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On June 25 2011 02:12 BasedSwag wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 02:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 25 2011 00:48 VicTimEyes wrote:
Classic Blizzard to enforce the Terms of Use the players agreed on when installing the game. +1 to this. I mean, most of the people here at TeamLiquid love HuK and TLO (duh), but they broke the rules that they originally agreed to follow. Now, ex post facto, you want the rules changed? Sigh. Blizzard endorses tournaments like GSL/GSTL which break their own rules, and force players to break the rules. The problem is they are hypocrites.
When Blizzard gives you a license for a PROFESSIONAL tournament, the license will likely supersede some of the terms of the EULA given to you by a retail version of the game. Due to the fact that the EULA prevents you from using the game in a certain manner.
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Oh noes Blizzard enforcing their ToS, everyone freak out!
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I spy people not reading the thread. They just don't want him streaming >.>
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This is what Blizzard wants and this is what these video game companies want: They want a system where everybody owns a single account. They do not want to give you the right to share the game. They do not want to give you the right to resell the game. They do not want to give you the right to do anything with the product except perhaps stream it through a television and play it through a cloud (while paying monthly for the games through a subscription service similar to cable television). I don't want to sound like the doombringer of the video game apocalypse (though it comes so natural!), but you're a fool if you believe this has anything to do with 'the integrity of the ladder'. What nobody has explained to these companies is that their player bases also have the right to go on the internet and badmouth the company for doing something as patently stupid as Blizzard did in this situation, and the feedback in this thread indicates a rather hefty disdain for Blizzard's decision.
And also, "can't find a game because my ladder level is too high" is nothing new with Blizzard products. This was a common occurrence on the Warcraft III ladder, first during the Reign of Chaos days (where players were matched within "six levels" of each other, and very often the "top six levels of the ladder" could be as little as 150 players) and later during The Frozen Throne 1.14 anonymous matchmaking days (where it became impossible for top-level team game players to find games). When Blizzard fixed the issue the first time, they gave us the 1.14 anonymous matchmaking tweaks and nearly destroyed the game's competitive ladder experience. Blizzard never bothered to fix it the second time and parlayed the number of top-level players who began creating smurf accounts into a narrative that "we eliminated multiple accounts in StarCraft II because the best players were making new accounts because they like to beat up on noobs." I presume they'll be a bit more proactive in trying to fix this since it's a new game with a larger ladder user base than Warcraft III ever had, but I wouldn't be particularly confident that they're going to make the right fix, especially if they're admonishing community figureheads for trying to find ladder matches.
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On June 25 2011 02:20 Yaotzin wrote:
Oh noes Blizzard enforcing their ToS, everyone freak out!
Don't forget to blindly rage at Blizzard, which seems to be the norm around here these days. Don't read the thread/OP, don't try to understand what's going on, just go into a fit calling Blizzard all sorts of names!
As has been said a million times, if you don't agree with the rule, that's one thing. 'Blizzard is so greedy' is the single worst statement here.
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They could make accounts global if they actually cared about eSports. Just because they're within their rights to ban him doesn't make it right; those words are not synonyms. Blizzard was part of the problem; HuK and TLO found a solution, even if that solution was undermining Blizzard's TOS.
Instead of banning people, fix the problem which caused the infraction. Or do both.
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HuKs MMR on EU is so high, his only opponent in range is TLO's account ^^
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wow wtf?
Wait so they're not punished at least yet, right?
Don't worry guys, not everyone in any company is on the same page, for ex the guy who called might have just been a very strict person
otherwise, Blizzard would have punished everyone including teams that share team accounts like "SlayerS" or "MVP" that are used in tournies like the GSL
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Oh, I see. The difference is that HSC3 wasn't registered by Blizz? If they weren't, then that's understandable.
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On June 25 2011 02:16 Orf wrote:
In the US the EULA is not legally binding, does anyone know if this is true in the EU as well?
(I have no problem with them enforcing the rules to their game, I'm just curious about the implications of what is happening)
A EULA is treated as a contract, so it is legally binding in that way. However, just like a contract, if a EULA is unconstitutional or conflicts with other local laws, it may release the person who violated it.
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Deprive them of $50 and see how far they'll go.
It's embarrassing for a company to resort to acts like this.
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On June 25 2011 02:16 Orf wrote:
In the US the EULA is not legally binding, does anyone know if this is true in the EU as well?
(I have no problem with them enforcing the rules to their game, I'm just curious about the implications of what is happening)
Legally binding, meaning what? I'm pretty sure blizz can ban anyone they want for no reason, legally.
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Seems like a reasonable request when it is about the tournament as there is nothing stopping Huk from logging in and out to his own account in that situation.
That does not remove the ladder problem though. If ladder is used for things such as Blizzcon invites and it can't get someone with high MMR to play there is something wrong.
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Blizzard should watch more about their ladder mappool and dont waste so much time on that...
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On June 25 2011 00:48 VicTimEyes wrote:
Classic Blizzard to enforce the Terms of Use the players agreed on when installing the game.
Doesn't mean the rule isn't absolutely ridiculous.
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On June 25 2011 02:12 BasedSwag wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 02:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 25 2011 00:48 VicTimEyes wrote:
Classic Blizzard to enforce the Terms of Use the players agreed on when installing the game. +1 to this. I mean, most of the people here at TeamLiquid love HuK and TLO (duh), but they broke the rules that they originally agreed to follow. Now, ex post facto, you want the rules changed? Sigh. Blizzard endorses tournaments like GSL/GSTL which break their own rules, and force players to break the rules. The problem is they are hypocrites.
Yes exactly. They also break laws and they do it to save money and work. Huk paid for an account that doesn't work anymore (it can't play 1v1 ladder) and that is Blizzard's fault.
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I understand why they said something about it to them but to actually threaten action seems counter intuitive since TLO and HuK are to big names that have influence, influence that has probably gotten Blizz way more SC2 players. They need to find out ways to stop the piracy issue to implement LAN and prevent this junk in the first place. That's just my opinion though of course I'm no expert on the piracy issue and the various things stopping them but just knowing there a company there probably all about the money and not about finding out ways to kill the piracy issue "if" they make LAN available.
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On June 25 2011 02:26 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Seems like a reasonable request when it is about the tournament as there is nothing stopping Huk from logging in and out to his own account in that situation.
That does not remove the ladder problem though. If ladder is used for things such as Blizzcon invites and it can't get someone with high MMR to play there is something wrong.
He can't stream ladder games on his own account because he can't play ladder games on it. Is there some reason why Blizzard's policy on enforcing the account sharing rule should apply to TaKe's stream and not HuK's?
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On June 25 2011 02:26 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Seems like a reasonable request when it is about the tournament as there is nothing stopping Huk from logging in and out to his own account in that situation.
That does not remove the ladder problem though. If ladder is used for things such as Blizzcon invites and it can't get someone with high MMR to play there is something wrong.
It's a flaw in the MMR system :/
Huk may be good after coming back from korea, but regardless of his MMR, there are grandmasters players that would do fine against him
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Blizzard, how about instead of randomly wanting to discourage the breaking of your stupid rules, which happens regardless because there are sane people in the world, you GTFO and go fix Battle.net 0.2 so it actually works and has the features it should have so this wouldn't happen in the first place.
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How much longer till lan support ?
Oh i guess i will play BW.
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