EPTOn July 18 2011 03:52 King of Kings wrote:
MVP_Keen
MVP_Keen
Someone knew it. I hope Keen improves his TvT, then he's got a chance to win a GSL. :>
Players You Think Are Underrated - Page 52
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nougdp
Germany144 Posts
Someone knew it. I hope Keen improves his TvT, then he's got a chance to win a GSL. :> | ||
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Superpower
Australia212 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
EDIT - when i talk about both i mean grubby and ISTime, not Hwangsin. Hwangsin is a beast at everything and he is less unknown and more of lesser player in terms of his team (Gosu) and his winnings aren't amazing but i've seen him practicing hard. | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Now that TOP has made the finals he probably won't be underrated anymore, but before his win against Polt he definitely was. No fanclub until today and look at liquibet and the poll in the sidebar. In all likelihood his skill has been on the same tier of more popular terrans like MMA, Nada, sC, Polt and Byun but never had a breakout moment until now. | ||
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PopcornColonel
United States769 Posts
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FataLe
New Zealand4560 Posts
On September 06 2011 06:34 Superpower wrote: There is definitely alot of talent from the SEA ( south east asia) players like jazbas, mafis, pig and light/bluelight, go on youtube and search up some of their games JazBas ftw :D | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4560 Posts
On September 06 2011 04:23 DrPhilOfdOOm wrote: What do you like in TT1? he is a complete douchebag. Personality isn't the only thing you rate a progamer on dood. | ||
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bitt
Brazil1 Post
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On September 06 2011 06:38 docvoc wrote: I'd say grubby, hwangsin, vVvTitan, ISTime or any one of the new up and coming high masters / low gm players that are really coming of age recently. I've watched time and grubby completely roll high level koreans, granted both of their PvT needs a bit of work. However, 38% of players are zerg now according to new polls and all the tosses i mentioned are incredible at pvz. In regards to Titan, he is going to be the next Idra, hard droning, less BM, and a lot more willingness to change than Idra, i see him going far. Titan, hard droning and plays like idra? WHAT? I honestly can't think of a zerg that plays LESS like idra than titan. | ||
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Sphaero
Germany1697 Posts
On September 06 2011 04:19 Golgotha wrote: I think Tzain is underrated Really? Pretty much everywhere I look (especially on TL), he is considered the best non korean Terran, which fits his skill level and his results. My pick is a player, who is actually very succesful and widely known, but doesn´t get the respect he deserves: Socke. Despite not having one big pay day aka major international title yet, he is the 4th highest non korean earner, when it comes to price money (behind White-Ra, HuK and NaNi). This alone should speak volumes about his consistency. Since MLG Raleigh in August 2010, where he left the first big expression on the world scene with a 3rd place, the guy has delivered in nearly every major lan tournament he attended: Top 8 in both DH´s Top 6 in IEM Kiev and Top 4 in IEM Cologne Top 4 Assembly Winter Top 6 MLG Dallas 2011 All finishes in the money. The only lans, where he really underperformed were IEM Hannover (still took a 3 hour tie-breaker to stop him from advancing) and the last MLG he attended. On top of that come several titles and high finishes online, success at lesser known lans like the Gadget Inv. in England and ESL Torneo in Spain and of course his two titles in the German EPS (which itself featured every high level german player and some EU heavywheights like Cloud and Demuslim). Now with this all in mind, some people want to tell me, that he doesn´t even belong to the Top EU protoss players, that he isn´t on the same level as players like Sase, Hasu or Mana (nothing against them, they are all great, but haven´t more accomplished than Socke)? He is nearly always despicted as the underdog in match ups against other high level foreigners. A good example is the Shoutcraft Inv. II, where the suprise was great for the casters (the only thing that bothered me in an otherwise great event), when he defeated Nerchio, Sheth and later won the whole thing. I didn´t understand it, because he was actually the most accomplished in the whole line-up. For over a year now with lots of game changing patches (like the removal of the KA), shifts in the meta game and upcoming and downgoing stars, the guy plays at the highest level outside Korea. He never hit a real slump, has positive win rates in every match up in over 700 games, which due to the fact, that he frequently plays only major lans and invitationals, are against mostly other top players. For me, he belongs to the ten best non koreans overall and is surely not treated like one. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4560 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On September 06 2011 06:41 red4ce wrote: GSL semifinals spoiler + Show Spoiler + Now that TOP has made the finals he probably won't be underrated anymore, but before his win against Polt he definitely was. No fanclub until today and look at liquibet and the poll in the sidebar. In all likelihood his skill has been on the same tier of more popular terrans like MMA, Nada, sC, Polt and Byun but never had a breakout moment until now. Top isn't very good. His a mediocore code s player he got a lucky bracket. He has good macro but his control is lacking. Polt is the complete opposite, bad macro and good control. Neither player should be considered top 5 terrans in korea. | ||
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SiN]
United States540 Posts
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binski
United States225 Posts
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Marinechan
Sweden71 Posts
One of the best micro'er I've ever seen. | ||
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Hypoxia
United States31 Posts
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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Jandos
Czech Republic928 Posts
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Raeph
Germany61 Posts
On September 06 2011 06:47 Sphaero wrote: Really? Pretty much everywhere I look (especially on TL), he is considered the best non korean Terran, which fits his skill level and his results. My pick is a player, who is actually very succesful and widely known, but doesn´t get the respect he deserves: Socke. Despite not having one big pay day aka major international title yet, he is the 4th highest non korean earner, when it comes to price money (behind White-Ra, HuK and NaNi). This alone should speak volumes about his consistency. Since MLG Raleigh in August 2010, where he left the first big expression on the world scene with a 3rd place, the guy has delivered in nearly every major lan tournament he attended: Top 8 in both DH´s Top 6 in IEM Kiev and Top 4 in IEM Cologne Top 4 Assembly Winter Top 6 MLG Dallas 2011 All finishes in the money. The only lans, where he really underperformed were IEM Hannover (still took a 3 hour tie-breaker to stop him from advancing) and the last MLG he attended. On top of that come several titles and high finishes online, success at lesser known lans like the Gadget Inv. in England and ESL Torneo in Spain and of course his two titles in the German EPS (which itself featured every high level german player and some EU heavywheights like Cloud and Demuslim). Now with this all in mind, some people want to tell me, that he doesn´t even belong to the Top EU protoss players, that he isn´t on the same level as players like Sase, Hasu or Mana (nothing against them, they are all great, but haven´t more accomplished than Socke)? He is nearly always despicted as the underdog in match ups against other high level foreigners. A good example is the Shoutcraft Inv. II, where the suprise was great for the casters (the only thing that bothered me in an otherwise great event), when he defeated Nerchio, Sheth and later won the whole thing. I didn´t understand it, because he was actually the most accomplished in the whole line-up. For over a year now with lots of game changing patches (like the removal of the KA), shifts in the meta game and upcoming and downgoing stars, the guy plays at the highest level outside Korea. He never hit a real slump, has positive win rates in every match up in over 700 games, which due to the fact, that he frequently plays only major lans and invitationals, are against mostly other top players. For me, he belongs to the ten best non koreans overall and is surely not treated like one. I share your opionion. I have the feeling that almost nowbody who isn't out of germany is a fan of him and I really don't no why. He is not only a really good and consistend Player but also a very nice guy who speaks better then the most over not native speaker so he has also the chance to talk to his fans. I hope he can do well in the SCI 3 again so maybe finally he gets some more recognition. | ||
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