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RaFeStaR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States161 Posts
June 23 2011 19:16 GMT
#1061
On June 24 2011 04:06 PhillehC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 03:58 RaFeStaR wrote:
I'm really glad I took DRG for my anti team o_O *sigh*


I feel your pain bro, I'm on minus 5 points now



-7 for me :[ I really thought taking him for my anti team was a stellar move seeing at how high he was placed and all, boy was I wrong lol.
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
June 23 2011 20:12 GMT
#1062
My first any kind of fantasy league I take part in but damn it wish I would have put more thought into this, only ended up with +1 after first day. + Show Spoiler +
Was counting on Guineapig either losing or not playing so put him in my anti-team. Also thought Boxer wouldn't show up so ended up removing him from the team in the end. Also I didn't take into account the fact that Slayers may actually lose..


I probably also took way too many ogs players into my original team seeing that they won't be playing for a while.

Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
June 23 2011 20:22 GMT
#1063
I didn't think players would change in value so much, I feel silly for choosing a player who starts in week 3 now. Also how come Genius and Keen have lost value? All the other MvP players who didn't play sightly gained in value.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
June 23 2011 20:24 GMT
#1064
On June 24 2011 05:22 Eufouria wrote:
I didn't think players would change in value so much, I feel silly for choosing a player who starts in week 3 now. Also how come Genius and Keen have lost value? All the other MvP players who didn't play sightly gained in value.


because players of lower values actually played
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
DeckOneBell
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States526 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 20:27:21
June 23 2011 20:26 GMT
#1065
On June 24 2011 03:54 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 03:47 DeckOneBell wrote:
On June 24 2011 03:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On June 24 2011 03:22 FuzzyJAM wrote:
DRG was such an easy choice. He's the ace amongst a bunch of mediocre players who has shown the ability to take down anyone and who, thanks to failing to qualify for Code A yet again, will be concentrating fully on this. DRG has literally won half of MVP's games in the team leagues and has only lost one game.

I don't understand how anyone could not have picked DRG.


I'm an idiot, that's why.

Ugh, only got one point this week. But since my points are spread out everywhere it should increase very slowly over the season. I'm not a fan of putting most of your points into a single player and team.


I'm just going to rain all over your parade and point out that extreme savvy trades can get your points to constantly go up week by week instead of just a slow increase.

I can understand not picking DRG though. I didn't expect him to do that well, tbh. And the GanZi game was pretty close. If GanZi won, then he would've been worth the same as DRG for half the points initially.

DRG just seems really hard to snipe, which is a really good quality to have.


Not that slowly. IM and ST are playing tomorrow, and I think Squirtle/Younghwa should do very well in their matches. But this is my first time in FL, trading tips would be helpful. ^_^

I was hesitant on him for a while and decided to pick Polt instead. Prime's roster is somewhat weaker than MVP's and they will rely on him just as much as DRG. MVP already beat their toughest opponent and their mid-tier players should look better for the rest of the season. I'm just hoping they put Violet out for ZvZ and ZvP, but god...so many terrans in the Jupiter Group. >_<


A lot of it seems to be based on which teams are actually playing, and which players those teams will play. That means some of the "worse" players that exist in a team without very many of that player's race will play.

An easy example would be picking a SlayerS terran. Those are probably not going to get too many points, because of how many good terrans there are. For instance, GanZi, Ryung, MMA, BoxeR are all clearly shown to be playable for SlayerS, which means it's fairly unlikely for the SlayerS terran you chose to rack up a killstreak for mad points. MMA is probably overpriced for this reason, they're unlikely to send him out early, in order for other players to get experience, and also to use him as a trump card.

I think Polt will actually prove to be a good choice, the problem with Polt is that MarineKing is in the same team, so there's two terrans vying for ace position, which is kind of rough again on how often they'll show up and how many wins they'll make.

EDIT: To expand on the Polt situation a bit more, you either want Prime to send Polt out early and for him to destroy a lot of players, or for MarineKing to not win too many games if he's out. Kinda weird to root against a teammate, but wins are worth more than the entire team winning.
Le BucheRON
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada619 Posts
June 23 2011 20:26 GMT
#1066
On June 24 2011 05:22 Eufouria wrote:
I didn't think players would change in value so much, I feel silly for choosing a player who starts in week 3 now. Also how come Genius and Keen have lost value? All the other MvP players who didn't play sightly gained in value.


I hear you. This is my first time doing a fantasy league thing of anykind though, I chose my dream team of Foreigners and OGS members but in hindsight, I should have chosen players who played in the first week or two, then traded them... Oh, well I'll just have to wait till next season, I'm sure it will still be fun.
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DeckOneBell
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States526 Posts
June 23 2011 20:28 GMT
#1067
On June 24 2011 05:26 Le BucheRON wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 05:22 Eufouria wrote:
I didn't think players would change in value so much, I feel silly for choosing a player who starts in week 3 now. Also how come Genius and Keen have lost value? All the other MvP players who didn't play sightly gained in value.


I hear you. This is my first time doing a fantasy league thing of anykind though, I chose my dream team of Foreigners and OGS members but in hindsight, I should have chosen players who played in the first week or two, then traded them... Oh, well I'll just have to wait till next season, I'm sure it will still be fun.


Don't be too downhearted, it's possible to generate a lot of points without any trades too. And just play against your friends, instead of playing against everybody. Because there's a shit ton of people on TL forums.
asperger
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1310 Posts
June 23 2011 20:38 GMT
#1068
I actually don't think you need to trade that much. Maybe to pick up Soccer or Moon when F.United's time comes, but other than that I'll just trade good players who have been underperforming.
Nestea | Puzzle | DongRaeGu | YongHwa
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 20:48:34
June 23 2011 20:38 GMT
#1069
On June 24 2011 05:26 Le BucheRON wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 05:22 Eufouria wrote:
I didn't think players would change in value so much, I feel silly for choosing a player who starts in week 3 now. Also how come Genius and Keen have lost value? All the other MvP players who didn't play sightly gained in value.


I hear you. This is my first time doing a fantasy league thing of anykind though, I chose my dream team of Foreigners and OGS members but in hindsight, I should have chosen players who played in the first week or two, then traded them... Oh, well I'll just have to wait till next season, I'm sure it will still be fun.

I've played fantasy football before, but the players don't change in value by so much so fast. If a high points player scored a hat-trick in football they'd probably gain in a value by a fair amount, but DonRaeGu is 135% of what he cost after 1 game, and its not like its a sudden surprise that he's that good. I think I prefer this format because it encourages clever transferring week to week.

On June 24 2011 05:24 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 05:22 Eufouria wrote:
I didn't think players would change in value so much, I feel silly for choosing a player who starts in week 3 now. Also how come Genius and Keen have lost value? All the other MvP players who didn't play sightly gained in value.


because players of lower values actually played

Oh ok. So because Violet and Noblesse played, the players who cost more points than them and didn't play all lost value. I think that makes Ryung and Ganzi less valuable than they appear to be, just because they're by no means guaranteed to get put in, and if Taeja, Min or Frozen gets put in and they don't then they'll go down in value.

edit:I've just thought now. The value of our players is now irrelevant right? I assume as long as we trade down (or up in the case of anti-team players) it doesn't matter if we go over the limit. Also do players change by a flat rate, or exponentially. I'd guess exponentially where it converges, but never reaches, 0 and some predetermined upper limit. Or can we have players, who still have games to play, with a value of 0, and players who are worth absurd amounts of points?
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 20:40:36
June 23 2011 20:39 GMT
#1070
On June 24 2011 05:26 DeckOneBell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 03:54 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On June 24 2011 03:47 DeckOneBell wrote:
On June 24 2011 03:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On June 24 2011 03:22 FuzzyJAM wrote:
DRG was such an easy choice. He's the ace amongst a bunch of mediocre players who has shown the ability to take down anyone and who, thanks to failing to qualify for Code A yet again, will be concentrating fully on this. DRG has literally won half of MVP's games in the team leagues and has only lost one game.

I don't understand how anyone could not have picked DRG.


I'm an idiot, that's why.

Ugh, only got one point this week. But since my points are spread out everywhere it should increase very slowly over the season. I'm not a fan of putting most of your points into a single player and team.


I'm just going to rain all over your parade and point out that extreme savvy trades can get your points to constantly go up week by week instead of just a slow increase.

I can understand not picking DRG though. I didn't expect him to do that well, tbh. And the GanZi game was pretty close. If GanZi won, then he would've been worth the same as DRG for half the points initially.

DRG just seems really hard to snipe, which is a really good quality to have.


Not that slowly. IM and ST are playing tomorrow, and I think Squirtle/Younghwa should do very well in their matches. But this is my first time in FL, trading tips would be helpful. ^_^

I was hesitant on him for a while and decided to pick Polt instead. Prime's roster is somewhat weaker than MVP's and they will rely on him just as much as DRG. MVP already beat their toughest opponent and their mid-tier players should look better for the rest of the season. I'm just hoping they put Violet out for ZvZ and ZvP, but god...so many terrans in the Jupiter Group. >_<


A lot of it seems to be based on which teams are actually playing, and which players those teams will play. That means some of the "worse" players that exist in a team without very many of that player's race will play.

An easy example would be picking a SlayerS terran. Those are probably not going to get too many points, because of how many good terrans there are. For instance, GanZi, Ryung, MMA, BoxeR are all clearly shown to be playable for SlayerS, which means it's fairly unlikely for the SlayerS terran you chose to rack up a killstreak for mad points. MMA is probably overpriced for this reason, they're unlikely to send him out early, in order for other players to get experience, and also to use him as a trump card.

I think Polt will actually prove to be a good choice, the problem with Polt is that MarineKing is in the same team, so there's two terrans vying for ace position, which is kind of rough again on how often they'll show up and how many wins they'll make.

EDIT: To expand on the Polt situation a bit more, you either want Prime to send Polt out early and for him to destroy a lot of players, or for MarineKing to not win too many games if he's out. Kinda weird to root against a teammate, but wins are worth more than the entire team winning.


Hmm...I chose Taeja because he was cheap and he's been performing exceptionally well over the last few months. He destroyed MarineKing and nearly beat July in the CotH finals, so I thought SlayerS would be more willing to use him.

I still believe MarineKing will be reserved to be the final ace: he's been more consistent than Polt over the seasons. Any opposing team will be hesitant to use a Protoss against Prime, and Polt's TvT is much stronger than it's been in the past.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
asperger
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1310 Posts
June 23 2011 20:45 GMT
#1071
On June 24 2011 05:38 asperger wrote:
I actually don't think you need to trade that much. Maybe to pick up Soccer or Moon when F.United's time comes, but other than that I'll just trade good players who have been underperforming.

This is of course if you spread your picks reasonably thin. I got two on IM, otherwise I have one on every team (skipping TSL, Prime, FXO and F.U.)
Nestea | Puzzle | DongRaeGu | YongHwa
chesshaha
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1117 Posts
June 23 2011 20:53 GMT
#1072
Glad that DongRaeGu did well today, he was actually on my anti team originally.

I actually switched Alicia + Creator with GuMiho + CoCa, hopefully it will pay off. Alicia did so well today, probably a bad move on me.
"Hopefully you're not the real TLO so it's not casted" - SpecialK
Bengui
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada775 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 21:02:49
June 23 2011 20:58 GMT
#1073
I didn't pay attention to the schedule and picked soccer...
Anyone has any suggestion about who i should trade him for ? I need a one point player that has acceptable chances of getting 3 points (to offset the trade penalties) from weeks 2 to 5. I already have HuK.
Maybe NuclearfOu ? oGsJookto ? Or an FXO player ? (I don't know them very much).
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
June 23 2011 21:05 GMT
#1074
Just curious, when the starting lineup for eah week are released, will that increase the trade value of those starting players? Because then It might be a good idea to pick up who you think will start ahead or the curve.
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
asperger
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1310 Posts
June 23 2011 21:11 GMT
#1075
On June 24 2011 05:53 chesshaha wrote:
Glad that DongRaeGu did well today, he was actually on my anti team originally.

I actually switched Alicia + Creator with GuMiho + CoCa, hopefully it will pay off. Alicia did so well today, probably a bad move on me.

Well, I have GumiHo as well as Alicia, but I don't think GumiHo could be a bad pick, he played every match for fOu last TL, and did exceptionally well.
Nestea | Puzzle | DongRaeGu | YongHwa
Nexic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States729 Posts
June 23 2011 21:14 GMT
#1076
On June 24 2011 06:05 Emporio wrote:
Just curious, when the starting lineup for eah week are released, will that increase the trade value of those starting players? Because then It might be a good idea to pick up who you think will start ahead or the curve.
do the starters actually get announced each week? I would seriously doubt it as it takes out some of that surprise factor, I haven't watched GSTLs in the past but I saw that once MVP was sent out first, certainly that wouldn't be announced
Phenny
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1435 Posts
June 23 2011 21:31 GMT
#1077
Oh, we had to actually enter it into that thingy and not just randomly post our team in here, well I balls'd that up didn't I...
asperger
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1310 Posts
June 23 2011 21:33 GMT
#1078
On June 24 2011 06:14 Nexic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 06:05 Emporio wrote:
Just curious, when the starting lineup for eah week are released, will that increase the trade value of those starting players? Because then It might be a good idea to pick up who you think will start ahead or the curve.
do the starters actually get announced each week? I would seriously doubt it as it takes out some of that surprise factor, I haven't watched GSTLs in the past but I saw that once MVP was sent out first, certainly that wouldn't be announced

No, I don't think that has been announced before. Perhaps it's standard in this new tournament?
Nestea | Puzzle | DongRaeGu | YongHwa
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
June 23 2011 21:50 GMT
#1079
How many points does a team get for a win, is it 2? Also looking at the person in first place how did guinea pig get 4 points, that makes no sense.
asperger
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1310 Posts
June 23 2011 21:53 GMT
#1080
On June 24 2011 06:50 Scrandom wrote:
How many points does a team get for a win, is it 2? Also looking at the person in first place how did guinea pig get 4 points, that makes no sense.

GuineaPig broke a 2-streak and earned two extra points. How many points a team gets for a win depends on the score. It's all stated in the rules.
Nestea | Puzzle | DongRaeGu | YongHwa
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