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On July 20 2011 07:54 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 07:49 moonmeh wrote:
If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act.
And who made you the grand maestor of internet beaucracy? Do you realise what you ar saying now is extreme to the point of ridicule? There are innocents caught up in this due to their good intentions of critisizing. Do they deserve it too ser? There needs to be a clear division between brutal cyber attacks and critic fans who see Eve merely unfit for a team like SlayerS. Punish those who should be punished. But one should have a clear vision of those who are malicious in nature and those who are innocent.
No one deserves to be punished for making fun of her no matter how cruel they are. Excluding death threats and hacking, no one deserves to be punished. I cant believe how common and flippant people are now days with restrictions on freedom of speech. "BUT HER FEELINGS WERE REALLY HURT!"
What the fuck.
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On July 20 2011 08:15 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 07:57 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 07:51 Ocedic wrote:On July 20 2011 07:49 moonmeh wrote:
If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act.
And who made you the grand maestor of internet beaucracy? Do you realise what you ar saying now is extreme to the point of ridicule? There are innocents caught up in this due to their good intentions of critisizing. Do they deserve it too ser? When did I claim to be the lord of the Internet? Slayers Jessica is utilizing tools at her disposal (Korean law.) I didn't ask for her to violate human rights laws. The question is what made YOU the decider of morality and what is right and wrong here? 'Innocents' caught up in this? That's for the courts to decide, not me or you. Courts are brutal, it is a battlefield one would rather not see. Our Asian courts are not the same as those of you Americans. It's rather easy to get a guilty sentence. That's why the selection of the accused must be made carefully. Okay, I can see that point, but nothing in the OP shows me anyone objectively innocent is being punished. If someone is saying, "I respectfully disagree with Jessica's choice of team members" and is being tried, okay that's going too far.
Well there is the Haeun_Cielu incident I talked about a few pages back. He was a loyal fan who disgreed with the team member and how Jessican was handling things. She snapped at him so of course he snapped back. Then sometime later one what do you know he is getting tried! Thats the sort of person being caught up in this situation.
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On July 20 2011 08:17 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 08:15 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On July 20 2011 08:11 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 08:09 moonmeh wrote:Hopefully all this drama doesn't cause the girl to think twice about becoming a progamer. My fear too mate, all this bickering and attention can't be good for her. Bloody Jessica why did you bring her out so early? Communities are skeptics and easily go into mob mode. If you just had some results or replays for us it wouldn't have been this bad. I feel like she currently has no achievement to back her standing, other than that amy tournament. I would really like them to give her a chance to let her skills show for the audience to judge. Let's just hope it doesn't backfire, cuz I'm not sure if she can handle more of this. She lacks stage experience, fielding her in her current state wouldn't be wise. I say that the chance of her winning a staged game currently is less than 13%
If it's true that her actual skill level is diamond, her chances are extremely close to 0%.
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On July 20 2011 08:20 lizzard_warish wrote:
No one deserves to be punished for making fun of her no matter how cruel they are. Excluding death threats and hacking, no one deserves to be punished. I cant believe how common and flippant people are now days with restrictions on freedom of speech. "BUT HER FEELINGS WERE REALLY HURT!"
What the fuck.
So who's accountable when people commit suicide/vent their anger as a result of bullying? Cyber-bullying is the same.
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On July 20 2011 08:22 andrea20 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 08:20 lizzard_warish wrote:
No one deserves to be punished for making fun of her no matter how cruel they are. Excluding death threats and hacking, no one deserves to be punished. I cant believe how common and flippant people are now days with restrictions on freedom of speech. "BUT HER FEELINGS WERE REALLY HURT!"
What the fuck. So who's accountable when people commit suicide/vent their anger as a result of bullying? Cyber-bullying is the same. No one should be held accountable, not unless you were aware they were going to and did nothing.
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On July 20 2011 08:20 lizzard_warish wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 07:54 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 07:49 moonmeh wrote:
If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act.
And who made you the grand maestor of internet beaucracy? Do you realise what you ar saying now is extreme to the point of ridicule? There are innocents caught up in this due to their good intentions of critisizing. Do they deserve it too ser? There needs to be a clear division between brutal cyber attacks and critic fans who see Eve merely unfit for a team like SlayerS. Punish those who should be punished. But one should have a clear vision of those who are malicious in nature and those who are innocent. No one deserves to be punished for making fun of her no matter how cruel they are. Excluding death threats and hacking, no one deserves to be punished. I cant believe how common and flippant people are now days with restrictions on freedom of speech. "BUT HER FEELINGS WERE REALLY HURT!" What the fuck.
Well you know about the photo-shopped porno.....
All things with in moderations my good sir.
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On July 20 2011 07:40 zimz wrote:
she's acting like the thought police. and a control freak. i think she would be a good administrator working for a communist country.
How is openly voicing something akin to thought? Do you just throw Orwellian terms around as ad hominem?
Is someone holding a gun to people's heads and saying "Post your opinion on the Internet or you die"? If I went on national television and shouted a racial slur, I should be held accountable for what I say and act. Why should the Internet be any different?
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On July 20 2011 08:22 andrea20 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 08:20 lizzard_warish wrote:
No one deserves to be punished for making fun of her no matter how cruel they are. Excluding death threats and hacking, no one deserves to be punished. I cant believe how common and flippant people are now days with restrictions on freedom of speech. "BUT HER FEELINGS WERE REALLY HURT!"
What the fuck. So who's accountable when people commit suicide/vent their anger as a result of bullying? Cyber-bullying is the same.
If you kill yourself over mean things people said on the internet you have underlying problems. Nobody thinking rationally would even consider committing suicide over some photoshopped porn pics on the internet. I'm fairly certain most people that have done so were suffering from depression anyway or were teenagers crying for attention.
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On July 20 2011 08:21 InsaniaK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 08:17 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 08:15 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On July 20 2011 08:11 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 08:09 moonmeh wrote:Hopefully all this drama doesn't cause the girl to think twice about becoming a progamer. My fear too mate, all this bickering and attention can't be good for her. Bloody Jessica why did you bring her out so early? Communities are skeptics and easily go into mob mode. If you just had some results or replays for us it wouldn't have been this bad. I feel like she currently has no achievement to back her standing, other than that amy tournament. I would really like them to give her a chance to let her skills show for the audience to judge. Let's just hope it doesn't backfire, cuz I'm not sure if she can handle more of this. She lacks stage experience, fielding her in her current state wouldn't be wise. I say that the chance of her winning a staged game currently is less than 13% If it's true that her actual skill level is diamond, her chances are extremely close to 0%.
I am accounting for Build Order losses and Opponent being extremely over confident and greedy and doing stupid manner shit.
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On July 20 2011 08:23 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 08:20 lizzard_warish wrote:On July 20 2011 07:54 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 07:49 moonmeh wrote:
If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act.
And who made you the grand maestor of internet beaucracy? Do you realise what you ar saying now is extreme to the point of ridicule? There are innocents caught up in this due to their good intentions of critisizing. Do they deserve it too ser? There needs to be a clear division between brutal cyber attacks and critic fans who see Eve merely unfit for a team like SlayerS. Punish those who should be punished. But one should have a clear vision of those who are malicious in nature and those who are innocent. No one deserves to be punished for making fun of her no matter how cruel they are. Excluding death threats and hacking, no one deserves to be punished. I cant believe how common and flippant people are now days with restrictions on freedom of speech. "BUT HER FEELINGS WERE REALLY HURT!" What the fuck. Well you know about the photo-shopped porno..... All things with in moderations my good sir. No, not in freedom of speech. If you restrict it when someone says or does a distasteful act you have justification for the crap people pull frequently now a days. Was she "emotionally hurt?" then its illegal!
The law should not care if someone photoshopped a porno [except perhaps copyright infringment and the like].
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On July 20 2011 08:24 Odal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 08:22 andrea20 wrote:On July 20 2011 08:20 lizzard_warish wrote:
No one deserves to be punished for making fun of her no matter how cruel they are. Excluding death threats and hacking, no one deserves to be punished. I cant believe how common and flippant people are now days with restrictions on freedom of speech. "BUT HER FEELINGS WERE REALLY HURT!"
What the fuck. So who's accountable when people commit suicide/vent their anger as a result of bullying? Cyber-bullying is the same. If you kill yourself over mean things people said on the internet you have underlying problems. Nobody thinking rationally would even consider committing suicide over some photoshopped porn pics on the internet. I'm fairly certain most people that have done so were suffering from depression anyway or were teenagers crying for attention.
Still over the top things that are maliciously natured. Gotta walk that fine line.
Once again all things in moderation my good sir.
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On July 20 2011 08:26 lizzard_warish wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 08:23 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 08:20 lizzard_warish wrote:On July 20 2011 07:54 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 07:49 moonmeh wrote:
If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act.
And who made you the grand maestor of internet beaucracy? Do you realise what you ar saying now is extreme to the point of ridicule? There are innocents caught up in this due to their good intentions of critisizing. Do they deserve it too ser? There needs to be a clear division between brutal cyber attacks and critic fans who see Eve merely unfit for a team like SlayerS. Punish those who should be punished. But one should have a clear vision of those who are malicious in nature and those who are innocent. No one deserves to be punished for making fun of her no matter how cruel they are. Excluding death threats and hacking, no one deserves to be punished. I cant believe how common and flippant people are now days with restrictions on freedom of speech. "BUT HER FEELINGS WERE REALLY HURT!" What the fuck. Well you know about the photo-shopped porno..... All things with in moderations my good sir. No, not in freedom of speech. If you restrict it when someone says or does a distasteful act you have justification for the crap people pull frequently now a days. Was she "emotionally hurt?" then its illegal! The law should not care if someone photoshopped a porno [except perhaps copyright infringment and the like].
But sir, even in the constitutions of them Americans, slander is still illegal and outside the protection of the First Amendment
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On July 20 2011 08:22 andrea20 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 08:20 lizzard_warish wrote:
No one deserves to be punished for making fun of her no matter how cruel they are. Excluding death threats and hacking, no one deserves to be punished. I cant believe how common and flippant people are now days with restrictions on freedom of speech. "BUT HER FEELINGS WERE REALLY HURT!"
What the fuck. So who's accountable when people commit suicide/vent their anger as a result of bullying? Cyber-bullying is the same.
Umm...The person who committed suicide/vented their anger should probably be held accountable for their own actions. They chose to do whatever it is they did...that seems kind of obvious to me though
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On July 20 2011 08:15 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 07:57 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 07:51 Ocedic wrote:On July 20 2011 07:49 moonmeh wrote:
If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act.
And who made you the grand maestor of internet beaucracy? Do you realise what you ar saying now is extreme to the point of ridicule? There are innocents caught up in this due to their good intentions of critisizing. Do they deserve it too ser? When did I claim to be the lord of the Internet? Slayers Jessica is utilizing tools at her disposal (Korean law.) I didn't ask for her to violate human rights laws. The question is what made YOU the decider of morality and what is right and wrong here? 'Innocents' caught up in this? That's for the courts to decide, not me or you. Courts are brutal, it is a battlefield one would rather not see. Our Asian courts are not the same as those of you Americans. It's rather easy to get a guilty sentence. That's why the selection of the accused must be made carefully. Okay, I can see that point, but nothing in the OP shows me anyone objectively innocent is being punished. If someone is saying, "I respectfully disagree with Jessica's choice of team members" and is being tried, okay that's going too far.
Well there is the Haeun_Cielu incident I talked about a few pages back. He was a loyal fan who disgreed with the team member and how Jessican was handling things. She snapped at him so of course he snapped back. Then sometime later one what do you know he is getting tried! Thats the sort of person being caught up in this situation.
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On July 20 2011 08:24 Odal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 08:22 andrea20 wrote:On July 20 2011 08:20 lizzard_warish wrote:
No one deserves to be punished for making fun of her no matter how cruel they are. Excluding death threats and hacking, no one deserves to be punished. I cant believe how common and flippant people are now days with restrictions on freedom of speech. "BUT HER FEELINGS WERE REALLY HURT!"
What the fuck. So who's accountable when people commit suicide/vent their anger as a result of bullying? Cyber-bullying is the same. If you kill yourself over mean things people said on the internet you have underlying problems. Nobody thinking rationally would even consider committing suicide over some photoshopped porn pics on the internet. I'm fairly certain most people that have done so were suffering from depression anyway or were teenagers crying for attention.
Yes, people who commit suicide over cyber bullying and bullying in general do have self esteem issues. But that's blaming the victim. You're acting as if bullying serves a purpose to humanity and that people committing suicide are just unfortunate incidental damage to something that otherwise betters society as a whole.
Maybe you'll feel differently if you ever have a kid who gets bullied at school. If he or she commits suicide, would you feel the same way?
On July 20 2011 08:26 lizzard_warish wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 08:23 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 08:20 lizzard_warish wrote:On July 20 2011 07:54 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 07:49 moonmeh wrote:
If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act.
And who made you the grand maestor of internet beaucracy? Do you realise what you ar saying now is extreme to the point of ridicule? There are innocents caught up in this due to their good intentions of critisizing. Do they deserve it too ser? There needs to be a clear division between brutal cyber attacks and critic fans who see Eve merely unfit for a team like SlayerS. Punish those who should be punished. But one should have a clear vision of those who are malicious in nature and those who are innocent. No one deserves to be punished for making fun of her no matter how cruel they are. Excluding death threats and hacking, no one deserves to be punished. I cant believe how common and flippant people are now days with restrictions on freedom of speech. "BUT HER FEELINGS WERE REALLY HURT!" What the fuck. Well you know about the photo-shopped porno..... All things with in moderations my good sir. No, not in freedom of speech. If you restrict it when someone says or does a distasteful act you have justification for the crap people pull frequently now a days. Was she "emotionally hurt?" then its illegal! The law should not care if someone photoshopped a porno [except perhaps copyright infringment and the like].
Freedom of speech has its limitations. Namely, freedom of speech is important because otherwise those in power (as in, politicians) would be immune to criticism and impeachment. Freedom of speech isn't for protecting someone's right to act like a douchebag.
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On July 20 2011 08:20 lizzard_warish wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 07:54 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 07:49 moonmeh wrote:
If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act.
And who made you the grand maestor of internet beaucracy? Do you realise what you ar saying now is extreme to the point of ridicule? There are innocents caught up in this due to their good intentions of critisizing. Do they deserve it too ser? There needs to be a clear division between brutal cyber attacks and critic fans who see Eve merely unfit for a team like SlayerS. Punish those who should be punished. But one should have a clear vision of those who are malicious in nature and those who are innocent. No one deserves to be punished for making fun of her no matter how cruel they are. Excluding death threats and hacking, no one deserves to be punished. I cant believe how common and flippant people are now days with restrictions on freedom of speech. "BUT HER FEELINGS WERE REALLY HURT!" What the fuck.
The biggest threat to freedom of speech is the people who abuse it.
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On July 20 2011 08:22 andrea20 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 08:20 lizzard_warish wrote:
No one deserves to be punished for making fun of her no matter how cruel they are. Excluding death threats and hacking, no one deserves to be punished. I cant believe how common and flippant people are now days with restrictions on freedom of speech. "BUT HER FEELINGS WERE REALLY HURT!"
What the fuck. So who's accountable when people commit suicide/vent their anger as a result of bullying? Cyber-bullying is the same.
This isn't bullying. These aren't comments she's forced to look at, nor posted in any place she would struggle to avoid. The healthy and wise decision is to simply ignore a cesspool.
ffs, if someone is that childishly fragile about the opinions found on the internet, there's even parental controls built into browsers.
On July 20 2011 08:29 Lord_J wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 08:20 lizzard_warish wrote:On July 20 2011 07:54 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 07:49 moonmeh wrote:
If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act.
And who made you the grand maestor of internet beaucracy? Do you realise what you ar saying now is extreme to the point of ridicule? There are innocents caught up in this due to their good intentions of critisizing. Do they deserve it too ser? There needs to be a clear division between brutal cyber attacks and critic fans who see Eve merely unfit for a team like SlayerS. Punish those who should be punished. But one should have a clear vision of those who are malicious in nature and those who are innocent. No one deserves to be punished for making fun of her no matter how cruel they are. Excluding death threats and hacking, no one deserves to be punished. I cant believe how common and flippant people are now days with restrictions on freedom of speech. "BUT HER FEELINGS WERE REALLY HURT!" What the fuck. The biggest threat to freedom of speech is the people who abuse it.
NO. Absolutely wrong.
There is no such thing as "abuse" of freedom of speech. That's why it's a freedom.
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On July 20 2011 08:29 Lord_J wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 08:20 lizzard_warish wrote:On July 20 2011 07:54 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 07:49 moonmeh wrote:
If the things said online are something they wouldn't otherwise dare say in person, then they deserve what's coming to them, even if they're not on the same level as sexual harassment. The Internet is a fucking cesspool and there needs to be some fear in people to think about how they act.
And who made you the grand maestor of internet beaucracy? Do you realise what you ar saying now is extreme to the point of ridicule? There are innocents caught up in this due to their good intentions of critisizing. Do they deserve it too ser? There needs to be a clear division between brutal cyber attacks and critic fans who see Eve merely unfit for a team like SlayerS. Punish those who should be punished. But one should have a clear vision of those who are malicious in nature and those who are innocent. No one deserves to be punished for making fun of her no matter how cruel they are. Excluding death threats and hacking, no one deserves to be punished. I cant believe how common and flippant people are now days with restrictions on freedom of speech. "BUT HER FEELINGS WERE REALLY HURT!" What the fuck. The biggest threat to freedom of speech is the people who abuse it.
You mean by saying what they want to say? How is that abuse? If you can't say what you want to say...you aren't actually free..
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On July 20 2011 08:23 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 07:40 zimz wrote:
she's acting like the thought police. and a control freak. i think she would be a good administrator working for a communist country. How is openly voicing something akin to thought? Do you just throw Orwellian terms around as ad hominem? Is someone holding a gun to people's heads and saying "Post your opinion on the Internet or you die"? If I went on national television and shouted a racial slur, I should be held accountable for what I say and act. Why should the Internet be any different?
Please check some of the twitter translations I did. The way she was threatning people and going all beserk people for critisizing her english (that she was never tagged in) and snapping at legitimate criticisms very crazy. I wouldn't go far as a communist country but she does have a control freak vibe on her twitter.
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