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On July 20 2011 07:49 moonmeh wrote:Show nested quote +
If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act.
And who made you the grand maestor of internet beaucracy? Do you realise what you ar saying now is extreme to the point of ridicule? There are innocents caught up in this due to their good intentions of critisizing. Do they deserve it too ser?
When did I claim to be the lord of the Internet? Slayers Jessica is utilizing tools at her disposal (Korean law.) I didn't ask for her to violate human rights laws. The question is what made YOU the decider of morality and what is right and wrong here? 'Innocents' caught up in this? That's for the courts to decide, not me or you.
On July 20 2011 07:48 EchoZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 07:45 Ocedic wrote:On July 20 2011 07:01 OdiousTea wrote:
Wow, Jessica is pissed, but recruiting someone without any proven credentials is a legitimate cause for some critisism. Especially when Eve is part of the minority of esports.
It's not cause for threats or personal insults. Honestly I don't care what happens to those trolls, I hope they get punished to the fullest extent of Korean law. The op's point is that Jessica is being too indiscriminate, but I disagree. If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act. Some people think otherwise, or else their won't be a discussion anymore...
What part of what I said implied that no one could discuss it? I'm sorry, I guess voicing my own opinion doesn't fit into what you call a 'discussion.'
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On July 20 2011 07:51 Subversion wrote:
Is she really actually only gold? Or was that a troll?
Diamond on the old account. Gold on the new SlayerS one, presumably acquired during the ladder lock. I hope so anyway...
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On July 20 2011 07:49 moonmeh wrote:Show nested quote +
If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act.
And who made you the grand maestor of internet beaucracy? Do you realise what you ar saying now is extreme to the point of ridicule? There are innocents caught up in this due to their good intentions of critisizing. Do they deserve it too ser?
There needs to be a clear division between brutal cyber attacks and critic fans who see Eve merely unfit for a team like SlayerS. Punish those who should be punished. But one should have a clear vision of those who are malicious in nature and those who are innocent.
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On July 20 2011 07:54 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 07:49 moonmeh wrote:
If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act.
And who made you the grand maestor of internet beaucracy? Do you realise what you ar saying now is extreme to the point of ridicule? There are innocents caught up in this due to their good intentions of critisizing. Do they deserve it too ser? There needs to be a clear division between brutal cyber attacks and critic fans who see Eve merely unfit for a team like SlayerS. Punish those who should be punished. But one should have a clear vision of those who are malicious in nature and those who are innocent.
Yah.......I kinda think this got lost in the midst of this cyber war and mud-slinging T.T
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The question is what made YOU the decider of morality and what is right and wrong here?
Holy shit I can't decide for myself what is right or wrong since the morality is the law? Look mate don't you think sueing a fan because of a criticism on twitter albiet harshly worded is slightly extreme?
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On July 20 2011 07:51 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 07:49 moonmeh wrote:
If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act.
And who made you the grand maestor of internet beaucracy? Do you realise what you ar saying now is extreme to the point of ridicule? There are innocents caught up in this due to their good intentions of critisizing. Do they deserve it too ser? When did I claim to be the lord of the Internet? Slayers Jessica is utilizing tools at her disposal (Korean law.) I didn't ask for her to violate human rights laws. The question is what made YOU the decider of morality and what is right and wrong here? 'Innocents' caught up in this? That's for the courts to decide, not me or you.
Courts are brutal, it is a battlefield one would rather not see. Our Asian courts are not the same as those of you Americans. It's rather easy to get a guilty sentence. That's why the selection of the accused must be made carefully.
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I am in uni right now, so I was hoping some1 was able to translate other stuff for me.
Thx for helping out : )
The reason I didnt translate this in the first place was the fact it was organised by a guy from starcraf2 gallery.It was bound to be prejudiced. Therefore, I did direct translations of the people involved.
When I get back I will probs do more translation of Haeul twitter.
It really is dissappointing to see her 'keyboard battle' like this.
It's still a valid source of information though. Even if it was complied by someone from that gallery site, the tweets were made by jessica herself.
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On July 20 2011 07:51 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 07:49 moonmeh wrote:
If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act.
And who made you the grand maestor of internet beaucracy? Do you realise what you ar saying now is extreme to the point of ridicule? There are innocents caught up in this due to their good intentions of critisizing. Do they deserve it too ser? When did I claim to be the lord of the Internet? Slayers Jessica is utilizing tools at her disposal (Korean law.) I didn't ask for her to violate human rights laws. The question is what made YOU the decider of morality and what is right and wrong here? 'Innocents' caught up in this? That's for the courts to decide, not me or you. Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 07:48 EchoZ wrote:On July 20 2011 07:45 Ocedic wrote:On July 20 2011 07:01 OdiousTea wrote:
Wow, Jessica is pissed, but recruiting someone without any proven credentials is a legitimate cause for some critisism. Especially when Eve is part of the minority of esports.
It's not cause for threats or personal insults. Honestly I don't care what happens to those trolls, I hope they get punished to the fullest extent of Korean law. The op's point is that Jessica is being too indiscriminate, but I disagree. If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act. Some people think otherwise, or else their won't be a discussion anymore... What part of what I said implied that no one could discuss it? I'm sorry, I guess voicing my own opinion doesn't fit into what you call a 'discussion.'
I guess I didn't make myself clear, I was actually agreeing with your statement, and was talking about the "who is right" discussion going on right now. No need to overreact like this...
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Hopefully all this drama doesn't cause the girl to think twice about becoming a progamer.
That would set a bad precedent.
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I find slayers_jessica amazingly frustrating -_- I don't know if anyone else gets just horribly controlling/egotistical vibes from her, but..
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Personally I am not sympathetic with raged nerds online who think their keyboard gives them the power to say anything and insult anyone, even harass a person.
Put yourself in her shoes for a second... and i highly salute the Koreans for having such a law, in any situation a person should think before saying something, why should this be any different.
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On July 20 2011 08:06 Vei wrote:
I find slayers_jessica amazingly frustrating -_- I don't know if anyone else gets just horribly controlling/egotistical vibes from her, but..
Not really. Yah, she might've handled this better, but how is this egotistical or controlling? She has legal precedence and honestly, it's not like she's saying "I am the law". She's just looking out for her team member, who is very young and is subjected to grossly inappropriate treatment.
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Hopefully all this drama doesn't cause the girl to think twice about becoming a progamer.
My fear too mate, all this bickering and attention can't be good for her. Bloody Jessica why did you bring her out so early? Communities are skeptics and easily go into mob mode. If you just had some results or replays for us it wouldn't have been this bad.
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On July 20 2011 08:09 moonmeh wrote:Show nested quote +Hopefully all this drama doesn't cause the girl to think twice about becoming a progamer. My fear too mate, all this bickering and attention can't be good for her. Bloody Jessica why did you bring her out so early? Communities are skeptics and easily go into mob mode. If you just had some results or replays for us it wouldn't have been this bad.
I feel like she currently has no achievement to back her standing, other than that amy tournament. I would really like them to give her a chance to let her skills show for the audience to judge.
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On July 20 2011 08:11 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 08:09 moonmeh wrote:Hopefully all this drama doesn't cause the girl to think twice about becoming a progamer. My fear too mate, all this bickering and attention can't be good for her. Bloody Jessica why did you bring her out so early? Communities are skeptics and easily go into mob mode. If you just had some results or replays for us it wouldn't have been this bad. I feel like she currently has no achievement to back her standing, other than that amy tournament. I would really like them to give her a chance to let her skills show for the audience to judge.
Let's just hope it doesn't backfire, cuz I'm not sure if she can handle more of this.
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On July 20 2011 07:57 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 07:51 Ocedic wrote:On July 20 2011 07:49 moonmeh wrote:
If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act.
And who made you the grand maestor of internet beaucracy? Do you realise what you ar saying now is extreme to the point of ridicule? There are innocents caught up in this due to their good intentions of critisizing. Do they deserve it too ser? When did I claim to be the lord of the Internet? Slayers Jessica is utilizing tools at her disposal (Korean law.) I didn't ask for her to violate human rights laws. The question is what made YOU the decider of morality and what is right and wrong here? 'Innocents' caught up in this? That's for the courts to decide, not me or you. Courts are brutal, it is a battlefield one would rather not see. Our Asian courts are not the same as those of you Americans. It's rather easy to get a guilty sentence. That's why the selection of the accused must be made carefully.
Okay, I can see that point, but nothing in the OP shows me anyone objectively innocent is being punished. If someone is saying, "I respectfully disagree with Jessica's choice of team members" and is being tried, okay that's going too far.
But at the end of the day, Jessica is not going after innocent orphan kids. People said something disrespectful one way or another. Whether you think they deserve it or not is moot. You aren't FORCED to post insults on the Internet. If Korean netizens don't like it, they are welcome to stop posting shit about people, or simply stop posting altogether.
We're so used to doing whatever the fuck we want on the Internet that the thought of any accountability is violently resisted. But like I said, these people said shit on the Internet they wouldn't dare say in real life. They're not 'innocent bystanders,' they're just slightly less rude and slightly less malicious.
On July 20 2011 08:03 EchoZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 07:51 Ocedic wrote:On July 20 2011 07:49 moonmeh wrote:
If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act.
And who made you the grand maestor of internet beaucracy? Do you realise what you ar saying now is extreme to the point of ridicule? There are innocents caught up in this due to their good intentions of critisizing. Do they deserve it too ser? When did I claim to be the lord of the Internet? Slayers Jessica is utilizing tools at her disposal (Korean law.) I didn't ask for her to violate human rights laws. The question is what made YOU the decider of morality and what is right and wrong here? 'Innocents' caught up in this? That's for the courts to decide, not me or you. On July 20 2011 07:48 EchoZ wrote:On July 20 2011 07:45 Ocedic wrote:On July 20 2011 07:01 OdiousTea wrote:
Wow, Jessica is pissed, but recruiting someone without any proven credentials is a legitimate cause for some critisism. Especially when Eve is part of the minority of esports.
It's not cause for threats or personal insults. Honestly I don't care what happens to those trolls, I hope they get punished to the fullest extent of Korean law. The op's point is that Jessica is being too indiscriminate, but I disagree. If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act. Some people think otherwise, or else their won't be a discussion anymore... What part of what I said implied that no one could discuss it? I'm sorry, I guess voicing my own opinion doesn't fit into what you call a 'discussion.' I guess I didn't make myself clear, I was actually agreeing with your statement, and was talking about the "who is right" discussion going on right now. No need to overreact like this...
I did misunderstand and overreact, I apologize.
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On July 20 2011 08:15 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 08:11 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 08:09 moonmeh wrote:Hopefully all this drama doesn't cause the girl to think twice about becoming a progamer. My fear too mate, all this bickering and attention can't be good for her. Bloody Jessica why did you bring her out so early? Communities are skeptics and easily go into mob mode. If you just had some results or replays for us it wouldn't have been this bad. I feel like she currently has no achievement to back her standing, other than that amy tournament. I would really like them to give her a chance to let her skills show for the audience to judge. Let's just hope it doesn't backfire, cuz I'm not sure if she can handle more of this.
She lacks stage experience, fielding her in her current state wouldn't be wise. I say that the chance of her winning a staged game currently is less than 13%
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On July 20 2011 08:11 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 08:09 moonmeh wrote:Hopefully all this drama doesn't cause the girl to think twice about becoming a progamer. My fear too mate, all this bickering and attention can't be good for her. Bloody Jessica why did you bring her out so early? Communities are skeptics and easily go into mob mode. If you just had some results or replays for us it wouldn't have been this bad. I feel like she currently has no achievement to back her standing, other than that amy tournament. I would really like them to give her a chance to let her skills show for the audience to judge.
True dat, I'm worried such a chance won't be coming soon. I mean a normal progamer's nerves are bad but you imagine being her thinking you are surrounded by haters and such. I mean even ladder games are a nightmare due to everyone knowing her ID. All the whispering that will inevitably come... Poor girl she didn't deserve this.
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Whats sad that if this was a guy, i'm pretty sure nobody would have cared. Can't people just leave Eve alone.
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On July 20 2011 07:40 zimz wrote:
she's acting like the thought police. and a control freak. i think she would be a good administrator working for a communist country.
I think she would be a good TL mod... I don't think 90% of this thread has read TL Ten Commandments. "Generic trolling will get you banned." If only this was enforced more.
I think it's great she is sticking up for her recruit/team. Regardless of if you think she is overreacting or not I would sure want her on my side.
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