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Devise
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1131 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 14:32:13
July 21 2011 14:31 GMT
#3061
On July 21 2011 23:25 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Trickster, FruitDealer, now PuMa. Really sad for TSL...


Also rain.. looks like TSL is going down, very sad.
seoul_kiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States545 Posts
July 21 2011 14:31 GMT
#3062
This reminds me of the Delpan leaving fnatic for SK business that went down. In the end, it's up to the player and he took the EG deal and ran with it. Tough to give up one of the biggest gaming organizations in the United States and prominent one in the world. I don't know if he's coming here or staying there but I think he should stay there and represent EG in Korea, he'll do well.
oGs.MC: Repair IMBAAAAAAAAAAa
venge1155
Profile Joined January 2011
United States174 Posts
July 21 2011 14:31 GMT
#3063
On July 21 2011 23:25 w_Ender_w wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 23:22 canikizu wrote:
Oh well, I guess Koreans will stop sending their players to international events for a while now.
good job Eccentric Genius.


Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 23:22 RusHXceL wrote:
I wonder how Idra and Puma work together..

Looks like no more koreans to the USA.


How in the world are you guys reaching the conclusion that this means no Koreans will participate in foreign events when literally all the evidence points otherwise? o_o


You do not honestly think that with a society that DEMANDS respectfulness that the teams will continue to allow/send CONTRACTED PLAYERS (i.e. none compete clauses or something smiler) if they feel they have a good chance of losing that player?

Sure I would say that most teams will not stop sending players, but I would guess there will be far more chaperoning and a lot less contact.
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
July 21 2011 14:31 GMT
#3064
On July 21 2011 23:28 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 23:26 MHT wrote:
Feels like the foreign scene is about devour Korea. Who knows? Soon all the Korean pro teams may be owned by foreigners.


And then the broodwar teams all convert and rape the korean-foreign teams lol.

Nah, that won't happen while brood war still gets hundreds of thousands of dollars in salaries/sponsors/etc
tooPrime
Profile Joined March 2011
United States245 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 14:32:29
July 21 2011 14:31 GMT
#3065
On July 21 2011 23:23 Lonyo wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapping_up

(Sorry it's a wikipedia link, but I think some people should read it).

What went on here, if it is as claimed (EG approached Puma directly), would result in fines and bans of various sorts in other sports. If you think it's acceptable, then what do you think of rules against such actions in other (professional) sports?


Okay so I asked this question and no one answered it, but if TSL did have a contract with Puna it's not tampering. If TSL and EG are "teams" in the same "league" and they all have contracts then it's tampering.

If Puma had a contract I assume TSL wouldn't let him go, so I think TSL is just raging.
MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
July 21 2011 14:31 GMT
#3066
On July 21 2011 23:27 Bensio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 23:26 MHT wrote:
Feels like the foreign scene is about devour Korea. Who knows? Soon all the Korean pro teams may be owned by foreigners.

How about we wait until an official statement from EG before jumping to comnclusions about the future of SC2 in the west?

No comment until EG PR, interesting move tho.

Not exactly a conclusion but a a theory rather.
moonmeh
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)105 Posts
July 21 2011 14:32 GMT
#3067
On July 21 2011 23:14 twittertrans wrote:
there seems to be a lack of translations from pro twitters at this time so i will do my best to bring some translations

In responce to TSL_Clide's "dirty money" tweet,
fiveoone501 신지수 @clidekj 선수님들이 더 힘내셨으면좋겠어요..ㅠ

fiveoone501 a former MBC B teamer replied with "please lend him some of your strength"
(implying that puma needs support during this time)

------------------

fiveoone501 신지수
@TSLpuma 선수님..꼭 가서 잘 하셔야해요^^ 잘하실꺼라믿지만..아프지말고 스트레스도 많이받지마시구요~중요한건 건강입니다!!응원할께요^^화이팅!

he also tweeted to puma "puma, you have to go and do well! even though it may hurt, even though it may cause you stress the most important thing is your heath. i will be cheering for you. fighting"

----------------------

MaeLinE2 김혜린
@clidekj ㅠㅠ...

user maelin a playxp and former mbcgame partner had only this to say to clide about his "dirty money" tweet. those little T's being crying eye emoticons.

and also to puma she tweeted
MaeLinE2 김혜린
@TSLpuma 이렇게 결정 된게 결코 나쁜 선택이 아니었으면 좋겠네요...화이팅입니다!

i hope that this decision you made wasnt a bad one. fighting!

-------------------------------

fruitdealer kimwonki winner of the first GSL had this to say about puma

fruitdealar kimwonki
머리큰푸마
18 hours ago

"big headed puma"


Sorry to do this but I'm going to critisize some of this translation

Clide was saying dirty money as an insult to puma, implying that Puma left the team for money reasons.
fiveoone501 was merely saying I hope players gather up their strength (players in general). This is not implying he needed to comfort. In fact he was more on the line of saying TSL players cheer up!

FD's twitter was 18 hrs ago yet this story broke around 9hrs ago so I think he's tweet is irrelevant here
Rinnegan5
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands319 Posts
July 21 2011 14:32 GMT
#3068
Great move for EG!
Woshie
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia90 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 14:34:02
July 21 2011 14:32 GMT
#3069
On July 21 2011 23:16 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 23:09 Woshie wrote:
On July 21 2011 23:00 jiveturkey wrote:
I like how people say that they 'stole' him. As if players are property.

And there is nothing wrong with bypassing management. If they would have gone through TSL as opposed to talking to Puma directly, Puma most likely would not have joined EG because the TSL management would most likely twist the offer in a way that Puma would not want to join. They are desperate to keep their best player.

Talking directly to him allows them to give him the straight up offer. If it's a good enough offer, he'll take it. If not, then he will not. This is a mutually beneficial arrangement and people should be happy for both EG and Puma.

"IMO it takes a fairly scumbag person aka organization to approach PUMA personally like this."

Why? He is a person. If you want to offer a person something, then do it. It makes no sense to go through that person's management. It is not EG's responsibility to talk to the team of a player they are interested in. They are simply interested in the player, and it his that player's obligation to figure things out with his team, which he obviously did.


I 100% agree. People need a rude awakening to the real world. In the real world when I'm working for a company and another company wants to hire me they approach me. Not my company. They offer a package and I take it or not. The only reason some sports don't do that is because of a governing body which SC2 does not have.

Also it was Puma's decision. He took himself out of TSL as have a few other players of late. So I'm unsure exactly what the situation is there. Maybe nothing is wrong in TSL but it seems odd.

My main concern is where is Puma going to live. In EG's American house? Is EG going to get a place in Korea now as well? Is EG going to partner with someone like FXO to give Puma a place to train?
\
Because in real life, you work for the company, make money for them and they'll pay you salary. If your company let you keep most (or all) the money you make, and also pay for your expense, find the sponsor, I bet they would be pissed too.


That is between TSL and Puma. Nothing to do with EG. TSL where using him as marketable space for brands. If they where making money on him or planed to in the future is not EG's concern. If he was just a money sink it is a hobby. If you wish to get your investment back then you should have a proper contract.

I don't get the hate for EG. If people want to hate someone it was PUMA's decision. EG did not force him to do anything, they simply gave him the option. It is like seeing your wife/gf cheat on you. Doesn't matter who the partner is your wife/gf cheated with. But it is much easy to chase the other person down the street. Having said that though I think Puma made a decision and I respect and understand it. You have a limited "life span" in a sport so you try to do as well in it as you can.
TheAlchemist89
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
160 Posts
July 21 2011 14:33 GMT
#3070
This is definitely interesting news..... I don't quite understand all of the 'underhanded' comments.... if TSL wanted to keep Puma... they woulda offered him what he was worth.

Some very interesting moves by SK and now EG..... I wonder how the Korean SC2 scene will respond. They definitely will have to keep their players happy now to avoid more deals like this. I just hope the Korean SC2 scene steps up to give their stars more to keep them happy... or else their scene may start to dissolve.
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 21 2011 14:33 GMT
#3071
I don't think there was any malicious intent. Just totally clueless.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
zJayy962
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1363 Posts
July 21 2011 14:33 GMT
#3072
OH.... shit....

This thread is a bit too black and white. If we don't know the specifics of the situation we should not judge. Is it true that he had no salary in the TSL?

A regular salary is a really amazing deal TBH because it offers stability rather than sporadic tournament wins that are unpredictable. Hope this works out and YAY for IdrA now having a great Terran to practice with.
stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
July 21 2011 14:33 GMT
#3073
On July 21 2011 23:30 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
I'm not surprised. Its EG. Evil as hell, way to go behind the team's back.

I don't understand why people can't just wish Puma the best of luck for his decision. So many people have to put a negative spin on change. He was probably paid shit if he accepted this deal with EG, c'mon guys, I'm sure he's happier than ever now.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
July 21 2011 14:33 GMT
#3074
On July 21 2011 23:25 w_Ender_w wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 23:22 canikizu wrote:
Oh well, I guess Koreans will stop sending their players to international events for a while now.
good job Eccentric Genius.


How in the world are you guys reaching the conclusion that this means no Koreans will participate in foreign events when literally all the evidence points otherwise? o_o

"I guess" <<<< ?
Knowing how Asians work, team players/coaches might whisper each other and be aware of the threat of losing their players when sending them to international events.

I can still see Koreans participating online international events, but for offline events, I don't expect them to send kids to do big jobs now.
statikg
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada930 Posts
July 21 2011 14:34 GMT
#3075
Who cares, starcraft teams and just groups of friends who practice together, the anology being drawn to sports teams is ridiculous. The anology to the working world at least makes some sense.
Greatness
Profile Joined May 2011
United States450 Posts
July 21 2011 14:35 GMT
#3076
Seems like Puma *Sunglasses on* pounced onto another team. YYYEEAAAHHHHHH!
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
July 21 2011 14:35 GMT
#3077
On July 21 2011 23:33 stormchaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 23:30 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
I'm not surprised. Its EG. Evil as hell, way to go behind the team's back.

I don't understand why people can't just wish Puma the best of luck for his decision. So many people have to put a negative spin on change. He was probably paid shit if he accepted this deal with EG, c'mon guys, I'm sure he's happier than ever now.

Nobody is shitting on Puma, just EG, and until we get their side of the story, they deserve it.
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 21 2011 14:35 GMT
#3078
On July 21 2011 23:33 stormchaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 23:30 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
I'm not surprised. Its EG. Evil as hell, way to go behind the team's back.

I don't understand why people can't just wish Puma the best of luck for his decision. So many people have to put a negative spin on change. He was probably paid shit if he accepted this deal with EG, c'mon guys, I'm sure he's happier than ever now.


I'm not sure if anyone's complaining about Puma here...
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
tooPrime
Profile Joined March 2011
United States245 Posts
July 21 2011 14:35 GMT
#3079
Okay, TL is now worse than Cleveland Cavalier fans. Shameful day.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
July 21 2011 14:35 GMT
#3080
On July 21 2011 23:04 Sandro wrote:
Puma has gone from training with Flash to training with Incontrol.

This made me laugh a lot more than it should have :D
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