On June 26 2011 12:50 Flavor wrote:
Also, when you get into a habbit of calling down mules on the close patches, they tend to get mined out first making your scv's less efficient

Why do people keep saying this. You realize you can transfer workers right? and that you get a message when mineral patches are mined out?

btlyger

United States470 Posts

June 26 2011 03:53 GMT

#122

Posts like the OPs is why I came to team liquid.

Great find man this will help a lot as I see 90% of terrans muleing close patches.

Kiarip

United States1835 Posts

June 26 2011 03:54 GMT

#123

On June 26 2011 08:15 hoot00 wrote:

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Would you rather have 8 patches with 1500 minerals each, or 1 patch with 12000 minerals? To get the same income you would have to have 7 other bases

Ok, while this is true I don't really feel like mineral income is such a huge issues for terran. I mean a huge portion of Terran's income comes from mules and having 1 patch less isn't gonna affect your ability to mule, on the other hand I feel like Terran's design kind of promotes low worker count end-games in favor of free'ing up more supply for the main army, so while I'm sure it makes a very small difference I feel like it plays better into the grand plan for Terran late-game where you only have like 35 SCVs total, and can have 165 supply dedicated to the army or something like that you know?

almond

115 Posts

June 26 2011 03:58 GMT

#124

I wouldn't be surprised if the haters split workers in the beginning of the game. Lol.
Thx OP.

SayHello

Czech Republic147 Posts

June 26 2011 04:02 GMT

#125

The real pro will stop the mule before it mines it's last 30 minerals. You need it on close patch to mine faster...

JustinHit

United States196 Posts

June 26 2011 04:07 GMT

#126

No one noticed that by just playing?
-_- oh team liquid.

Warble

137 Posts

June 26 2011 04:09 GMT

#127

The OP's experiences differ from my own, as I have done some tests in previous patches and my results agreed with Liquipedia.

It is possible that Blizzard changed some mechanics in recent patches or there may be quirks in map layouts since Blizzard tweaks them every so often.

This thread needs more replays. I am more inclined to believe that Cheec's thread, Liquipedia and my own experiences are correct until the OP provides evidence otherwise.

Nexic

United States729 Posts

June 26 2011 04:12 GMT

#128

Man, now reading through the last couple pages I'm even more confused with all the conflicting reports being posted... I guess I will continue MULEing on close patches till a more conclusive solution is reached, mining 270 minerals and dieing with 30 is probably better than only mining 240.

Seeker

Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts

June 26 2011 04:15 GMT

#129

How about instead of aruging who's right who's wrong. We all just try it out for ourselves. I guarantee we will all have people saying they got the same results AND people saying they got different results.

Bottom line: This probably depends on what map/mineral positioning/where you put your mule.

Just play the game, and switch your mule positioning to the further patches at your own discretion.
I agree with Xapti, 4 POSSIBLITIES:

Close patches:
300
270 (30 loss)

Further patches:
270
240 (30 loss)

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

June 26 2011 04:33 GMT

#130

Whole lot of misinformation in this thread.

The OP is basically a generalization. While not untrue, it depends on the individual map and the individual patches. There are clearly some patches on some maps where you only get 240 and lose 30.

There are so many people on every page though replying and just saying "Thanks OP, this is why Team Liquid is great!" that it is clear they are not reading the thread through, and that this is causing a lot of misinformation.

Pretty upsetting, really.

dave333

United States915 Posts

June 26 2011 04:39 GMT

#131

guess this makes mules balanced

jk but this is pretty important. You end up calling a lot of mules....thats a lot of money being killed. I know myself I usuallly call mules onto close patches out of habit from mineral micro.

kidcrash

United States620 Posts

June 26 2011 04:46 GMT

#132

If you call down 20 mules in the course of an entire game that's 600 minerals that you are losing out on. I don't see how 600 minerals is negligible by any means.

Edit: Wow 4 possibilities... hmm well that complicates things a bit. Getting 240 minerals while losing 30 would be very bad. I guess memorizing the differences in map mining is only solution.

vogonpoet

United States5 Posts

June 26 2011 05:13 GMT

#133

I tested this extensively during the beta, and all of my results agreed with Liquipedia.

I just tried it on Metalopolis, and the OP's claim is correct on this map: mules mined 270 from all patches, but close patches ended up losing the last 30 minerals mined without returning them to the base. Strange, because I'm sure I tested the mule on this map during beta. Probably just another unmentioned patch change at some point.

I'm sure some enterprising soul will break this down for each of the maps and update the LP entry.

Genome852

United States979 Posts

June 26 2011 05:16 GMT

#134

On June 26 2011 12:52 Gnax wrote:

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Why do people keep saying this. You realize you can transfer workers right? and that you get a message when mineral patches are mined out?

No... the point is, you want your minerals to be mined out evenly, so your SCVs are always working at their highest possible efficiency.

That is why dropping MULEs on the same mineral patch every time is bad (it will get mined out really fast, meaning the SCVs will end up mining from 7 instead of 8 patches way earlier than they should be). You should alternate between the mineral patches.

Dimagus

United States1004 Posts

June 26 2011 05:17 GMT

#135

Just don't do what I saw on KOTH last night. Specifically, don't call down 15 mules to the same base. A mule will not mine over top of another mule, so the max you ever want to do is 1 per mineral patch.

Riot Janook

United States112 Posts

June 26 2011 05:27 GMT

#136

OP is incorrect.
MULEs mine 270 minerals on close patches.
240 minerals on far patches.

Existor

Russian Federation4295 Posts

June 26 2011 05:58 GMT

#137

I'm glad, that someone find way for buff mules.

almond

115 Posts