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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
September 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#1041
On September 06 2011 07:14 Raeph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 06:47 Sphaero wrote:
On September 06 2011 04:19 Golgotha wrote:
I think Tzain is underrated


Really? Pretty much everywhere I look (especially on TL), he is considered the best non korean Terran, which fits his skill level and his results.

My pick is a player, who is actually very succesful and widely known, but doesn´t get the respect he deserves: Socke.

Despite not having one big pay day aka major international title yet, he is the 4th highest non korean earner, when it comes to price money (behind White-Ra, HuK and NaNi). This alone should speak volumes about his consistency.

Since MLG Raleigh in August 2010, where he left the first big expression on the world scene with a 3rd place, the guy has delivered in nearly every major lan tournament he attended:

Top 8 in both DH´s
Top 6 in IEM Kiev and Top 4 in IEM Cologne
Top 4 Assembly Winter
Top 6 MLG Dallas 2011

All finishes in the money. The only lans, where he really underperformed were IEM Hannover (still took a 3 hour tie-breaker to stop him from advancing) and the last MLG he attended.

On top of that come several titles and high finishes online, success at lesser known lans like the Gadget Inv. in England and ESL Torneo in Spain and of course his two titles in the German EPS (which itself featured every high level german player and some EU heavywheights like Cloud and Demuslim).

Now with this all in mind, some people want to tell me, that he doesn´t even belong to the Top EU protoss players, that he isn´t on the same level as players like Sase, Hasu or Mana (nothing against them, they are all great, but haven´t more accomplished than Socke)?

He is nearly always despicted as the underdog in match ups against other high level foreigners. A good example is the Shoutcraft Inv. II, where the suprise was great for the casters (the only thing that bothered me in an otherwise great event), when he defeated Nerchio, Sheth and later won the whole thing. I didn´t understand it, because he was actually the most accomplished in the whole line-up.

For over a year now with lots of game changing patches (like the removal of the KA), shifts in the meta game and upcoming and downgoing stars, the guy plays at the highest level outside Korea. He never hit a real slump, has positive win rates in every match up in over 700 games, which due to the fact, that he frequently plays only major lans and invitationals, are against mostly other top players.

For me, he belongs to the ten best non koreans overall and is surely not treated like one.


I share your opionion. I have the feeling that almost nowbody who isn't out of germany is a fan of him and I really don't no why. He is not only a really good and consistend Player but also a very nice guy who speaks better then the most over not native speaker so he has also the chance to talk to his fans.

I hope he can do well in the SCI 3 again so maybe finally he gets some more recognition.


Socke is considered one of the best foreign toss, but still a bit away from being one of the best foreigners. I think its a fair rating of him. He isn't underrated, unless you think he is as good as huk/naniwa.
Dimon87
Profile Joined January 2011
218 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-05 22:25:14
September 05 2011 22:21 GMT
#1042
You have probably heard of him.... i think he is kinda underrated!

Oh and also SaSe! definitely SaSe

Edit: To give one of each race im gonna go with Nerchio, atleast outside of europe
Immersion_
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom794 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-05 22:25:04
September 05 2011 22:23 GMT
#1043
Me

And sorry if that's been done. Imo Jinro is underrated at the moment, he just needs to get his head straight, SjoW also I think people think he's good...but he's better than good!
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Ghola
Profile Joined March 2011
United States55 Posts
September 05 2011 22:24 GMT
#1044
Haypro is pretty underrated.
TearsOfTheSun
Profile Joined March 2006
Canada995 Posts
September 05 2011 22:24 GMT
#1045
Leenock. he just has terrible luck =[
Dixer_ca^^ | Polt | Byun | MKP | DRG | White-Ra | Beastyqt | Maru | Creator
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
September 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#1046
Artosis

He gets so much hate for his poor performance EG NASL, and people say he should go back to casting, but he can actually be good.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
mannerplease
Profile Joined February 2011
10 Posts
September 05 2011 22:57 GMT
#1047
I don't think HongUn has been mentioned a lot. Everybody knows he's solid, but he sort of gets overlooked as Code S mainstay who's going to get beat up by a legitimate champion. Tastosis usually make fun of him, although I've seen him shock them many times ( vs Zenio, vs MC).

I think the reason people look past him is that he plays a somewhat sloppy style, but somehow induces his opponent to do the same. I don't mean sloppy micro, just sloppy overall game decisions. You rarely see him get into the standard base split and slowly achieve a dominant position. Instead he will use a bunch of blink stalkers to kill way more than even makes sense, and his opponent will be caught off guard and just lose. Or a bunch of other dirty wins. I've seen so many games of his where you want to attribute his win to his opponent making really stupid mistakes, but I've seen so many players totally screw up against him that at this point I have to say he somehow brings it out of his opponents.

He also has a lot of fun builds and his signature mass blink stalkers works infinitely better when he does it than when anyone else does it.

I can honestly see him winning GSL, but the only opponent I can never see him beating is Nestea. It's just a bad matchup for him because Nestea is too consistent and his PvZ is definitely HongUn's worst matchup. Even amazing champions with sick micro like MC or MVP seem vunerable to the occasional blunder in confusing situations, but Nestea just seems too steady to lose the type of goofy games that HongUn wants to win. If Nestea gets knocked out by someone else though, I think HongUn is going to pick off one of these GSLs.
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
September 05 2011 23:01 GMT
#1048
tod and inka, they are up and coming protoss players. they want success really badly, and every time they try and fail they start whining and bming more on ladder.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
lachy89
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia264 Posts
September 05 2011 23:15 GMT
#1049
I'm going to go with SaSe. Haven't seen him play a whole lot yet, but have been really impressed with the builds he was going.
-dcLookAtThis-
Profile Joined June 2011
United States42 Posts
September 05 2011 23:18 GMT
#1050
Me :p

Not but in all seriousness I would have to say SaSe, he is amazing to watch. Great builds as well.
Twitch.tv/insane521 check it out :D
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
September 05 2011 23:18 GMT
#1051
BitByBit is pretty good.
Soulish
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1403 Posts
September 05 2011 23:20 GMT
#1052
russian happy is pretty good I think
me all in, he drone drone drone, me win
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
September 05 2011 23:22 GMT
#1053
Nada. Tornado Terran + Hellions?
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
b0ngt0ss
Profile Joined July 2011
259 Posts
September 05 2011 23:23 GMT
#1054
On September 06 2011 08:18 Cokefreak wrote:
BitByBit is pretty good.

He's top 5 terran in korea easy.
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
September 05 2011 23:41 GMT
#1055
For what I see in Sase's stream, he really is underrated. I would say, Stephano but he becomes more famous lately. Then, Tarson, not the first name when it comes to terrans, but always in top 4 of big events.
Cocoba
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada352 Posts
September 05 2011 23:42 GMT
#1056
NesTea xD
:D
MacroNcheesE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States508 Posts
September 05 2011 23:55 GMT
#1057
Draco! If he ever starts playing SC2 T_T.
Doubt is the venom that has paralyzed humanity.
TheTrueAmerican
Profile Joined April 2011
United States132 Posts
September 05 2011 23:59 GMT
#1058
how is sase underrated? sase was GIVEN a code A spot for god sake. not just anyone is given a spot with no MLG results.
Makura
Profile Joined December 2010
United States317 Posts
September 06 2011 00:03 GMT
#1059
moon
SHOW THEM WHAT THE CATFISH COMBO IS ALL ABOUT!
Noev
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1105 Posts
September 06 2011 00:05 GMT
#1060
On September 06 2011 07:24 Ghola wrote:
Haypro is pretty underrated.


Totally agree he is a great player but does not get a lot of attention. He will have his breakout win soon and then the world will see his potential
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