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On July 11 2011 11:14 fraktoasters wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 11:01 Vehemus wrote:On July 11 2011 10:58 fraktoasters wrote:On July 11 2011 09:33 SafeAsCheese wrote: OrangeMilkis - Wooju Lee Andddd the event is over the Korean netizens go into fullblown criticism mode. Oh netizens....
Well to be honest, NASL deserved a LOT of criticism, but MLG was pretty bad, as was the first GSL, in it's first few attempts as well.
It has been proven that bad events can be drastically improved with experience. MLG improved by firing the guys that made it a disaster and actually got people who know what they're doing.. just saying. It's not just experience. Did they actually fire people over Dallas? I haven't heard that. While I guess I wouldn't be surprised, they really made it sound like they just weren't prepared for all the things that happened at Dallas and were going out of their way to be overprepared for Columbus. I'm like really certain I read someone from mlg saying they fired their tech team or something but I can't quite find the quote but I know at least that they hired new people: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=229043"They also added booths, a second stream, and that company that streamed the royal wedding"
Well yeah, I knew what they did to prepare for Columbus and am an MLG membership holder. Not that it makes any difference to me if they fired people responsible for the disaster at Dallas, I just hadn't heard that at all.
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On July 11 2011 11:08 SafeAsCheese wrote: Question - Were koreans able to watch NASL without lag?
I hear a lot of Europeans often get lag with justintv Eu @ 1080p worked smooth for me
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Hey man, the event is over, are you going to post up the comments from Days 2 and 3 or what?
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On July 11 2011 02:38 Chained wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:28 Crisco wrote:On July 11 2011 02:26 vpatrickd wrote:On July 11 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study.... He is korean citizen residing in the US. Right on. So he is not American. yeah.. but he IS trained in the american/foreign scene. There is where the debate always begins, just a miscommunication. When I think "Korean vs Foreigner" I dont think of the ethnicity but rather where they have been training. I dont think of the ethnicity because I dont think it makes a difference.. Koreans arent naturally better at RTS games... Idra in SC1, Huk/Jinro in SC2, I felt the same way, while they arent "Korean" they are Korean trained.
but when Huk won Dreamhack and Homestory, people (including day[9]) said it was the first major tournament won by a FOREIGNER where top Koreans are also competing
really the double standard are sometimes mind blowing
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On July 11 2011 12:07 sandyph wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:38 Chained wrote:On July 11 2011 02:28 Crisco wrote:On July 11 2011 02:26 vpatrickd wrote:On July 11 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study.... He is korean citizen residing in the US. Right on. So he is not American. yeah.. but he IS trained in the american/foreign scene. There is where the debate always begins, just a miscommunication. When I think "Korean vs Foreigner" I dont think of the ethnicity but rather where they have been training. I dont think of the ethnicity because I dont think it makes a difference.. Koreans arent naturally better at RTS games... Idra in SC1, Huk/Jinro in SC2, I felt the same way, while they arent "Korean" they are Korean trained. but when Huk won Dreamhack and Homestory, people (including day[9]) said it was the first major tournament won by a FOREIGNER where top Koreans are also competing really the double standard are sometimes mind blowing
As someone else has said already, Huk is a foreigner with korean training. Select is a korean with foreign training. When it comes to sc2, I think about how they are trained, so you know what my answer is. Both point of views work perfectly fine. Just depends on how you look at them.
When huk plays, he is representing the foreign scene in terms of national pride. In terms of how he gets his results, he is representing the korean training method. Not too hard of a concept to understand but some people are just incredibly thick.
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On July 11 2011 12:07 sandyph wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:38 Chained wrote:On July 11 2011 02:28 Crisco wrote:On July 11 2011 02:26 vpatrickd wrote:On July 11 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study.... He is korean citizen residing in the US. Right on. So he is not American. yeah.. but he IS trained in the american/foreign scene. There is where the debate always begins, just a miscommunication. When I think "Korean vs Foreigner" I dont think of the ethnicity but rather where they have been training. I dont think of the ethnicity because I dont think it makes a difference.. Koreans arent naturally better at RTS games... Idra in SC1, Huk/Jinro in SC2, I felt the same way, while they arent "Korean" they are Korean trained. but when Huk won Dreamhack and Homestory, people (including day[9]) said it was the first major tournament won by a FOREIGNER where top Koreans are also competing really the double standard are sometimes mind blowing
Korean trained =/= Korean. Huk is a foreigner.
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On July 11 2011 12:10 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 12:07 sandyph wrote:On July 11 2011 02:38 Chained wrote:On July 11 2011 02:28 Crisco wrote:On July 11 2011 02:26 vpatrickd wrote:On July 11 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study.... He is korean citizen residing in the US. Right on. So he is not American. yeah.. but he IS trained in the american/foreign scene. There is where the debate always begins, just a miscommunication. When I think "Korean vs Foreigner" I dont think of the ethnicity but rather where they have been training. I dont think of the ethnicity because I dont think it makes a difference.. Koreans arent naturally better at RTS games... Idra in SC1, Huk/Jinro in SC2, I felt the same way, while they arent "Korean" they are Korean trained. but when Huk won Dreamhack and Homestory, people (including day[9]) said it was the first major tournament won by a FOREIGNER where top Koreans are also competing really the double standard are sometimes mind blowing Korean trained =/= Korean. Huk is a foreigner.
So Foreign trained =/= Foreign. Select is a Korean ?
people cant have it both way
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Korean = Korean Trained + Korean Ethnicity
Foreign = Foreign Trained + Korean Ethnicity or Foreign = Korean Trained + Foreign Ethnicity or Foreign = Foreign Trained + Foreign Ethnicity
We're greedy and want anything with a hint of foreign in it to be classified as Foreign. In our defense Koreans are op.
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On July 11 2011 12:29 sureshot_ wrote: Korean = Korean Trained + Korean Ethnicity
Foreign = Foreign Trained + Korean Ethnicity or Foreign = Korean Trained + Foreign Ethnicity or Foreign = Foreign Trained + Foreign Ethnicity
We're greedy and want anything with a hint of foreign in it to be classified as Foreign. In our defense Koreans are op. See: TEAM USA
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That's actually a pretty good way to summarize how we feel about it, strange tho it is.
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foreigners trained in Korea are Koreans, I don't see how that is disputable
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On July 11 2011 12:29 sureshot_ wrote: Korean = Korean Trained + Korean Ethnicity
Foreign = Foreign Trained + Korean Ethnicity or Foreign = Korean Trained + Foreign Ethnicity or Foreign = Foreign Trained + Foreign Ethnicity
We're greedy and want anything with a hint of foreign in it to be classified as Foreign. In our defense Koreans are op.
Select is a korean representing foreign training. Huk is a foreigner representing korean training. It's not koreans > foreigners, it's Korean training > foreign training (which largely results with korean > foreigners). Thus huk > select. Why is this topic so difficult to understand when it's so damn simple/
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On July 11 2011 11:48 Shinobi1982 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 11:08 SafeAsCheese wrote: Question - Were koreans able to watch NASL without lag?
I hear a lot of Europeans often get lag with justintv Eu @ 1080p worked smooth for me
Almost never get any lag on JustinTV over here, even on 1080p (from other streams). Can watch European stuff too just fine (Homestory cup for example was flawless). However, sometimes streams just don''t work at all (confirmed by a few others living in Korea, too.) An example was that EG Cup tournament thing. Thankfully that's rare.
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On July 11 2011 12:53 ktimekiller wrote: foreigners trained in Korea are Koreans, I don't see how that is disputable
Because Ichiro and Pau Gasol aren't american.
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On July 11 2011 12:13 sandyph wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 12:10 dabom88 wrote:On July 11 2011 12:07 sandyph wrote:On July 11 2011 02:38 Chained wrote:On July 11 2011 02:28 Crisco wrote:On July 11 2011 02:26 vpatrickd wrote:On July 11 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study.... He is korean citizen residing in the US. Right on. So he is not American. yeah.. but he IS trained in the american/foreign scene. There is where the debate always begins, just a miscommunication. When I think "Korean vs Foreigner" I dont think of the ethnicity but rather where they have been training. I dont think of the ethnicity because I dont think it makes a difference.. Koreans arent naturally better at RTS games... Idra in SC1, Huk/Jinro in SC2, I felt the same way, while they arent "Korean" they are Korean trained. but when Huk won Dreamhack and Homestory, people (including day[9]) said it was the first major tournament won by a FOREIGNER where top Koreans are also competing really the double standard are sometimes mind blowing Korean trained =/= Korean. Huk is a foreigner. So Foreign trained =/= Foreign. Select is a Korean ? people cant have it both way
Yes Select is, in fact, Korean.
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On July 11 2011 13:02 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 12:53 ktimekiller wrote: foreigners trained in Korea are Koreans, I don't see how that is disputable Because Ichiro and Pau Gasol aren't american.
Team USA consists of all foreigners and/or successful persons. This is the criteria for Team USA and once your in, you in. No Snitchin', No Bitchin'. That is the way Team USA Rolls.
*Foreigners are considered anyone who is not (by sometimes can be) Korean beyond a shadow of a doubt. Exceptions include Rain, FnaticRain, and Clide.
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Koreans practise so much more than foreigners. It really doesn't matter if Koreans dominate the NASL cuz as long as there are quality games, it's all good!
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On July 11 2011 12:13 sandyph wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 12:10 dabom88 wrote:On July 11 2011 12:07 sandyph wrote:On July 11 2011 02:38 Chained wrote:On July 11 2011 02:28 Crisco wrote:On July 11 2011 02:26 vpatrickd wrote:On July 11 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study.... He is korean citizen residing in the US. Right on. So he is not American. yeah.. but he IS trained in the american/foreign scene. There is where the debate always begins, just a miscommunication. When I think "Korean vs Foreigner" I dont think of the ethnicity but rather where they have been training. I dont think of the ethnicity because I dont think it makes a difference.. Koreans arent naturally better at RTS games... Idra in SC1, Huk/Jinro in SC2, I felt the same way, while they arent "Korean" they are Korean trained. but when Huk won Dreamhack and Homestory, people (including day[9]) said it was the first major tournament won by a FOREIGNER where top Koreans are also competing really the double standard are sometimes mind blowing Korean trained =/= Korean. Huk is a foreigner. So Foreign trained =/= Foreign. Select is a Korean ? people cant have it both way
Select is a Korean, genius. He's here on a student visa. People seem to think he's a Korean-American because he has citizenship, but he doesn't.
So yes, the original analogy is correct. He's a Korean with foreign training. 90% of TL just calls his a foreigner because the word "foreigner" is much more broad and general than "Korean".
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On July 11 2011 13:15 StyLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 12:13 sandyph wrote:On July 11 2011 12:10 dabom88 wrote:On July 11 2011 12:07 sandyph wrote:On July 11 2011 02:38 Chained wrote:On July 11 2011 02:28 Crisco wrote:On July 11 2011 02:26 vpatrickd wrote:On July 11 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study.... He is korean citizen residing in the US. Right on. So he is not American. yeah.. but he IS trained in the american/foreign scene. There is where the debate always begins, just a miscommunication. When I think "Korean vs Foreigner" I dont think of the ethnicity but rather where they have been training. I dont think of the ethnicity because I dont think it makes a difference.. Koreans arent naturally better at RTS games... Idra in SC1, Huk/Jinro in SC2, I felt the same way, while they arent "Korean" they are Korean trained. but when Huk won Dreamhack and Homestory, people (including day[9]) said it was the first major tournament won by a FOREIGNER where top Koreans are also competing really the double standard are sometimes mind blowing Korean trained =/= Korean. Huk is a foreigner. So Foreign trained =/= Foreign. Select is a Korean ? people cant have it both way Select is a Korean, genius. He's here on a student visa. People seem to think he's a Korean-American because he has citizenship, but he doesn't. So yes, the original analogy is correct. He's a Korean with foreign training. 90% of TL just calls his a foreigner because the word "foreigner" is much more broad and general than "Korean".
Or 90% of TL calls him a foreigner because we don't care where a player is from, but rather what type of training he is representing. Example, people call huk a foreigner to back up the idea that "foreigners can keep up with koreans". Yes they can, but only with korean training. So it's not very representative of the foreign scene skill level at all, more so the korean level.
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The last I heard nationality was what determined "Korean" or "Foreign" (as in, not Korean). And according to such things as the Olympics and general definition, nationality determines competition (if you're not born in Korea or without Korean citizenship, you cannot compete as a Korean national.)
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