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On July 13 2011 03:24 Jampackedeon wrote:
First, let me just say that the season improved vastly from beginning to end (minus the issue of keeping matches important, which I will discuss below). Casters meshed, production was wildly better, and less walkovers in the second half all made it a solid show to sit down and watch on the days I could make, and largely the players invited were worth watching just to see good games.
Now, here are my two complaints as most of what Xeris said matches with my desired improvements:
1) the VODs are very hard to navigate, take forever to load, and prone to crashing my browser (and I have tried 3 different ones). In addition the site is a little clunky, though in general I found that I did more than just click VOD links and watch the JTV broadcast from the index page, which was good to discover.
2) The regular season is just a little too long, I believe it will be a week shorter next time which is good and with less players, but I would like to see a quicker elimination of players who are failing to make the cut in order to decrease the number of games (without taking away from their awesomeness).
For instance, if you start eliminating players after week 4, or something, you can add way more urgency, importance to viewers and players by creating the need to catch your player and support them or help players discover some extra drive instead of slowly boiling like a toad who doesn't see its end coming . It will also add the thrill of seeing players battle on the edge of making the cut, I can see some real heroes being created with this method.
as they already answered the idea is to watch the players you like throughout the season. you might not like a player that has not been playing very well but someone might still see all of his games no matter what. For example mc would be eliminated in season 1 by your way of seing it, because he started off really badly. do you think it would be a good thing to eliminate mc(who got to the finals)?
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I am quite satisfied with NASL overall. I did not purchase a season pass and still got to enjoy a bunch of games during the season and watched some awesome games in the finals. Thanks for everything NASL staff!
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On July 13 2011 03:16 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 03:13 Bobster wrote:On July 13 2011 03:10 MrNomad wrote:On July 12 2011 15:42 Excalibur_Z wrote:
That, to me, was NASL Season 1. It was like you had a grandiose idea for an awesome league, but the transition between the brainstorming phase and actual planning and delegation hit like a brick wall. Get a paid, qualified staff with experience in the field of editing and post-production. Get experienced department leaders who can manage their teams effectively, report issues to you upfront and provide their suggestions for improvement. Run it like the business it should be -- and needs to be in order to succeed. Volunteers and hopeful dreamers are no substitute for proven, experienced, career-minded professionals. Listen to their feedback and take it to heart.
You can dismiss this post as "hate" all you like, and you can shirk the blame all you like. You, Gretorp, and Inc are the faces of NASL whether you expected to be or not, and you guys are the ones who will be held collectively responsible for the positive or negative results of your league. All I know is that if my name is attached to something, I want to be its harshest critic and demand perfection at every turn.
The good news is that by changing things up, Season 2 can be a lot better. You've already received some constructive criticism in this thread and others, don't just ignore it because you think people are being hateful. What's funny is i have 5 years production experience in broadcasting and even sent NASL my resume yet they ignored it and then put on that attrocity of a broadcast. It speaks to how much they want their product to succeed. They received an email (if not multiple ones) from experienced staff and chose what seemed like some stoner kids from the backlot of a Pizza Hut. Nepotism in action, baby! You think Anna and the blond girl got the interview job because they're great interviewers? Rachel is pretty well known in the community and CSN has provided so much great content from Korea, and Anna is the current Miss Oregon. There's no doubting their interview skills.
See, this is stupid. The fact that you're still making posts like this tells me you've completely missed the point. Yes, they've done stuff before. Doing CSN content is meaningful experience. I really don't know how being Miss Oregon is particularly relevant, but Anna has done some interviews before and so forth. I didn't have a problem with them (though Lindsey or whatever was pretty special), but the definition of a good performance is one that the audience likes. If you have a lot of your audience saying they didn't like their interviews, then saying "there's no doubting their interview skills" is just factually wrong. You can make an informed judgement that with time most people will like the interviews, or that they do now and these people are a minority, but you can't just post saying that they're just factually wrong and how dare they question you. It frankly doesn't matter at all what you think of their interviews or what other experience they have that you think is relevant. What matters is what the audience thinks. The audience opinion can't actually be wrong, and these posters are just expressing their opinion as part of the audience. The only reason things like "they've done interviews" before matter is because it's a sign that the audience is likely to actually like them.
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On July 13 2011 03:16 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 03:13 Bobster wrote:On July 13 2011 03:10 MrNomad wrote:On July 12 2011 15:42 Excalibur_Z wrote:
That, to me, was NASL Season 1. It was like you had a grandiose idea for an awesome league, but the transition between the brainstorming phase and actual planning and delegation hit like a brick wall. Get a paid, qualified staff with experience in the field of editing and post-production. Get experienced department leaders who can manage their teams effectively, report issues to you upfront and provide their suggestions for improvement. Run it like the business it should be -- and needs to be in order to succeed. Volunteers and hopeful dreamers are no substitute for proven, experienced, career-minded professionals. Listen to their feedback and take it to heart.
You can dismiss this post as "hate" all you like, and you can shirk the blame all you like. You, Gretorp, and Inc are the faces of NASL whether you expected to be or not, and you guys are the ones who will be held collectively responsible for the positive or negative results of your league. All I know is that if my name is attached to something, I want to be its harshest critic and demand perfection at every turn.
The good news is that by changing things up, Season 2 can be a lot better. You've already received some constructive criticism in this thread and others, don't just ignore it because you think people are being hateful. What's funny is i have 5 years production experience in broadcasting and even sent NASL my resume yet they ignored it and then put on that attrocity of a broadcast. It speaks to how much they want their product to succeed. They received an email (if not multiple ones) from experienced staff and chose what seemed like some stoner kids from the backlot of a Pizza Hut. Nepotism in action, baby! You think Anna and the blond girl got the interview job because they're great interviewers? Rachel is pretty well known in the community and CSN has provided so much great content from Korea, and Anna is the current Miss Oregon. There's no doubting their interview skills.
I agree. Winning a competition more or less based around standing around in a swimsuit and hoping for world peace translates directly to great interviewing skills. The audio engineer got hired because he's won a local line dancing event?
I mean, come on, you've been getting criticism for not hiring the right people for the job for ages, and now we get answers like this.
(Not a dig at the interviewer girl (anna?), but at miss-whatever elections in general)
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I also agree that it would have been tacky to let someone other than Gretorp and InControl cast the finals. For better or worse, they were the face of NASL season 1. Don't get me wrong; I dislike Gre as a caster, but subbing them out would have been wrong.
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On July 13 2011 03:01 OCsurfeR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 02:56 Eternalmisfit wrote:
There is a lack of apology even in this post and at this point, I can say we can agree to disagree on what good or bad PR and customer service is. Good luck with season 2 and I hope for your sake that despite your posts, you can realize the issue at hand and hopefully not make the same mistakes in the future. Peace out.
You're right, I didn't include a formal apology, so here it is: On behalf of the entire North American Star League staff, we apologize to the entire SC2 community for changing our Sunday schedule at the last second. We realize this adversely affected some viewers, and we will work hard to ensure the mistake is not repeated in future events. We are thankful and blessed to have such a passionate fan base which was reflected in the 84,000+ fans who watched the Championship match. We will continue to improve and your continued support is appreciated.
Thank you.
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On July 13 2011 03:37 aristarchus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 03:16 Xeris wrote:On July 13 2011 03:13 Bobster wrote:On July 13 2011 03:10 MrNomad wrote:On July 12 2011 15:42 Excalibur_Z wrote:
That, to me, was NASL Season 1. It was like you had a grandiose idea for an awesome league, but the transition between the brainstorming phase and actual planning and delegation hit like a brick wall. Get a paid, qualified staff with experience in the field of editing and post-production. Get experienced department leaders who can manage their teams effectively, report issues to you upfront and provide their suggestions for improvement. Run it like the business it should be -- and needs to be in order to succeed. Volunteers and hopeful dreamers are no substitute for proven, experienced, career-minded professionals. Listen to their feedback and take it to heart.
You can dismiss this post as "hate" all you like, and you can shirk the blame all you like. You, Gretorp, and Inc are the faces of NASL whether you expected to be or not, and you guys are the ones who will be held collectively responsible for the positive or negative results of your league. All I know is that if my name is attached to something, I want to be its harshest critic and demand perfection at every turn.
The good news is that by changing things up, Season 2 can be a lot better. You've already received some constructive criticism in this thread and others, don't just ignore it because you think people are being hateful. What's funny is i have 5 years production experience in broadcasting and even sent NASL my resume yet they ignored it and then put on that attrocity of a broadcast. It speaks to how much they want their product to succeed. They received an email (if not multiple ones) from experienced staff and chose what seemed like some stoner kids from the backlot of a Pizza Hut. Nepotism in action, baby! You think Anna and the blond girl got the interview job because they're great interviewers? Rachel is pretty well known in the community and CSN has provided so much great content from Korea, and Anna is the current Miss Oregon. There's no doubting their interview skills. See, this is stupid. The fact that you're still making posts like this tells me you've completely missed the point. Yes, they've done stuff before. Doing CSN content is meaningful experience. I really don't know how being Miss Oregon is particularly relevant, but Anna has done some interviews before and so forth. I didn't have a problem with them (though Lindsey or whatever was pretty special), but the definition of a good performance is one that the audience likes. If you have a lot of your audience saying they didn't like their interviews, then saying "there's no doubting their interview skills" is just factually wrong. You can make an informed judgement that with time most people will like the interviews, or that they do now and these people are a minority, but you can't just post saying that they're just factually wrong and how dare they question you. It frankly doesn't matter at all what you think of their interviews or what other experience they have that you think is relevant. What matters is what the audience thinks. The audience opinion can't actually be wrong, and these posters are just expressing their opinion as part of the audience. The only reason things like "they've done interviews" before matter is because it's a sign that the audience is likely to actually like them.
Anna has over 2 years of experience interviewing Starcraft players (the first time I remember her was at WCG USA 2009 interviewing people). Rachel has done a LOT of interviewing through her time in Korea. I was responding to the fact that people think it's just nepotism, but it isn't. We brought them to the event to do interviews because they've done a lot of it before.
I've read that a lot of people would rather have someone like Artosis or Day9 doing interviews rather than Anna/Rachel. This point is being taken into consideration for future events. Again, I was responding to people simply saying "they're only here because of nepotism," they were there because of their experience.
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Regardless of all the haters (even from prominent members of the community, which is pretty disappointing to me), we're going to keep plugging away.
This comment here shows me that you guys still don't get it. You're taking people who were critical and lumping them into this group. At the end of the day, none of these people want NASL to fail, they just want a great product and you simply failed to deliver this season. Especially after the way the NASL was hyped and billed as the premier tournament in NA.
What if great companies out there just dismissed customer's complaints as "well, they're just haters." Poor business thinking my friend. I count myself among the critics. I paid my $25 and expected to get a great product and felt that it fell short of that. I will be waiting to see how you address things in season two, but I think you and the NASL leaders need to change how you view your customers.
Best of luck and season 2. As a customer of season one and potential customer in season 2, I will be keeping a watchful eye.
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On July 13 2011 03:45 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 03:37 aristarchus wrote:On July 13 2011 03:16 Xeris wrote:On July 13 2011 03:13 Bobster wrote:On July 13 2011 03:10 MrNomad wrote:On July 12 2011 15:42 Excalibur_Z wrote:
That, to me, was NASL Season 1. It was like you had a grandiose idea for an awesome league, but the transition between the brainstorming phase and actual planning and delegation hit like a brick wall. Get a paid, qualified staff with experience in the field of editing and post-production. Get experienced department leaders who can manage their teams effectively, report issues to you upfront and provide their suggestions for improvement. Run it like the business it should be -- and needs to be in order to succeed. Volunteers and hopeful dreamers are no substitute for proven, experienced, career-minded professionals. Listen to their feedback and take it to heart.
You can dismiss this post as "hate" all you like, and you can shirk the blame all you like. You, Gretorp, and Inc are the faces of NASL whether you expected to be or not, and you guys are the ones who will be held collectively responsible for the positive or negative results of your league. All I know is that if my name is attached to something, I want to be its harshest critic and demand perfection at every turn.
The good news is that by changing things up, Season 2 can be a lot better. You've already received some constructive criticism in this thread and others, don't just ignore it because you think people are being hateful. What's funny is i have 5 years production experience in broadcasting and even sent NASL my resume yet they ignored it and then put on that attrocity of a broadcast. It speaks to how much they want their product to succeed. They received an email (if not multiple ones) from experienced staff and chose what seemed like some stoner kids from the backlot of a Pizza Hut. Nepotism in action, baby! You think Anna and the blond girl got the interview job because they're great interviewers? Rachel is pretty well known in the community and CSN has provided so much great content from Korea, and Anna is the current Miss Oregon. There's no doubting their interview skills. See, this is stupid. The fact that you're still making posts like this tells me you've completely missed the point. Yes, they've done stuff before. Doing CSN content is meaningful experience. I really don't know how being Miss Oregon is particularly relevant, but Anna has done some interviews before and so forth. I didn't have a problem with them (though Lindsey or whatever was pretty special), but the definition of a good performance is one that the audience likes. If you have a lot of your audience saying they didn't like their interviews, then saying "there's no doubting their interview skills" is just factually wrong. You can make an informed judgement that with time most people will like the interviews, or that they do now and these people are a minority, but you can't just post saying that they're just factually wrong and how dare they question you. It frankly doesn't matter at all what you think of their interviews or what other experience they have that you think is relevant. What matters is what the audience thinks. The audience opinion can't actually be wrong, and these posters are just expressing their opinion as part of the audience. The only reason things like "they've done interviews" before matter is because it's a sign that the audience is likely to actually like them. Anna has over 2 years of experience interviewing Starcraft players (the first time I remember her was at WCG USA 2009 interviewing people). Rachel has done a LOT of interviewing through her time in Korea. I was responding to the fact that people think it's just nepotism, but it isn't. We brought them to the event to do interviews because they've done a lot of it before. I've read that a lot of people would rather have someone like Artosis or Day9 doing interviews rather than Anna/Rachel. This point is being taken into consideration for future events. Again, I was responding to people simply saying "they're only here because of nepotism," they were there because of their experience.
Then say that Anna has 2 years of experience interviewing Starcraft players instead of saying that she is Miss Oregon. I don't really see how that was relevant at all, and it was pretty obvious it would generate a bad response from a lot of people. This is one of those "PR problems" everyone talks about, it doesn't even matter if it was the right choice or not, the way you explained it basically asks for bashing. And you still avoided talking about Lindsay, and you wonder why people say you avoid answering some questions.
This isn't even about wether you are right or wrong, I just don't understand the way you talk to people.
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On July 12 2011 23:52 OCsurfeR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 23:45 TheResidentEvil wrote:
Really don't like the justification for single elimination. You can't compare to MLG saying its single because its not. Boxer flew to your tournament, played 1 series and was done. At MLG, Boxer will play at least 6 series. It is not a fair comparison. The open bracket is double elim also so you should just not even compare to MLG.
MLG does modified double elim. You can lose all your pool play games and it will count as your first loss. Our format and MLG's format are very different. MLG is a modified tournament. NASL is a league. By the time we have reached the finals, we've already eliminated through regular season records and playoff games 35 of the 50 regular season players. The Finals for NASL is essentially the last echelons of the playoffs and the championship round. As with other professional sports, there is no double-elimination at this point. We recognize that the SC2 community is not used to this, and thus a lot of the criticism, but it's a model we're standing by and that we think is critical to the reception and growth of eSports outside of this immediate community.
Sorry pal but this is bullshit. No double elimination because you want to make starcraft more mainstream? Really?
I fail to see how you can make the comparison with other sports when the games themselves are so different. What other sport do you compare Starcraft to and where a match can be over in less than 10 minutes and a complete Bo3 series over in less than half an hour? This is just as exciting as seeing Cobe Bryant break his ankle in the first playoff game and then watching the team tank. It is the extended series of matches and especially the possibility of comebacks that makes the playoffs, and any tournament or game for that fact, interesting.
And how do you see single elimination critical to the reception and growth of eSports outside the community? I feel stupid, but for the life of me I do not see the connection. Do you really think that someone new to the game would care if it is single or double elimination? I am sure that they will be plenty confused with other issues that have nothing to do with this aspect of the format.
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On July 13 2011 03:50 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 03:45 Xeris wrote:On July 13 2011 03:37 aristarchus wrote:On July 13 2011 03:16 Xeris wrote:On July 13 2011 03:13 Bobster wrote:On July 13 2011 03:10 MrNomad wrote:On July 12 2011 15:42 Excalibur_Z wrote:
That, to me, was NASL Season 1. It was like you had a grandiose idea for an awesome league, but the transition between the brainstorming phase and actual planning and delegation hit like a brick wall. Get a paid, qualified staff with experience in the field of editing and post-production. Get experienced department leaders who can manage their teams effectively, report issues to you upfront and provide their suggestions for improvement. Run it like the business it should be -- and needs to be in order to succeed. Volunteers and hopeful dreamers are no substitute for proven, experienced, career-minded professionals. Listen to their feedback and take it to heart.
You can dismiss this post as "hate" all you like, and you can shirk the blame all you like. You, Gretorp, and Inc are the faces of NASL whether you expected to be or not, and you guys are the ones who will be held collectively responsible for the positive or negative results of your league. All I know is that if my name is attached to something, I want to be its harshest critic and demand perfection at every turn.
The good news is that by changing things up, Season 2 can be a lot better. You've already received some constructive criticism in this thread and others, don't just ignore it because you think people are being hateful. What's funny is i have 5 years production experience in broadcasting and even sent NASL my resume yet they ignored it and then put on that attrocity of a broadcast. It speaks to how much they want their product to succeed. They received an email (if not multiple ones) from experienced staff and chose what seemed like some stoner kids from the backlot of a Pizza Hut. Nepotism in action, baby! You think Anna and the blond girl got the interview job because they're great interviewers? Rachel is pretty well known in the community and CSN has provided so much great content from Korea, and Anna is the current Miss Oregon. There's no doubting their interview skills. See, this is stupid. The fact that you're still making posts like this tells me you've completely missed the point. Yes, they've done stuff before. Doing CSN content is meaningful experience. I really don't know how being Miss Oregon is particularly relevant, but Anna has done some interviews before and so forth. I didn't have a problem with them (though Lindsey or whatever was pretty special), but the definition of a good performance is one that the audience likes. If you have a lot of your audience saying they didn't like their interviews, then saying "there's no doubting their interview skills" is just factually wrong. You can make an informed judgement that with time most people will like the interviews, or that they do now and these people are a minority, but you can't just post saying that they're just factually wrong and how dare they question you. It frankly doesn't matter at all what you think of their interviews or what other experience they have that you think is relevant. What matters is what the audience thinks. The audience opinion can't actually be wrong, and these posters are just expressing their opinion as part of the audience. The only reason things like "they've done interviews" before matter is because it's a sign that the audience is likely to actually like them. Anna has over 2 years of experience interviewing Starcraft players (the first time I remember her was at WCG USA 2009 interviewing people). Rachel has done a LOT of interviewing through her time in Korea. I was responding to the fact that people think it's just nepotism, but it isn't. We brought them to the event to do interviews because they've done a lot of it before. I've read that a lot of people would rather have someone like Artosis or Day9 doing interviews rather than Anna/Rachel. This point is being taken into consideration for future events. Again, I was responding to people simply saying "they're only here because of nepotism," they were there because of their experience. Then say that Anna has 2 years of experience interviewing Starcraft players instead of saying that she is Miss Oregon. I don't really see how that was relevant at all, and it was pretty obvious it would generate a bad response from a lot of people. This is one of those "PR problems" everyone talks about, it doesn't even matter if it was the right choice or not, the way you explained it basically asks for bashing. And you still avoided talking about Lindsay, and you wonder why people say you avoid answering some questions. This isn't even about wether you are right or wrong, I just don't understand the way you talk to people.
A thousand times this.
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What I like about NASL is precisely the league format the regular season...matches five days a week to watch if I was bored, and if I had a favorite player I could make a point of catching at least his matches.
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On July 13 2011 03:45 spacemunkee wrote:Show nested quote +Regardless of all the haters (even from prominent members of the community, which is pretty disappointing to me), we're going to keep plugging away. This comment here shows me that you guys still don't get it. You're taking people who were critical and lumping them into this group. At the end of the day, none of these people want NASL to fail, they just want a great product and you simply failed to deliver this season. Especially after the way the NASL was hyped and billed as the premier tournament in NA. What if great companies out there just dismissed customer's complaints as "well, they're just haters." Poor business thinking my friend. I count myself among the critics. I paid my $25 and expected to get a great product and felt that it fell short of that. I will be waiting to see how you address things in season two, but I think you and the NASL leaders need to change how you view your customers. Best of luck and season 2. As a customer of season one and potential customer in season 2, I will be keeping a watchful eye.
I don't get what you're saying. Just because I talk about people who are haters or people who just criticize without being constructive doesn't mean we don't listen to them. Were the first days of the NASL the same as the last? Did we listen to criticisms and improve along the way? Was Sunday better than Friday at the Finals? Where do you get the idea that anyone here dismisses criticism?
You can't look at isolated statements taken out of context and make claims about what we get and don't get. I find it frustrating when prominent community members criticize us, yes. But does it mean that we're dismissing them? No. I've said it before and will say it again. We're going to keep improving. The reason I post so often here is because I am listening. If I didn't care I wouldn't post here at all. But I do. I want this to succeed just like everyone else and every day is a constant improvement for us. We learn from our mistakes, and we get better. I've posted so many feedback threads because I want to know what people think, and I want to interact directly with the people who criticize so I know exactly what people's problems are. Sometimes things I say come out wrong, but I hope nobody doubts my intentions  !
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On July 13 2011 03:59 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 03:45 spacemunkee wrote:Regardless of all the haters (even from prominent members of the community, which is pretty disappointing to me), we're going to keep plugging away. This comment here shows me that you guys still don't get it. You're taking people who were critical and lumping them into this group. At the end of the day, none of these people want NASL to fail, they just want a great product and you simply failed to deliver this season. Especially after the way the NASL was hyped and billed as the premier tournament in NA. What if great companies out there just dismissed customer's complaints as "well, they're just haters." Poor business thinking my friend. I count myself among the critics. I paid my $25 and expected to get a great product and felt that it fell short of that. I will be waiting to see how you address things in season two, but I think you and the NASL leaders need to change how you view your customers. Best of luck and season 2. As a customer of season one and potential customer in season 2, I will be keeping a watchful eye. I don't get what you're saying. Just because I talk about people who are haters or people who just criticize without being constructive doesn't mean we don't listen to them. Were the first days of the NASL the same as the last? Did we listen to criticisms and improve along the way? Was Sunday better than Friday at the Finals? Where do you get the idea that anyone here dismisses criticism? You can't look at isolated statements taken out of context and make claims about what we get and don't get. I find it frustrating when prominent community members criticize us, yes. But does it mean that we're dismissing them? No. I've said it before and will say it again. We're going to keep improving. The reason I post so often here is because I am listening. If I didn't care I wouldn't post here at all. But I do. I want this to succeed just like everyone else and every day is a constant improvement for us. We learn from our mistakes, and we get better. I've posted so many feedback threads because I want to know what people think, and I want to interact directly with the people who criticize so I know exactly what people's problems are. Sometimes things I say come out wrong, but I hope nobody doubts my intentions ! <3
i appreciate your efforts, i really do!
im 100% sure that the small problems you had in 1st season are already a thing of the past and that this season 2 will become of the same size if not bigger than gsl
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I'm really glad you guys are keeping Gretorp on, I thought his casting was poo at first but he's really awesome now and has improved so much as a caster.
Some of the interviews for the finals were a little wonky, I think using Rachel to interview the Koreans exclusively would have been a good idea because of her relation to the Korean scene with a translator present while having Anna interview the English speaking players exclusively would work out better.
Some of the interview questions were also kind of bad, maybe have the questions prepared by like two or three people as the games are going on and come up with 6-7 good questions to go up and ask so we can avoid silly stuff like, "Are you happy you won?", I mean honestly... What's the player going to say? "Fuck no, man... I wanted to lose that game". So have a few people writing down questions pertaining to both the games as they happen and future matches and sort of pick the best and go up there for a good ~5 minute interview with better questions.
Also, the seeding for the finals needs to be reassessed, this is something I didn't see mentioned in your post, Xeris. Honestly, the open bracket is such a major unknown that I can't see many players wanting to really have to deal with that. Just look at the situation with Ret, he claimed first in league play to logically get the lowest ranked opponent and ended up drawing the guy who went on to win the whole thing. Sure that can happen regardless of success seeding but it's kind of a silly reward to be given for first place and also leads to players throwing games to avoid first place as we saw towards the end of the season.
I've heard the pool is being reduced to 45 players and I'm not sure what's happening with the open bracket but the winner of the open bracket should not be placed up against the number 1 player from league play, there are far too many good players who aren't in the league to assume that someone from the open bracket would be inferior to the other 15 finalists and should be seeded at 16th.
Something difficult to do(because you'd have to communicate with the players which apparently has been an issue for the NASL), but ultimately kind of cool would be to have the top 8 players choose their opponent from the bottom 8 and have the open bracket winner placed in the bottom 8 for selection. Selection would go downwards from 1st to 8th so the first seeded player gets to choose anyone in the top 16 and the 8th seeded player gets the last person left. No one would want to throw a game if it meant they had a chance to get to pick one place earlier.
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Yes, we're going to re-visit the Open Bracket winner seed. We're also going to introduce some element of group selection for Season 2, so stay tuned!
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I am kind of astonished by the thinly veiled arrogance that some of what I perceive as NASL's representatives write here exhibits. In all the years I have worked in esports, I have never come across someone who screwed up like this on an event and then had the nerve to give his paying customers sh** about it on top of it. I can only hope someone is wise enough to stop you from typing at some point, because writing nothing is better than what you're writing at the moment.
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On July 13 2011 04:07 Xeris wrote:
Yes, we're going to re-visit the Open Bracket winner seed. We're also going to introduce some element of group selection for Season 2, so stay tuned! I love watching the group selections for GSL, so this sounds pretty cool!
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On July 13 2011 04:07 Xeris wrote:
Yes, we're going to re-visit the Open Bracket winner seed. We're also going to introduce some element of group selection for Season 2, so stay tuned!
and also please readress the finals to something similar to a winners losers bracket please, thats actually the only complaint i have about the brackets of the whole tournament
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