EPTSlayers_Jessica overreacting to flamers? - Page 63
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
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ABPID
Netherlands293 Posts
On July 20 2011 15:20 tripper688 wrote: You're forgetting that 1.) Some of this trolling is illegal in Korea. There are actual legal consequences for those who were involved so it's not a simple matter of getting a proxy or going through vpn/tor or getting someone else to troll for you. 2.) People talking smack all the time is not a valid defense for acts of defamation and/or harassment. Which is what some of these incidents fall under, at least for Korean law. Open to criticism =/= invitation for harassment and defamation. 3.) There is precedent that, at least in Korea, what you have just stated is completely untrue. Just look at what happened with the incident concerning Flash. Are you sure they can't just use proxy/vpn/tor? I don't know Korean internet infrastructure and regulations but how would they trace it? Besides, all the people saying they wished other countries would have the Korean system: Do you really want to give the government all power on the internet? Are there not many struggles for freedom fed by the web? Would you want to stop these just so you can deal with some trolls who hardly do any damage at all, at least in the Western world? | ||
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enecateReAP
United Kingdom378 Posts
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Leo702
United States53 Posts
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JungHyun
United States47 Posts
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SxYSpAz
United States1451 Posts
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moonmeh
Korea (South)105 Posts
On July 20 2011 19:00 Morfildur wrote: I don't see any mention of her suing him or threatening to sue him. She just says (paraphrased) "Maybe you are one of those posting offensive stuff under another name. I hope for your sake that you are not". The Haeun_Cielu guy seems to try to draw a lot of attention by making unfounded accusations and trying to make Jessica sound like a crazy person. He is definatly not a good source - though i can just judge by your translation. Unless there is _another_ person on twitter who gives more information, i would consider that case closed. It's just one guy hating another person and blowing it all out of proportion for doing something he doesn't agree with. Okay basically in Jessica's tweeted picture of the docs, he saw his twitter screen cap there. In addition he actually recieved the suit and had to visit the police because of it. He didn't post any photoshopped images or such just critisized. To be honest Jessica has been constantly hating on this dude, retweeting stuff he wrote so that her fans could how "mean" he was by saying "by the actions of yesterday I'm disliking slayers" You can see his tweet here printed out (look for the cat image) http://yfrog.com/kkmtkej . He's not attention whoring, Jessica has attacked him and sued him, unjustly at that. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On July 20 2011 20:00 moonmeh wrote: Okay basically in Jessica's tweeted picture of the docs, he saw his twitter screen cap there. In addition he actually recieved the suit and had to visit the police because of it. He didn't post any photoshopped images or such just critisized. To be honest Jessica has been constantly hating on this dude, retweeting stuff he wrote so that her fans could how "mean" he was by saying "by the actions of yesterday I'm disliking slayers" You can see his tweet here printed out (look for the cat image) http://yfrog.com/kkmtkej . He's not attention whoring, Jessica has attacked him and sued him, unjustly at that. Did she sue him? This post says he visited the police station. That doesn't say she sued him. Hell, for all i know, he could by lying... Also, the image shows a list of search results for a specific search term Jessica printed (Top of the Page: "Results for (some korean letters)". There is no reason to believe everyone who used that term got sued. There isn't even a handwritten note or anything besides the tweet. She might just have printed that list to later go through it and look at the tweets in detail (at least that is how i would do it). Also, we do not know what happened before that. At least I only know about his claims, but i don't know whether he has written other posts besides those on twitter. Why are there no reports of other people claiming to be sued without reason, just this one guy? | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
I was once taken to the police because of a man, who - strangely enough - has said much worse things than about me than I have about him. Luckily, the policemen were reasonable and the case was quickly abandoned and I was suggested to sue him back. But I would never do that, I would feel like the silliest person ever. Please, everyone out there, be reasonable and do not ever sue/report to the police/whatever other people for anything they say. You may have the right given to you by law, but you should understand that it is fundamentally wrong and refrain from using it. Do not let our freedom of speech be decided by lawyers. | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On July 20 2011 20:50 opisska wrote: People should never be sued, investigated, threatened byt the police etc... for anything they say, be it in person, on the internet, anywhere. The sad fact is, that this is definitely not the case in most of the so called "developed" countries. There is almost no place on the Earth where really free speech could be found. I was once taken to the police because of a man, who - strangely enough - has said much worse things than about me than I have about him. Luckily, the policemen were reasonable and the case was quickly abandoned and I was suggested to sue him back. But I would never do that, I would feel like the silliest person ever. Please, everyone out there, be reasonable and do not ever sue/report to the police/whatever other people for anything they say. You may have the right given to you by law, but you should understand that it is fundamentally wrong and refrain from using it. Do not let our freedom of speech be decided by lawyers. Oh, so it's ok that i tell everyone you know that you drink a bottle of whisky every evening before going to bed and you bring a flask full of booze to work and drink from it secretly every time you go to the bathroom... oh, and that when you had your LSD trip, you slept with the girlfriend of your best friend? Oh, and don't forget that time you raped that girl after the disco, lucky she didn't recognize you and you didn't get caught... It's true, really. You told me all that when you were drunk 2 nights ago. Well, the point is: Things you say can have serious influences on how other people see the person you are talking about. It starts with little things like "Yeah, that girl puts out with anyone who asks" which can destroy the reputation of a perfectly fine person and cause serious mental issues. I'm not even talking about the worst stuff someone could say. Words have power, just because you know they are wrong doesn't mean others won't perceive you differently if someone says something about you. You have to fight it or you get destroyed by them as they will follow you for your whole life. | ||
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Haze.884
New Zealand192 Posts
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moonmeh
Korea (South)105 Posts
The search was 김가연 Jessica's name. There isn't even a handwritten note or anything besides the tweet. She might just have printed that list to later go through it and look at the tweets in detail (at least that is how i would do it) A good point that but as far as I know she basically submitted the entire bunch of those print outs to the police. Those were the finalized copies I believe. As far as I know Haeun_Cielu was the only one caught up, checking various communities and stuff and got the most attention due him being retweeted. To be honest I think at this point, we are running out of information and just have to wait for new information. I just wanted to add in some points that Jessica could have handled this better. | ||
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gravethrasher
Norway89 Posts
On July 20 2011 19:33 Leo702 wrote: The culture over there is different than in other countries. They said on SOTG today that South Korea has the highest celebrity suicide rate in the world, and some of it is because of flamers. If it is that serious and if every Korean is not truly anonymous online, then I think Jessica is doing a good thing trying to protect her players. While that might be weird to do in the US, it seems like bringing this stuff up to police in Korea is not an uncommon thing to do. Trolling does trigger suicides. So does bad weather, divorce, losing, bankruptcy. Human rights are international, u cant possibly mean Korea cant have it whenever it turns out inconvienient, because there are so many trolls there, or because of their warped perspective on honor, shame and morals. U BRING DISHONAH TO OUR FAMILY! If if people wants to help, try supporting Eve, instead of putting random kids in jail, their lives is just as important, and love her even if she only plays in gold division. Troll them back, ignore them, do whatever, just dont fucking ruin their lives by putting them in jail, and give them a criminal record. Anyone ever think that celebs are also doing harm? shes got money, looks, one of the best jobs ever, living a dream? just because im envious doesnt mean im entitled to go on a Manson rampage killing off progamers. U cant force people to like u, by police military or brute force, and prison is not a trivial thing and Koreas suicide problem is not caused by internet trolling, even though it could trigger it | ||
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DKR
United Kingdom622 Posts
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gravethrasher
Norway89 Posts
On July 20 2011 21:14 DKR wrote: I'm glad she's doing this, people can't treat one another like this in real life without consequences why should they be able to do it on the internet where they can hide behind their keyboards like cowards. Did u just call me a coward? could that be considered an offence? Let me call the police and send u to jail for acouple of years so u can learn a lesson. If every conversation is gonna be like stepping on broken glass, then why even bother socializing? | ||
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fush
Canada563 Posts
On July 20 2011 21:19 gravethrasher wrote: Did u just call me a coward? could that be considered an offence? Let me call the police and send u to jail for acouple of years so u can learn a lesson. If every conversation is gonna be like stepping on broken glass, then why even bother socializing? you're coming him calling you a coward to having crude, sexually explicit images of you posted and spread on the internet - all of which unprovoked (since eve didn't exactly do anything herself), and with the aim of hurting you? really? | ||
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
On July 20 2011 21:19 gravethrasher wrote: Did u just call me a coward? could that be considered an offence? Let me call the police and send u to jail for acouple of years so u can learn a lesson. If every conversation is gonna be like stepping on broken glass, then why even bother socializing? You are acting like a dolt. On July 20 2011 15:00 Lamphead wrote: + Show Spoiler + jessica is FIRE she is exactly what a female needs to be in the E-sports world; if she was not like this, she would not be Boxer's girl, and she sure as heck wouldn't have proposed creating Slayers to him, and Slayers would sure as heck not exist, and Boxer would be coaching SK Telecom for all we know I am thinking that she aggro'd those innocent people because - she is probably feeling like her decision to take Eve on as a trainee is being ridiculed - Slayers is struggling - she is trying to protect a girl that may not be as strong as her (I can imagine seeing your head Photoshopped onto a variety of subjects as a girl would be scarring ._.) I hope it all works out in the end and people forgive her. But she is good for e-sports overall. And girls are good for e-sports as well. I play curling (harhar), and because it is a sport where men and women are nearly, if not, competitively equal, the sport really started to benefit when men and women events were featured separately and together. Probably not the same for SC2, but if there is a female MC out there, it will be very hard for her to find her way if this is how people react when she makes her first steps. She is a great mama-bear ^_^. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On July 20 2011 21:02 Morfildur wrote: Oh, so it's ok that i tell everyone you know that you drink a bottle of whisky every evening before going to bed and you bring a flask full of booze to work and drink from it secretly every time you go to the bathroom... oh, and that when you had your LSD trip, you slept with the girlfriend of your best friend? Oh, and don't forget that time you raped that girl after the disco, lucky she didn't recognize you and you didn't get caught... It's true, really. You told me all that when you were drunk 2 nights ago. Well, the point is: Things you say can have serious influences on how other people see the person you are talking about. It starts with little things like "Yeah, that girl puts out with anyone who asks" which can destroy the reputation of a perfectly fine person and cause serious mental issues. I'm not even talking about the worst stuff someone could say. Words have power, just because you know they are wrong doesn't mean others won't perceive you differently if someone says something about you. You have to fight it or you get destroyed by them as they will follow you for your whole life. Or people can just learn not to believe anything they hear? I have had endless hours of this argument with my friends and many of them would say exactly what you did. But it's not about "I will just start saying aything". When what i call "true freedom of speech" is established, people will start to realize, that words being simply thrown around do not mean anything. Actually, I argue that in such a world it would be easier for people to handle bad things being said about them. Without the presumption that any wrongful statements would be fought against by their subject, it is less likely that they are taken seriously. I am sorry for starting a debate that is slightly off-topic, but I felt that the sheer amount of "oh yeah, Korea is so great for beating internet trolls" has to be balanced somehow. | ||
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starsucks
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But suing people for expressing their opinion seems ridiculous to me. Slayers clearly picked Eve for attention. Attention is what she got. Definitely. That this attention can't all be positive should be more than clear. This is what you get for picking a completely unknown person with an unknown match and ladder history. Does she expect everybody to cheer? | ||
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