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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
On July 21 2011 05:12 MoonfireSpam wrote: From skim reading stuff so far, standing up for player on your team. Good for her  There's a difference between standing up, and quite frankly being a complete douche about the situation. It frustrates me that she can be a manager of a team. They need a REAL PR person out there. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On July 21 2011 05:03 ranshaked wrote: I could care less, I hate being disrespected and she did that. Then again, she sounds like a stuck up bitch. You're taking it a little personally, aren't you? You could care less, and yet you come here to complain about it. I see how it goes.  Anyways, I find it funny that TL was behind her when she was defending Boxer after that one article was published, but now that she's defending Eve from, IMHO, harsher words and attacks, people suddenly think she's overreacting at best and a bitchy control freak at worst. Guess that's how people roll, though. | ||
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Sorkoas
549 Posts
On July 21 2011 05:13 ranshaked wrote: There's a difference between standing up, and quite frankly being a complete douche about the situation. It frustrates me that she can be a manager of a team. They need a REAL PR person out there. i couldnt agree more. im surprised she's not schooled in pr with her background. On July 21 2011 05:14 babylon wrote:You're taking it a little personally, aren't you? You could care less, and yet you come here to complain about it. I see how it goes. Anyways, I find it funny that TL was behind her when she was defending Boxer after that one article was published, but now that she's defending Eve from, IMHO, harsher words and attacks, people suddenly think she's overreacting at best and a bitchy control freak at worst. Guess that's how people roll, though. didnt people think she was overreacting in that case too? thats when i started losing my respect to her. thought she would be more used to the shit people spew all over the place on internet. | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
On July 21 2011 05:24 ranshaked wrote: If you can't take the heat, take the back seat. This stuff happens everywhere. In every business, school, event, etc. Trolling, anger and jealousy will always arise, but you have to learn to take it and move on. Yeah but as a female kind of in the spotlight right now would you say its cool for her coach to let it slide that people are putting her face on pictures of nude models? Gotta admit if I was a chick and someone was doing that I would probably flip out and leave the gaming scene completely, there's only so much a person can handle. Name callings one thing but that stuff is very strange imo. | ||
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oniontaker
United Kingdom128 Posts
On July 21 2011 04:05 Sorkoas wrote: seems like jessica is ranting on twitter again: + Show Spoiler + @SlayerS_Jessica 김가연SlayerS_Jessica 먼저 고소관련 사진을 올렸을때 하은님의 트윗터가 보이셨다고 그거로 제가 님을 고소대상자로 한줄아시고 여기저기에 글을 쓰실때 솔직히 많이 화가났습니다. 하은님이 저의 트윗터를 정리하셔서 키배질이라고 칭하며 여기저시 RT해달라고 글을 쓰셔서 제가 제이름으로 검색하면 최근의 글이 올라옵니다. 하은님을 비롯하여 최근에 제이름으로 글쓴것이 바로보이느것이지요,. 이번 고소관련해서 자료는 상황과 정황 설명상 모두 필요합니다. 현재 트윗터에도 이런글이 돌고잇다라는 사실을 입증해야하죠 그래서 전 모은 자료이구요 하은님이 그걸 보시고 제가 대상자로 성정하신걸로 추측하신듯합니다. 저에게 확인하신것도 아닌데 그걸 여기저기 퍼트리는 걸 보면서 솔직히 님이 도를 넘어서면 님 또한 대상자로 넣어야겟다는 생각도 했었어요 아...멘션이 아니네여.. 음.. 어쩌지? someone feel free to translate please. im not gonna post google translation. Not much to say. She wasn't ranting so much as speaking to the one Korean person who accused of persecuting someone for simply criticising SlayerS. Not sure she wasn't using mentions or @ but it might be because I couldn't find that tweet user when I looked for her earlier. Jessica will be releasing a statement directly to TL or twitter in the coming hours. I wasn't aware of the full situation myself but having read parts of it just now, the clarification it brings makes the OP of this thread redundant. It seems that TL members have been misled. Perhaps when this happens, the mods would be kind enough to allow a new thread to be opened with a new OP that explains the situation quite clearly. | ||
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freddyy
Sweden56 Posts
On July 21 2011 05:24 ranshaked wrote: If you can't take the heat, take the back seat. This stuff happens everywhere. In every business, school, event, etc. Trolling, anger and jealousy will always arise, but you have to learn to take it and move on. Or you could actually try and do something about it and not just "learn to take it". You are not just a bystander of your environment, you can actually choose what to accept or not. I suggest people listen to Leah's and Artosis' comments during the last State of the Game. Korea is another culture, and they have a different take on internet harassment than one might be used to. I personally respect Jessica for standing up and saying enough is enough. | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
I mean, progamers get stuff like this all the time, for losing and stuff. She made a pretty controversial decision, so it's kinda expected that she would get flak for it. The way she replied to some of the tweets, if I didn't know who she was, I'd have thought she was some kind of troll or something. >< | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
On July 21 2011 05:29 RaLakedaimon wrote: Yeah but as a female kind of in the spotlight right now would you say its cool for her coach to let it slide that people are putting her face on pictures of nude models? Gotta admit if I was a chick and someone was doing that I would probably flip out and leave the gaming scene completely, there's only so much a person can handle. Name callings one thing but that stuff is very strange imo. It happens every day. Think about our celebrities today. The UK is notorious for taking the faces of others and putting them on nude bodies. When you're in the spotlight, it's how it goes. It's happened for years and years. Look at roman history for instance, you have two things that happened. Julius Caesar' and Clodius Pulcher disliked one another. The rumors spread that Pulcher was banging caesar' wife, but Caesar handled it like a gentleman, while Pulcher made himself look like a fool. You need to know how to handle certain situations. | ||
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BigLighthouse
United Kingdom424 Posts
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TheChostoProject
Mexico96 Posts
People do not have the right to not be offended by what others say in the internet. | ||
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MVega
763 Posts
On July 21 2011 05:36 oniontaker wrote: Jessica will be releasing a statement directly to TL or twitter in the coming hours. I wasn't aware of the full situation myself but having read parts of it just now, the clarification it brings makes the OP of this thread redundant. It seems that TL members have been misled. Can't wait to read this statement. Hopefully you're right. Though honestly I'm a little appalled at how willing people in this thread seem to be to accept harassment. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On July 21 2011 05:24 ranshaked wrote: If you can't take the heat, take the back seat. This stuff happens everywhere. In every business, school, event, etc. Trolling, anger and jealousy will always arise, but you have to learn to take it and move on. I think someone else has already said it best, so I'll repost this: On July 20 2011 13:40 Crisco wrote: + Show Spoiler + if you understood the severity of korean netizen criticisms & lewd remarks against famous individuals (celebrities & etc) you would understand half of why Jessica is doing what she has done. Unfortunately, Korean netizen's comments are lewd, critical and harsh to the point that the likes of most forums would look like a holy scripture. It is not only that, but the way most of the comments are worded. Often times, these posts/comments are not just a comment about the particular individual but a deconstruction of the individual as a human being into objects of worth (sexually) and lack of worth (ability wise). These comments are NOT simply "she sucks, why are you taking her in" or "I would love to bang her".. it is more like "hey, why don't you stop singing and just take off your clothes" or "God you suck, please hang yourself." The comments of Korean netizens are heavily responsible for at least 1-2 high-profile suicides a year AT LEAST. In other words, every 6 months, the mob's dehumanizing of certain "selected" individuals plays a significant role which leads to suicides or suicide attempts. This is one of the biggest reasons such a law was enforced in Korea. The likes of such actions AND consequences do not really exist anywhere else in the world as far as I am aware. someone in the forums asked why Jessica, a celebrity/actress, would not have more control and be willing to ignore the trolls and the reason is BECAUSE she is an actress. She knows, better than anyone, how damaging these criticisms can be. They don't just post in their own forums, might I add. In certain situations, I've seen these people storm to the actress/celebrities' WEBSITE and post things like "hey, your singing is awful, you should hang yourself" and "why bother singing, when you can just show your breasts." Why not censor it in their website? In that particular occasion, it was posted so often & so frequently that a person would have to be deleting all day 24/7. People's careers literally get ruined over this every year. Sometimes, you really can't ignore them and hope they disappear, because they will just keep at it even if it's absolutely ridiculous. Sometimes ignoring them is the worst way to go about it, and I think Jessica recognizes that, especially in Eve's case, because her career is just starting. I don't approve of some of Jessica's decisions - namely, putting Eve on the bench at the GSTL when she's only a trainee and won't play for several weeks - but the community's reaction to SlayerS recruiting Eve is fucking disgusting for the most part. No, Jessica shouldn't have put her on the bench, but that doesn't justify treating Eve like shit when she hasn't done anything to warrant such behavior - and I honestly don't think that having your face photoshopped to the body of a porn star is in any way acceptable under any circumstance. Nobody has even seen her play, for god's sake, and yet, quite a lot of people are already attacking her simply for being on the damn team. Furthermore, just because it happens doesn't make it right, and I'm shocked that more people just can't grasp this concept. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On July 21 2011 05:50 MVega wrote: Can't wait to read this statement. Hopefully you're right. Though honestly I'm a little appalled at how willing people in this thread seem to be to accept harassment. Or to armchair judge her. Or to sit on the fence and say "harassment isn't ok and she overreacted" Or to dismiss her as one of many vulgarities just because of a few actions by her that may or may have not been misconstrued, but let's judge guilty before innocent. | ||
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Craton
United States17265 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On July 21 2011 05:50 MVega wrote: Can't wait to read this statement. Hopefully you're right. Though honestly I'm a little appalled at how willing people in this thread seem to be to accept harassment. It happens to celebrities or people in the lime-light, it's not okay but it's not a big deal considering the advantages or relative success that these people experience, dumb shit like this shouldn't affect them. I may have been slightly more irked if it were someone under-age but honestly at that age how difficult is it to look past this nonsense and say, "I'm on one of the best Starcraft 2 teams in the world, recruited out of gold league, I sat next to a pretty famous coach at the GSTL at the player's bench, life's good, people must be envious as hell"? I don't feel too bad for her, I don't feel bad for Beiber when I see some random jackass posting about the size of his penis, I'm sure there are tons of photoshopped pictures of him blowing dudes, taking it from behind... Blowing dudes while taking it from behind. Who gives a fuck? Even at his age people would be envious as fuck, it comes with being in the spotlight in entertainment. I'd really only feel bad for children who have it thrust upon them at young age and have to deal with it growing up... She's 21, look the fuck past it. Report anyone making threats or attempting to defraud you, you don't need a mother-figure manager going after anyone who says anything mean with a vengeance. Jessica is absolutely over-reacting which is quite surprising particularly how she's parading it under her statements of protecting children from abuse. This is where I feel there may be a number of cultural aspects I'm not understanding. I'm sure Jessica is under a lot of stress but her response so far has been a little off-putting to me. | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
On July 21 2011 05:58 babylon wrote: And I do not think you grasp the concept of celebredome *totally made that up* in the sense that this has gone on forever. You cannot take this stuff personal. Who cares if someone says "You should get naked and do this" Honestly who cares? I think someone else has already said it best, so I'll repost this: People's careers literally get ruined over this every year. Sometimes, you really can't ignore them and hope they disappear, because they will just keep at it even if it's absolutely ridiculous. Sometimes ignoring them is the worst way to go about it, and I think Jessica recognizes that, especially in Eve's case, because her career is just starting. I don't approve of some of Jessica's decisions - namely, putting Eve on the bench at the GSTL when she's only a trainee and won't play for several weeks - but the community's reaction to SlayerS recruiting Eve is fucking disgusting for the most part. No, Jessica shouldn't have put her on the bench, but that doesn't justify treating Eve like shit when she hasn't done anything to warrant such behavior - and I honestly don't think that having your face photoshopped to the body of a porn star is in any way acceptable under any circumstance. Nobody has even seen her play, for god's sake, and yet, quite a lot of people are already attacking her simply for being on the damn team. Furthermore, just because it happens doesn't make it right, and I'm shocked that more people just can't grasp this concept. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On July 21 2011 06:04 ranshaked wrote: And I do not think you grasp the concept of celebredome *totally made that up* in the sense that this has gone on forever. You cannot take this stuff personal. Who cares if someone says "You should get naked and do this" Honestly who cares? The koreans care. Why don't you go over there and tell them your philosophy. Maybe it'll make them not care so much about their image being tarnished. | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
On July 21 2011 06:08 JinDesu wrote: Well they are only making it harsh on themselves in that case. Which makes them retarded. The koreans care. Why don't you go over there and tell them your philosophy. Maybe it'll make them not care so much about their image being tarnished. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On July 21 2011 06:09 ranshaked wrote: Well they are only making it harsh on themselves in that case. Which makes them retarded. Good, let's chalk up every cultural difference that we don't approve of as "retarded". | ||
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