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It is highly recommended that your read this entire thread - at least until page 10. If you make uninformed opinions that have been answered by the thread, col management or Destiny, you will be banned.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
June 22 2011 21:04 GMT
#141
Well this is unfortunate, I can only imagine one of the reasons was him not actually sporting the CoL brand on his SC2 account and stream he was just RootDestiny all this time, I'm sure that was one of the things frowned upon. Either way Goodluck to coL & Destiny in the future!
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
June 22 2011 21:04 GMT
#142
On June 23 2011 06:00 Jayrod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 05:46 ShadowDrgn wrote:
On June 23 2011 05:42 iNcontroL wrote:
this translates to me as a refusal to do normal team stuff like blog, post on site etc.. am I wrong?

In any regard I like destiny >_< wish he'd value community/teams more though.. he could grow as a player!


Well they didn't provide many details, but did mention opinions expressed on his stream and "professionalism." Honestly, no one watches Destiny just for his playing ability - he's popular for being wild. Complexity picking him up and expecting him to be a model G-rated player would be as stupid as EG requiring Idra to gg in all of his games.

He was an acquisition as part of a deal... its like when these wow guilds acquire each other to get stronger.. .you always have to take on some jobbers and then you begin immediately looking for reasons to get rid of them without rocking the boat. Destiny is a jobber... he's an okay player, but to be honest its not worth the headache trying to rein him in. Like, can anyone EG having a player like idra, minus the talent? IdrA is popular DESPITE his attitude while Destiny is popular DUE TO his attitude


I'm pretty sure Idra is popular because of his attitude as well. Idra rage is the only reason I ever heard of him, and even got interested in the Western sc2 scene, otherwise I'd just be purely following GSL.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
Traven
Profile Joined March 2011
United States160 Posts
June 22 2011 21:04 GMT
#143
On June 23 2011 06:02 Destiny wrote:
Sorry, I don't want to start any drama or anything, so here's my quip of the story

TL:DR : I signed the contract, I broke the contact, that's a pretty douche move.

Basically there'd been talks of ROOT/Complexity merging for a while, to relieve stress from catz/drewbie, which is cool, it gives them more time to play, etc...

One day, I got a message pretty much saying "hey, that contract is due tonight, you gotta sign it today". I pretty much had half a day to decide whether or not to sign, and it seemed like if I didn't sign, the deal would fall through for the rest of the team. I didn't want to mess up everyone's opportunities to move on with their career just because I felt uncomfortable, and there was nothing -too- objectionable in the contract, so I signed it.

In the following days, I had more time to think about it, and the more I turned it over in my head, the more problems I found with the arrangement, and the more reasons I found not to be associated with a major business SC2 team, at least not at this moment in time. I talked a long time to Catz, and had a few words with Jason, and eventually settled on the conclusion that I wouldn't actually be joining.

I respect your decision Destiny. We will still be cheering you on from the sidelines at any event you participate in. Keep up the good work and don't stop improving. You have come so far from when you started.
pavement ist rad
Profile Joined January 2007
United States226 Posts
June 22 2011 21:04 GMT
#144
Can we have specifics about what was disagreeable?
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
June 22 2011 21:05 GMT
#145
On June 23 2011 06:02 Destiny wrote:
Sorry, I don't want to start any drama or anything, so here's my quip of the story

TL:DR : I signed the contract, I broke the contact, that's a pretty douche move.

Basically there'd been talks of ROOT/Complexity merging for a while, to relieve stress from catz/drewbie, which is cool, it gives them more time to play, etc...

One day, I got a message pretty much saying "hey, that contract is due tonight, you gotta sign it today". I pretty much had half a day to decide whether or not to sign, and it seemed like if I didn't sign, the deal would fall through for the rest of the team. I didn't want to mess up everyone's opportunities to move on with their career just because I felt uncomfortable, and there was nothing -too- objectionable in the contract, so I signed it.

In the following days, I had more time to think about it, and the more I turned it over in my head, the more problems I found with the arrangement, and the more reasons I found not to be associated with a major business SC2 team, at least not at this moment in time. I talked a long time to Catz, and had a few words with Jason, and eventually settled on the conclusion that I wouldn't actually be joining.


Seems reasonable enough. Thanks for letting us know and before any real drama is started around whatever by one of the crazies on this forum.
Do you really want chat rooms?
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
June 22 2011 21:05 GMT
#146
On June 23 2011 06:01 -_- wrote:
Destiny is much more popular and influential in the Starcraft 2 community than coL. Their loss.



But at the end of the day they arent trying to be popular or influential (at least it isnt their main goal). They want to win. If they just wanted to be popular they'd sign Husky and TotalBiscuit.

Destiny is more of an entertainer than a pro player, and really good at that. I think this is the right choice for him and for coL.
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
June 22 2011 21:05 GMT
#147
On June 23 2011 05:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 05:53 Pokebunny wrote:
On June 23 2011 05:49 Torte de Lini wrote:
He's going to get picked up by Reign Gaming. It's almost VT's motto to pick up anyone that will give more exposure to VT.

...

That is so horribly wrong. Why would you even say something like that?


Why is it horrible? It could be wrong, but horrible; you're negatively seeing it. I'm basing it off my own experience and previous picks/choices made by VT.


Regardless, I think its wrong, seeing as Pokebunny is a part of the VT team and will know the inside out of his team.
WriterXiao8~~
Mairu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States222 Posts
June 22 2011 21:05 GMT
#148
On June 23 2011 06:02 Destiny wrote:
Sorry, I don't want to start any drama or anything, so here's my quip of the story

TL:DR : I signed the contract, I broke the contact, that's a pretty douche move.

Basically there'd been talks of ROOT/Complexity merging for a while, to relieve stress from catz/drewbie, which is cool, it gives them more time to play, etc...

One day, I got a message pretty much saying "hey, that contract is due tonight, you gotta sign it today". I pretty much had half a day to decide whether or not to sign, and it seemed like if I didn't sign, the deal would fall through for the rest of the team. I didn't want to mess up everyone's opportunities to move on with their career just because I felt uncomfortable, and there was nothing -too- objectionable in the contract, so I signed it.

In the following days, I had more time to think about it, and the more I turned it over in my head, the more problems I found with the arrangement, and the more reasons I found not to be associated with a major business SC2 team, at least not at this moment in time. I talked a long time to Catz, and had a few words with Jason, and eventually settled on the conclusion that I wouldn't actually be joining.

Someone put this in the OP so both sides are heard by all :O
chesshaha
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1117 Posts
June 22 2011 21:05 GMT
#149
I was just watching Destiny Talks To Supposed DDoS'er on youtube, kinda funny.

GL to Destiny, we need interesting characters in the SC2 community, that's why he has so many fans. Keep doing what your doing, good things will follow.
"Hopefully you're not the real TLO so it's not casted" - SpecialK
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 21:07:22
June 22 2011 21:06 GMT
#150
EDIT
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
June 22 2011 21:06 GMT
#151
Honestly I think destiny is pretty lucky if what complexity is saying is true. A breach of contract is nothing to look past, and could have meant a lot of trouble for him. I'm assuming there was nothing in the contract saying what he could and couldn't say though, otherwise he wouldn't have signed it.

Personally I don't hate or support destiny, but I have to say it's probably a good thing. If he struggles to find a team it will make sure other players don't start making ridiculously unprofessional obnoxious statements, even if it is on their stream.

Best of luck to him, I have a feeling he will need it.
I'm a gooner.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 22 2011 21:06 GMT
#152
On June 23 2011 06:02 Destiny wrote:
Sorry, I don't want to start any drama or anything, so here's my quip of the story

TL:DR : I signed the contract, I broke the contact, that's a pretty douche move.

Basically there'd been talks of ROOT/Complexity merging for a while, to relieve stress from catz/drewbie, which is cool, it gives them more time to play, etc...

One day, I got a message pretty much saying "hey, that contract is due tonight, you gotta sign it today". I pretty much had half a day to decide whether or not to sign, and it seemed like if I didn't sign, the deal would fall through for the rest of the team. I didn't want to mess up everyone's opportunities to move on with their career just because I felt uncomfortable, and there was nothing -too- objectionable in the contract, so I signed it.

In the following days, I had more time to think about it, and the more I turned it over in my head, the more problems I found with the arrangement, and the more reasons I found not to be associated with a major business SC2 team, at least not at this moment in time. I talked a long time to Catz, and had a few words with Jason, and eventually settled on the conclusion that I wouldn't actually be joining.


Add to the OP please.

I'd love to ask whether or not you knew you were going to get removed before this post (meaning your reaction on your stream was a troll) but I wouldn't expect an honest answer either way.
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
June 22 2011 21:06 GMT
#153
On June 23 2011 05:57 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 05:45 Chargelot wrote:
Interesting. So he was kicked solely because of his conduct on his personal stream?


There's no such thing as personal when you represent a corporation. Do you think if Wolf Blitzer was a gay bashing mysogynist on Twitter and claimed it was his personal belief, that it wouldn't reflect poorly on CNN?


What I mean is he wasn't on, say, iNcontroL's stream, he wasn't on NASL, he wasn't in GSL bm'ing in chat, instead he was on HIS stream with HIS name in it, where it doesn't and hasn't even said coL. His ladder name is still ROOTDestiny, his stream says "Destiny", etc.
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SixPackAbs
Profile Joined September 2010
United States160 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 21:08:45
June 22 2011 21:07 GMT
#154
Hope you can find a team that goes along with your style, destiny.

User was warned for this post
lim1017
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1278 Posts
June 22 2011 21:07 GMT
#155
On June 23 2011 05:54 apm66 wrote:
I saw that coming. I'm sure I know what he wants and I'm sure he knows what's best for him.

Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 05:52 lim1017 wrote:
how did he react on stream after finding out? Was he sad, mad or more like the I dont care attitude

Did you even read what complexity wrote?


what does what complexity wrote have to do with how he reacted on stream?

maybe they had the talk but he didnt think they would go though it or w/e.
Rasmussen
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark67 Posts
June 22 2011 21:07 GMT
#156
Destiny is one of few that doesn't really need a team. With his fanbase and the money he makes of steaming, he will do fine alone.
Immanis
Profile Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
June 22 2011 21:07 GMT
#157
For a man with a small child and who claims to stream to make money... he sure acts like a child. Being in complexity was a great opportunity for him. But on the same note... fck it... I'm sure he will be fine.
j4ckd4v13z
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom98 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 21:08:19
June 22 2011 21:07 GMT
#158
Not saying the players you picked up from root are bad but you

1) Didn't pick Kiwi and Slush - Arguably the two best players

2) Kicked Destiny in a "BM" way by not informing him - most influential player

User was temp banned for this post.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
June 22 2011 21:07 GMT
#159
On June 23 2011 06:04 KimJongChill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 06:00 Jayrod wrote:
On June 23 2011 05:46 ShadowDrgn wrote:
On June 23 2011 05:42 iNcontroL wrote:
this translates to me as a refusal to do normal team stuff like blog, post on site etc.. am I wrong?

In any regard I like destiny >_< wish he'd value community/teams more though.. he could grow as a player!


Well they didn't provide many details, but did mention opinions expressed on his stream and "professionalism." Honestly, no one watches Destiny just for his playing ability - he's popular for being wild. Complexity picking him up and expecting him to be a model G-rated player would be as stupid as EG requiring Idra to gg in all of his games.

He was an acquisition as part of a deal... its like when these wow guilds acquire each other to get stronger.. .you always have to take on some jobbers and then you begin immediately looking for reasons to get rid of them without rocking the boat. Destiny is a jobber... he's an okay player, but to be honest its not worth the headache trying to rein him in. Like, can anyone EG having a player like idra, minus the talent? IdrA is popular DESPITE his attitude while Destiny is popular DUE TO his attitude


I'm pretty sure Idra is popular because of his attitude as well. Idra rage is the only reason I ever heard of him, and even got interested in the Western sc2 scene, otherwise I'd just be purely following GSL.


Idra was the only American to stay in Korea for 2+ years training with a Korean pro team, and has been the top American SC2 player since the beta. That alone would make him famous even without the rage.
AzurewinD
Profile Joined November 2010
United States569 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 21:11:03
June 22 2011 21:08 GMT
#160
On June 23 2011 06:02 Destiny wrote:
Sorry, I don't want to start any drama or anything, so here's my quip of the story

TL:DR : I signed the contract, I broke the contact, that's a pretty douche move.

Basically there'd been talks of ROOT/Complexity merging for a while, to relieve stress from catz/drewbie, which is cool, it gives them more time to play, etc...

One day, I got a message pretty much saying "hey, that contract is due tonight, you gotta sign it today". I pretty much had half a day to decide whether or not to sign, and it seemed like if I didn't sign, the deal would fall through for the rest of the team. I didn't want to mess up everyone's opportunities to move on with their career just because I felt uncomfortable, and there was nothing -too- objectionable in the contract, so I signed it.

In the following days, I had more time to think about it, and the more I turned it over in my head, the more problems I found with the arrangement, and the more reasons I found not to be associated with a major business SC2 team, at least not at this moment in time. I talked a long time to Catz, and had a few words with Jason, and eventually settled on the conclusion that I wouldn't actually be joining.



Seems reasonable enough. No harm there, besides what's been already expressed.

Despite Mr. Bonnell’s agreement to exercise solid judgment and professionalism in his trade, some of the polarizing opinions being expressed on his stream were in direct opposition the values compLexity has stood for since 2003. This behavior made our decision clear and Mr. Bonnell has been released from any and all contractual obligations


So what is this all about? [edit: worded too strongly]

Why is that relevant at all to this discussion? Seems like coL is shooting a man when he's down. So suddenly its all about his behavior on stream and not about his apprehensions of joining a major organization?

If Steven wanted to leave for whatever reasons are his own, then thats that. Whats the need to bring up "polarizing opinions being expressed on his stream"?
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