On June 26 2011 07:45 Ketara wrote:
According to Liquipedia: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mule

Mules mine 270 (and lose 30) on close patches.

And 240 on far patches.

I assume the OP is going to provide some videos or screenshots or etc. to show that you always get 270 on every patch.

Since I'm bored and enjoy quoting myself, I did my own test.

On far patches you do in fact only mine 240 minerals, and still lose 30.

AcrossFiveJulys

United States3612 Posts

June 25 2011 23:00 GMT

#43

Note quite true. charliemurphy made a thread near the beginning of beta showing that on some ladder maps there are patches that

1) mine 300 minerals
2) mine 270 minerals but mule dies on transit (so 30 minerals are lost)
3) mine 270 minerals, 30 minerals are not lost

so in theory you should know which patches on which maps satisfy #1 and always mine those.

ThatMoose

1 Post

June 25 2011 23:00 GMT

#44

On June 26 2011 07:54 Kiarip wrote:

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yeah I agree with this

Me too. As long as the worker is working does it really matter?

JamesJohansen

United States213 Posts

June 25 2011 23:04 GMT

#45

Oh thank god, I'm always losing by a margin of 30 minerals. This is the answer to my prayers

Huggerz

Great Britain919 Posts

June 25 2011 23:06 GMT

#46

STS17 dropping some knowledge, thanks

WniO

United States2706 Posts

June 25 2011 23:06 GMT

#47

because mining from a closer location is worse..... give me a break. why dont you long distance mine to the natural expo off the start since those minerals will take longer to mine out!

Liquid`EliGE

United States527 Posts

June 25 2011 23:07 GMT

#48

Cute find. Had to test it myself to believe it though

I don't really think it matters though, its kind of like Worker splitting in the beginning of the game. It doesn't matter too much, but maybe just by a tiny bit.

So for those that want to do every little thing to try to get better, well, this is for you.

Angra

United States2652 Posts

June 25 2011 23:08 GMT

#49

I'm assuming that almost all minerals patches are slightly different considering that's how Blizzard tends to design their maps (uneven) and so everyone that is claiming anything in this thread is correct in some regard.

hoot00

United States77 Posts

June 25 2011 23:15 GMT

#50

On June 26 2011 07:54 Kiarip wrote:

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yeah I agree with this

Would you rather have 8 patches with 1500 minerals each, or 1 patch with 12000 minerals? To get the same income you would have to have 7 other bases

confusedcrib

United States1307 Posts

June 25 2011 23:18 GMT

#51

On June 26 2011 07:59 Ketara wrote:

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Since I'm bored and enjoy quoting myself, I did my own test.

On far patches you do in fact only mine 240 minerals, and still lose 30.

This is important, it suggests the OP is incorrect.

Protocon

United States255 Posts

June 25 2011 23:18 GMT

#52

If op's findings are true, then this really only affects players at the pro level where small edges can make a difference. But for the majority average joes like myself, we should not be concerned with things like this and other stuff like splitting workers at the beginning. We should be working on micro/macro, decision-making etc.

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

June 25 2011 23:21 GMT

#53

um it is all dependend on where the mule lands and the patch itself. 240-300 can happen (300 is not in ladder maps i think, unless you do some mule micro). If you want to be super effectiv learn the point of no return for the mule. the point on the lifespan bar when the mule won't return minerals.
It only matter in macro games and there the terran in general plays either mech and doesn't need mules or will play bio and needs one of the bases of the opponent side to survive the complete mine out. (terrans will mine out earlier with bio, sooo if the opponent survived that point with the map still cut in half the terran effectivly lost)
But its always nice to watch your main and natural mules, every mineral in those counts as those will mine out probably in every game.

CheeC[h]

United States137 Posts

June 25 2011 23:27 GMT

#54

On June 26 2011 08:00 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Note quite true. charliemurphy made a thread near the beginning of beta showing that on some ladder maps there are patches that

1) mine 300 minerals
2) mine 270 minerals but mule dies on transit (so 30 minerals are lost)
3) mine 270 minerals, 30 minerals are not lost

so in theory you should know which patches on which maps satisfy #1 and always mine those.

i made the thread, its quoted on liquipedia i believe. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=119738

this has been known since beta but it is map dependant

alepov

Netherlands1132 Posts

June 25 2011 23:28 GMT

#55

haha thanks, i always call it down on the closest patches

tyCe

Australia2542 Posts

June 25 2011 23:31 GMT

#56

You still get the 270 minerals faster.

IIIOmegaIII

Sweden319 Posts

June 25 2011 23:32 GMT

#57

hmm good fact to know, you should add that to the 1000 tip thread =)) cheers for the info btw!

FlaShFTW

United States10272 Posts

June 25 2011 23:32 GMT

#58

excellent, thanks for the news. now i wont have to worry where like 1k of the mienrals went (lolz jokes dudes.)

Geordie

United Kingdom653 Posts

June 25 2011 23:33 GMT

#59

Nice find. Guess this will be something I will just sprinkle onto my play and I guess the benifits of an extra 30 minerals a mule will multiply more and more over the course of the game. Thanks.

Spacely

United States108 Posts

June 25 2011 23:35 GMT

#60

Oh man Terrans and their minerals..