should have replied in the other thread, the OP in that thread had information that portrayed Reign negatively (and falsely) so why would they want to continue discussion there, when their response would be buried, and people would continue to see this seemingly negative side to Reign. Just on it's own, announcing that Phoenix will not be part of their lineup anymore seems thread worthy enough to me. I'd say that's about equivalent to a thread announcing a new Korean player joining a team. I do agree they could have gotten away with less details while still getting the point across, but I don't see why being a bit more transparent while not slandering anyone is such a bad thing, as I personally think it is refreshing to see them step forward and just discuss the topic publicly without making it about personal attacks. That is why I am so adamant to defend it, because I feel their response was a good one. Edit: I completely agree with the post below me. | ||
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Frozenhelfire
United States420 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:13 FXOpen wrote: I dont deal with drama. I am a a businesss man. If someone wants to take me on in business let the fun start. I have talked to all parties involved, and no end was achieved. But the end result is, this has nothing to do with FXO and the FXO name shouldnt be in the opening post. Story ends If "drama" starts up that causes people to question the integrity of the business side of your team the thread seems necessary. You probably would have done something similar to this in a more professional manner if it was leaked that FXO wasn't paying players. I agree that it was probably a mistake to do anything with phoenix prior to having a signed contract, but I think this post was necessary. Could Reign have done a better job with the post? Yes, but I like the transparency. I don't see anything defaming about it. To me it reads "We offered X, he wanted Y, we couldn't do Y." | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:42 Frozenhelfire wrote: If "drama" starts up that causes people to question the integrity of the business side of your team the thread seems necessary. You probably would have done something similar to this in a more professional manner if it was leaked that FXO wasn't paying players. I agree that it was probably a mistake to do anything with phoenix prior to having a signed contract, but I think this post was necessary. Could Reign have done a better job with the post? Yes, but I like the transparency. I don't see anything defaming about it. To me it reads "We offered X, he wanted Y, we couldn't do Y." If someone isn't paying players, it should have blood wiped all over the front page. Its not necessary, until a conclusion is made. No conclusion is made. They are just relying on the community to back them up. No contract was made, therefore, no legal bounds are there. Its an irrelevant thread until "pheonix leaves reign" comes up. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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