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FiLmBoT
Profile Joined June 2011
United States107 Posts
July 23 2011 08:36 GMT
#961
Maybe a korean team took sheth in trade for puma 0.o
Willeren
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark15 Posts
July 23 2011 09:01 GMT
#962
Now it's only qxc who knows how to play on FXO, sad.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
July 23 2011 09:18 GMT
#963
Called it, well somewhat.
Sheth doesn't want to train abroad, so there's no way he'd join his team in malasia,
which FXO tries to make its focal point.
Zulueta
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany28 Posts
July 23 2011 09:29 GMT
#964
ah no!

manner up guys! hope that Sheth will find a new home soon
Yip12343
Profile Joined December 2010
120 Posts
July 23 2011 09:33 GMT
#965
Good luck to FXO and Sheth Hope both have sensational futures
Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
July 23 2011 10:35 GMT
#966
Sad story
Comfort from bottles, cheers from beers the guitars are our weapons and we know how to kill!
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
July 23 2011 12:13 GMT
#967
Pretty sad

Good luck to both FXO and Sheth in the future!
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
McGuire72
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada140 Posts
July 23 2011 12:59 GMT
#968
On July 23 2011 12:56 AimForTheBushes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 05:29 McGuire72 wrote:
On July 23 2011 03:20 encryptedamf wrote:
On July 23 2011 03:07 McGuire72 wrote:


Calling him fat or questioning his "devotion" to a team because he didn't wanna die in a progaming sweatshop in Asia is moronic.
.


your a little racist don't you think? shit like this makes me embarrassed when Koreans come to our site and have to read shit like that.... degrading an efficient way of training. I bet in "real" sweat shops they dont even have beds to sleep on, nor food to eat.. ignorant.




Dude, I don't call it a sweatshop because I hate the people, or because that's the "norm" in Korea. I call it a sweatshop because, from what I've seen in the Artosis tours, these progaming houses are freaking gaming SWEATSHOPS. These guys train 12 hours a day in tight conditions, sleeping on single-mattress bunk beds like a bunch of children. Sure, guys like MC and Nestea are VERY well-compensated for their time, but imagine being one of the sub-Code-A players just trying to make a name for himself, and making next to no money for the extreme devotions of time and effort made toward the game. Some of these kids are like 14 and 15 years old, "working" 12 hour days in confined spaces for little to no pay. That's a sweatshop dude!

Now the obvious counter-argument is that these kids are all chasing their dreams, trying to live out the "glamourous" life of a progamer, touring around from tournament to tournament and raking in big cheques. Ok, cool, if that's their perogative and goal in life, then they should go for it! More power to them. But you can't sit around in the comfort of your home and fault a guy like Sheth for not wanting any part of that. I love SC2, and I sure as hell wouldn't want any part of that! Sheth clearly enjoys eating his mom's home cooking, relaxing on the couch, and making a modest living playing SC2. Just because he doesn't want to live his life in a pro-house doesn't give you or anyone else the right to judge, let alone insult, him.


I think you really need to step back and think about what a sweatshop is..and then compare that to what us adults call "jobs"..and then compare that to what a pro-gaming house is. Two of the three are ways that people earn a living, by doing things they really would rather not do, for the most part. The 3rd is a place where kids can get all their needs provided for, for free, while earning money on the side.

Are pro-gaming houses lavish mansions with incredible amenities? Of course not. Are they any worse than your normal college fraternity where you share a rack room (where all the bunk beds are) with 50 other guys? In most cases, no. Gaming houses are very utilitarian, and efficient for what they're meant to be. The players basically have no responsibility to provide for themselves, they only have to be responsible enough to practice playing video games for the majority of a day. What a brutal life. I'm sure we're only months away from the 3AM Sarah McLachlan TV ad for "Adopt/Save a starving gamer"..right?


I have a great job. I work full-time, and play SC2 in my spare time. That's why I'm comfortable criticizing progaming houses for being exploitative of their "employees." Look at the PuMa situation, as a recent example. They basically weren't paying the guy for the work he was doing. Sweatshop.

No, people aren't FORCED to play in the progaming houses, but people aren't generally forced to work in sweatshops, except out of necessity. And you may say, "well, these gamers do this out of passion, not necessity," to which I would respond: How do you know that? FruitDealer, for one, openly admits that he took to progaming as a way to provide for his family; his mother, literally, was a "fruit dealer" on the streets, and his family was very poor. How do you know this isn't the norm?

I've been through university , and lived in residence. Yes, the spaces can be tight in some dorm rooms (not mine ^^), but the difference is I'm not FORCED to be there 12 hours a day. Quite the opposite in fact-- I'm encouraged to get out and see some sunlight and try to pick up chicks and go out and get drunk with my friends (and go to class, hehehe).

I think you're all arguing with me over semantics basically. The word "sweatshop" has got you all so riled up that you're missing my point. That point is: Don't knock Sheth because he doesn't want to live in those conditions, especially if you've never been there yourself.
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Tektos
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1321 Posts
July 23 2011 13:48 GMT
#969
The Korean team house practice routine is the only way to become the best and maintain your position as the best. Sheth is not happy with the team house lifestyle so will eventually fall off the radar while FXO if they continue in the direction they're heading are destined to do great things.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 13:58:44
July 23 2011 13:58 GMT
#970
On July 23 2011 22:48 Tektos wrote:
The Korean team house practice routine is the only way to become the best and maintain your position as the best. Sheth is not happy with the team house lifestyle so will eventually fall off the radar while FXO if they continue in the direction they're heading are destined to do great things.


I certainly think western pro gaming houses should not try to imitate the lifestyle of korean ones, just the practice routine... there is no need to share a room with minimum accommodations with other 3 people in order to become the best. I don't fault Sheth for his decision.. I know I wouldn't want to live in those conditions either.
Trawlen
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom13 Posts
July 23 2011 14:19 GMT
#971
On July 23 2011 22:58 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 22:48 Tektos wrote:
The Korean team house practice routine is the only way to become the best and maintain your position as the best. Sheth is not happy with the team house lifestyle so will eventually fall off the radar while FXO if they continue in the direction they're heading are destined to do great things.


I certainly think western pro gaming houses should not try to imitate the lifestyle of korean ones, just the practice routine... there is no need to share a room with minimum accommodations with other 3 people in order to become the best. I don't fault Sheth for his decision.. I know I wouldn't want to live in those conditions either.


I believe FXO has a mansion in some asian country.

It's nothing like a korean house. It has a 24/7 guard, a swimming pool and looks pretty big.
Mario1209
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1077 Posts
July 23 2011 14:30 GMT
#972
so sad
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raistline123
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada18 Posts
July 23 2011 16:07 GMT
#973
Looking forward to another announcement this weekend!!!
jinixxx123
Profile Joined June 2010
543 Posts
July 23 2011 16:16 GMT
#974
meh, good riddance . FXO is stepping up their game, anyone not serious about becoming the best they can will get the boot.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 23 2011 16:19 GMT
#975
Sheth and Tyler should be on a team together - homeboy gosus don't need to go to Korea to be great.

No but srsly, if a player has drive and connections there's no reason they can't be good even without being in a pro house, it's all about how much you practice and who you practice with.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Hyren
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States817 Posts
July 23 2011 16:43 GMT
#976
Why do people have to make this a soap opera?

Sheth and FXO fighting.
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MintBerryCrunch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States73 Posts
July 23 2011 17:54 GMT
#977
I can understand if he doesn't want to uproot his life to practice playing a video game. I'm still a Sheth fanboy, and still an FXO fan.
iGn1t3
Profile Joined May 2011
Hong Kong73 Posts
July 23 2011 18:36 GMT
#978
Sheth is such a fine player!... Hopefully he will find a great home.
I lose today to win tomorrow.
Meko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States129 Posts
July 23 2011 18:44 GMT
#979
Well, Sheth has mentioned on State of the Game that family is important to him, so I can certainly understand his decision to avoid the gamer house that would pull him away from his family. Roster changes and players come and go for teams so there is no reason to argue the details unless they left on bad terms, which it doesn't seem they did.
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
July 23 2011 19:00 GMT
#980
On July 23 2011 21:59 McGuire72 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 12:56 AimForTheBushes wrote:
On July 23 2011 05:29 McGuire72 wrote:
On July 23 2011 03:20 encryptedamf wrote:
On July 23 2011 03:07 McGuire72 wrote:


Calling him fat or questioning his "devotion" to a team because he didn't wanna die in a progaming sweatshop in Asia is moronic.
.


your a little racist don't you think? shit like this makes me embarrassed when Koreans come to our site and have to read shit like that.... degrading an efficient way of training. I bet in "real" sweat shops they dont even have beds to sleep on, nor food to eat.. ignorant.




Dude, I don't call it a sweatshop because I hate the people, or because that's the "norm" in Korea. I call it a sweatshop because, from what I've seen in the Artosis tours, these progaming houses are freaking gaming SWEATSHOPS. These guys train 12 hours a day in tight conditions, sleeping on single-mattress bunk beds like a bunch of children. Sure, guys like MC and Nestea are VERY well-compensated for their time, but imagine being one of the sub-Code-A players just trying to make a name for himself, and making next to no money for the extreme devotions of time and effort made toward the game. Some of these kids are like 14 and 15 years old, "working" 12 hour days in confined spaces for little to no pay. That's a sweatshop dude!

Now the obvious counter-argument is that these kids are all chasing their dreams, trying to live out the "glamourous" life of a progamer, touring around from tournament to tournament and raking in big cheques. Ok, cool, if that's their perogative and goal in life, then they should go for it! More power to them. But you can't sit around in the comfort of your home and fault a guy like Sheth for not wanting any part of that. I love SC2, and I sure as hell wouldn't want any part of that! Sheth clearly enjoys eating his mom's home cooking, relaxing on the couch, and making a modest living playing SC2. Just because he doesn't want to live his life in a pro-house doesn't give you or anyone else the right to judge, let alone insult, him.


I think you really need to step back and think about what a sweatshop is..and then compare that to what us adults call "jobs"..and then compare that to what a pro-gaming house is. Two of the three are ways that people earn a living, by doing things they really would rather not do, for the most part. The 3rd is a place where kids can get all their needs provided for, for free, while earning money on the side.

Are pro-gaming houses lavish mansions with incredible amenities? Of course not. Are they any worse than your normal college fraternity where you share a rack room (where all the bunk beds are) with 50 other guys? In most cases, no. Gaming houses are very utilitarian, and efficient for what they're meant to be. The players basically have no responsibility to provide for themselves, they only have to be responsible enough to practice playing video games for the majority of a day. What a brutal life. I'm sure we're only months away from the 3AM Sarah McLachlan TV ad for "Adopt/Save a starving gamer"..right?


I have a great job. I work full-time, and play SC2 in my spare time. That's why I'm comfortable criticizing progaming houses for being exploitative of their "employees." Look at the PuMa situation, as a recent example. They basically weren't paying the guy for the work he was doing. Sweatshop.

No, people aren't FORCED to play in the progaming houses, but people aren't generally forced to work in sweatshops, except out of necessity. And you may say, "well, these gamers do this out of passion, not necessity," to which I would respond: How do you know that? FruitDealer, for one, openly admits that he took to progaming as a way to provide for his family; his mother, literally, was a "fruit dealer" on the streets, and his family was very poor. How do you know this isn't the norm?

I've been through university , and lived in residence. Yes, the spaces can be tight in some dorm rooms (not mine ^^), but the difference is I'm not FORCED to be there 12 hours a day. Quite the opposite in fact-- I'm encouraged to get out and see some sunlight and try to pick up chicks and go out and get drunk with my friends (and go to class, hehehe).

I think you're all arguing with me over semantics basically. The word "sweatshop" has got you all so riled up that you're missing my point. That point is: Don't knock Sheth because he doesn't want to live in those conditions, especially if you've never been there yourself.


I don't think they threw out sheth because of Korea, but more because he doesn't want to train in malaysia. And looking at those pictures, those were incredibly living conditions. :o
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