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Nexic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States729 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 08:36:10
July 02 2011 08:35 GMT
#601
Map hackers complaining about cheese.... o_O

Difficult to rationalize that one.
ValiantChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia4 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 08:37:46
July 02 2011 08:35 GMT
#602
On July 02 2011 17:25 holycrapitsTony wrote:
You only make your wins illegitimate.


Suppose, but that doesn't worry me. It's not like I am playing to be a badass competitive player to feel good about my legitimate wins, with the hacks I use I am still only around diamond level play.

On July 02 2011 17:31 Riskr wrote:
I like to win is really funny in this sentence,cause he never won actually,he cheated.


Its all about the match result, if it says I win then I am happy.

On July 02 2011 17:35 Nexic wrote:
Map hackers complaining about cheese.... o_O

Difficult to rationalize that one.


lol. You can still lose to cheese quite easily, but it becomes much easier to counter.
MurMiLLo
Profile Joined February 2011
United States260 Posts
July 02 2011 08:39 GMT
#603
What a douchebag to come in here and give us your 2 cents. Ur ruining the game for all of us and ur excuse is "cuz I like to win." Fuck you. Hurrdurr I'm bad at the game so I'll make a hack to be good. People like you who ruin game communities and the whole multiplayer scene
Sideburn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States442 Posts
July 02 2011 08:39 GMT
#604
On July 02 2011 17:17 ValiantChaos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 16:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote:What do you mean when you say "a nice experience to learn from"?

Also this seems rather interesting that you're posting here. Do you mind answering a few questions for my own curiosity? Why do you develop hacks? Do you use your own hacks? What prompted you to post here?

It seems rather odd that you would post here, as a self-proclaimed hack developer, where most people would be ready to try to tear you apart, it seems. So, it piqued my curiosity.

EDIT: Besides that, what you've posted, is very interesting to me, at least. I've been watching this new wave of drop hackers mostly as an outside observer, as I don't have a computer capable of running SC2 at the moment. So, my experience is limited to what I read on the forums and see on streams.


A nice experience to learn how Blizzard has respond to such activity and how they have gone about detecting this type of hack, such as the scanning of mass replay's which I believe to be true. The winhack I can confirm is not detected by Warden and I doubt these bans happened so quickly due to the report player system.

Well I develop hacks to make the gaming experience better, however I do not like using hacks on all games I play and yes I certainly enjoy using the hacks I develop. Why I post here? I like hack discussion threads, and I suppose I was bored enough to search and found this. I would have some things to say on us.battle.net too but recent actions have resulted in 2 NA accounts of mine being banned, so I am awaiting another 3 more NA accounts so I continue playing and posting on their forums.

I may be the enemy who helps develop these hacks for SC2, but that does not make me a bad person you can't even have a conversation with me. Be rather pointless to wanna try and tear me apart for that reason alone, I probably wouldn't even care to reply to such people anyways.

Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 16:22 iamke55 wrote:Do you make money from hacks? I really can't imagine another reason why someone would deliberately ruin the game for the community.


I have usually always been for free hacks, however a pay2use hack may be in the development due to a few things happening in the hack scene.

Ruining the game it may seem like that to you but for me and the users of my work it makes the game better for us with the users providing many ideas to help improve the hack. I like to win, and hate being cheesed so you can imagine how much maphack and production tab helps.

Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 16:24 Moonling wrote:
Why hasn't this guy been banned yet QQ. Why make a hack and then say "it was a nice experience to learn from?


Maybe you should read the forum rules and answer your own question, don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.


I had no idea that Alan Rickman designed hacks for SC2. Pretty cool. I loved you in Die Hard.
mazqo
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland368 Posts
July 02 2011 08:39 GMT
#605
On July 02 2011 17:17 ValiantChaos wrote:
Ruining the game it may seem like that to you but for me and the users of my work it makes the game better for us with the users providing many ideas to help improve the hack. I like to win, and hate being cheesed so you can imagine how much maphack and production tab helps.

I bet you also go to compete at special olympics pretending to be handicapped so you might win something in your life.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 08:43:41
July 02 2011 08:39 GMT
#606
On July 02 2011 17:35 ValiantChaos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 17:25 holycrapitsTony wrote:
You only make your wins illegitimate.


Suppose, but that doesn't worry me. It's not like I am playing to be a badass competitive player to feel good about my legitimate wins, with the hacks I use I am still only around diamond level play.

Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 17:31 Riskr wrote:
I like to win is really funny in this sentence,cause he never won actually,he cheated.


Its all about the match result, if it says I win then I am happy.

Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 17:35 Nexic wrote:
Map hackers complaining about cheese.... o_O

Difficult to rationalize that one.


lol. You can still lose to cheese quite easily, but it becomes much easier to counter.


So wait, you like seeing the win sign flashing at the end of a gaming despite knowing it's fake and it has nothing to do with your gaming skill, which if you hack and are only in diamond must be pretty abysmal? You are a peculiar person indeed.

edit: i feel this must be added.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Aim Here
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Scotland672 Posts
July 02 2011 08:40 GMT
#607
On July 02 2011 17:17 ValiantChaos wrote:

Ruining the game it may seem like that to you but for me and the users of my work it makes the game better for us with the users providing many ideas to help improve the hack. I like to win, and hate being cheesed so you can imagine how much maphack and production tab helps.


I've got to ask. How does a drophack make the game better for anybody? It's a way of not playing the game at all.
Nexic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States729 Posts
July 02 2011 08:41 GMT
#608
What I meant is that it's funny/ridiculous that you don't like to be cheesed (a "cheap strategy") but you're using a maphack yourself...
koonst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States215 Posts
July 02 2011 08:41 GMT
#609
what hes saying is ...like most animals he wants the quickest most asured way to rip the throats out of his prey he is an internet predator . and we are the prey.?
Spaceninja
Profile Joined April 2010
United States211 Posts
July 02 2011 08:43 GMT
#610
On July 02 2011 17:40 Aim Here wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 17:17 ValiantChaos wrote:

Ruining the game it may seem like that to you but for me and the users of my work it makes the game better for us with the users providing many ideas to help improve the hack. I like to win, and hate being cheesed so you can imagine how much maphack and production tab helps.


I've got to ask. How does a drophack make the game better for anybody? It's a way of not playing the game at all.


I don't think he made the drop hack. Just map hacks.
Haters Gonna Hate.
Spiner
Profile Joined February 2011
United States360 Posts
July 02 2011 08:43 GMT
#611
Hacking/exploiting in an MMO is whatever. Hacking in a competitive game like starcraft doesn't make any sense. Pretty retarded these losers are so bad that they need to hack to win and feel good about themselves.
koonst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States215 Posts
July 02 2011 08:44 GMT
#612
soo basicly hes trying to say instead of lets say gonig to the store to eat and paying for it with cash hed rather steal some guys groceries in the parkin lot.. not because he dont got the cash or anything.. but its because hes lazy and dont want to go into the store and pick them for himself?
Beardfish
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States525 Posts
July 02 2011 08:44 GMT
#613
On July 02 2011 17:40 Aim Here wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 17:17 ValiantChaos wrote:

Ruining the game it may seem like that to you but for me and the users of my work it makes the game better for us with the users providing many ideas to help improve the hack. I like to win, and hate being cheesed so you can imagine how much maphack and production tab helps.


I've got to ask. How does a drophack make the game better for anybody? It's a way of not playing the game at all.

AFAIK he didn't develop or release the drop hack.
rfoster
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1005 Posts
July 02 2011 08:45 GMT
#614
On July 02 2011 17:17 ValiantChaos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 16:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote:What do you mean when you say "a nice experience to learn from"?

Also this seems rather interesting that you're posting here. Do you mind answering a few questions for my own curiosity? Why do you develop hacks? Do you use your own hacks? What prompted you to post here?

It seems rather odd that you would post here, as a self-proclaimed hack developer, where most people would be ready to try to tear you apart, it seems. So, it piqued my curiosity.

EDIT: Besides that, what you've posted, is very interesting to me, at least. I've been watching this new wave of drop hackers mostly as an outside observer, as I don't have a computer capable of running SC2 at the moment. So, my experience is limited to what I read on the forums and see on streams.


A nice experience to learn how Blizzard has respond to such activity and how they have gone about detecting this type of hack, such as the scanning of mass replay's which I believe to be true. The winhack I can confirm is not detected by Warden and I doubt these bans happened so quickly due to the report player system.

Well I develop hacks to make the gaming experience better, however I do not like using hacks on all games I play and yes I certainly enjoy using the hacks I develop. Why I post here? I like hack discussion threads, and I suppose I was bored enough to search and found this. I would have some things to say on us.battle.net too but recent actions have resulted in 2 NA accounts of mine being banned, so I am awaiting another 3 more NA accounts so I continue playing and posting on their forums.

I may be the enemy who helps develop these hacks for SC2, but that does not make me a bad person you can't even have a conversation with me. Be rather pointless to wanna try and tear me apart for that reason alone, I probably wouldn't even care to reply to such people anyways.

Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 16:22 iamke55 wrote:Do you make money from hacks? I really can't imagine another reason why someone would deliberately ruin the game for the community.


I have usually always been for free hacks, however a pay2use hack may be in the development due to a few things happening in the hack scene.

Ruining the game it may seem like that to you but for me and the users of my work it makes the game better for us with the users providing many ideas to help improve the hack. I like to win, and hate being cheesed so you can imagine how much maphack and production tab helps.

Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 16:24 Moonling wrote:
Why hasn't this guy been banned yet QQ. Why make a hack and then say "it was a nice experience to learn from?


Maybe you should read the forum rules and answer your own question, don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.


You haven`t ruined the game just for everyone else. You have ruined starcraft for yourself. You can`t just skip to Masters league. You master the game so you actually accomplish something. I don't understand how winning every game is fun. I don't know if I would like this even if I was doing it legitimately. I play Starcraft because it cant be mastered, I play because its hard, to get better, etc. But what do you play for? There is no point at all. May as well not even play Starcraft because without the agony of defeat where do you find the joy of winning? Honestly you create hacks just because you lose to cheese? Everybody was there at one point, but you get past in IN TIME AND PRACTICE, not hacks. Also you will be banned from TL they do not allow cheaters on their site(for example CombatEX). In conclusion, dont be lazy actually put work into mastering a skill.
rfoster
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1005 Posts
July 02 2011 08:47 GMT
#615
On July 02 2011 17:41 Nexic wrote:
What I meant is that it's funny/ridiculous that you don't like to be cheesed (a "cheap strategy") but you're using a maphack yourself...



Perhaps the ultimate form of Irony
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 08:53:09
July 02 2011 08:49 GMT
#616
On July 02 2011 17:35 ValiantChaos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 17:25 holycrapitsTony wrote:
You only make your wins illegitimate.


Suppose, but that doesn't worry me. It's not like I am playing to be a badass competitive player to feel good about my legitimate wins, with the hacks I use I am still only around diamond level play.

Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 17:31 Riskr wrote:
I like to win is really funny in this sentence,cause he never won actually,he cheated.


Its all about the match result, if it says I win then I am happy.

Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 17:35 Nexic wrote:
Map hackers complaining about cheese.... o_O

Difficult to rationalize that one.


lol. You can still lose to cheese quite easily, but it becomes much easier to counter.


What if you got a hack that enabled you to have wins without even playing any games, would you get satisfaction out of that?

Edit: as you said, "it's all about the match result."
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
ValiantChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia4 Posts
July 02 2011 08:50 GMT
#617
On July 02 2011 17:35 Mooov2 wrote:
No non signature offset scans that could cause a bump?


A signature scan in warden could easily detect the hack, yes but currently there have been no new Warden scans for a while.

On July 02 2011 17:40 Aim Here wrote:
I've got to ask. How does a drophack make the game better for anybody? It's a way of not playing the game at all.


The winhack leaked is not mine, nor did I find the exploit used nor have I found any drophack exploits although I have recreated a couple from replays and a crash log but still I never once released any and don't agree with a drophack being public or sold anyways.

But the reasons why people like to use of a drophack I can tell you, to make them when at times they don't feel like losing or to abuse the crap out of it for the laughs, which in this case most are doing with trial accounts.
Spaceninja
Profile Joined April 2010
United States211 Posts
July 02 2011 08:50 GMT
#618
"When Im grandmaster, I will hack faster" o wait that's not how it goes.
Haters Gonna Hate.
harhar!
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany190 Posts
July 02 2011 08:53 GMT
#619
ppl who are too bad to play shouldn't buy games. can't blizzard sue that bitch, that creates hacks? i sure hope so.
gosuMalicE
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada676 Posts
July 02 2011 08:54 GMT
#620
On July 02 2011 16:04 ValiantChaos wrote:
Greetings, I'm ValiantChaos a.k.a Zynastor and a known hack developer for SC2.

Most users using this leaked winhack are likely to be on trial accounts, so reporting becomes quite useless for them. However, Blizzard is indeed taking this very serious and I believe they are doing mass replay scans to find usage of this winhack which has already resulted in many accounts being banned already and rather quickly, there even seems to be evidence of Blizzard trying to track main accounts for those using trial accounts and banning them too. I also believe they have been reviewing some previously known drophacker accounts and doing further investigation into them resulting in a few more bans such as my HelpMe account and Devil account which belonged to a friend of mine, I know some of you would be familiar with those drophacker names.

How Blizzard has actually reacted to this winhack is quite surprising tho, don't think I have yet to see them take a hack so seriously, must say well done to them and it was a nice experience to learn from.


Sup VC I have known about your maphack for awhile and am disappointed that you continue developing it after you said you would stop. I for one do not take the Starcraft 2 ladder seriously but I know many people that do. I would appreciate it if you would stop releasing you hack publicly as it does in fact ruin the enjoyment of many people who play and love this game. That is all, thank you.
I play Protoss, because lets face it, who doesn't love hyper-advanced Egyptian ninja-aliens that kill people with lightsabres attached to both arms?
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