I will disagree with the lack of trade options.

the gamesleft^2 square factor means a huge tradevalue drop off between players with 2 games left vs players with 3 games left (and between gamesleft=1 and gamesleft=2 players). This implies that relatively speaking, as long as you're willing to take a 1-series hit, you can trade-up your mediocre players for some really good ones.

Hopefully I will have time to expand on this chain of thought later on this week.

mrbamboo

United States415 Posts

July 26 2011 21:02 GMT

#2262

On July 27 2011 04:35 Primadog wrote:
I will disagree with the lack of trade options.

the gamesleft^2 square factor means a huge tradevalue drop off between players with 2 games left vs players with 3 games left (and between gamesleft=1 and gamesleft=2 players). This implies that relatively speaking, as long as you're willing to take a 1-series hit, you can trade-up your mediocre players for some really good ones.

Hopefully I will have time to expand on this chain of thought later on this week.

I understand your point. The trade off is when you trade 2 round player for 1 round player is that you lose 50% of series the player plays. So the new player needs to have double the point earning potential per match just to break even. No, more than double because of the trade tax. It's better to pick a player that gets played a lot and consistently get 1-2 wins for multiple rounds than to get an amazing player that may or may not get played but could possibly get 3-all kills. I've always been a proponent of trading for players with more matches left because they get more opportunities.

edit: In the end it all comes down to
Expected point earned per round * number of matches left - 1 (trade tax) to see if a trade is worth it or not.

if you are losing 33%-50% on number of matches, you need to add 50%-100% in expected points they will earn you per round in fantasy. Actually more cuz of trade tax. And personally I just don't see any of that for any of the players I have. I'd much rather have someone like Puzzle/GuMiho for 2 rounds than MC/Bomber for 1 round. This may make more sense for other people that are stuck with a low value player who has more matches left. But all the players on my team I believe have high enough point earning potential for this not to be worth it.

KDot2

United States1213 Posts

July 27 2011 05:27 GMT

#2263

so people are still really sure Naniwa is going to do well ?

what do you think about trading

July for Puzzle and Inca for Byun ?

gullberg

Sweden1301 Posts

July 27 2011 15:37 GMT

#2264

Lead offs?

Fanta_Rules

Sweden669 Posts

July 27 2011 18:00 GMT

#2265

Why the f*ck isn't the PuMa trade free, like FruitDealer and Tester were? Screw this shit. This season has been a joke.

Sakarabu

United Kingdom132 Posts

July 27 2011 23:37 GMT

#2266

On July 27 2011 14:27 ShooTouts wrote:
so people are still really sure Naniwa is going to do well ?

He has a good chance to do well based off foreigner results recently and how he has been playing. But the really good thing is that the team is so small and he is quite a confident player, also moon and lyn might be saved as aces for that team, so he is almost guaranteed to play a game every week imo. I wish I had him on my team, i'm hoping he plays in their first match and suffers some nerves so I can get him cheap for the next week :D

ThatGuy89

United Kingdom1968 Posts

July 28 2011 08:49 GMT

#2267

made my first trade - IM for F.United pretty obvious trade imo
just wanna wait for the leads so i can trade again
already have naniwa and i dont think i want thorzain seeing as how nearly every korean Terran is good at TvT

asperger

Sweden1310 Posts

July 28 2011 14:29 GMT

#2268

On July 28 2011 03:00 Fanta_Rules wrote:
Why the f*ck isn't the PuMa trade free, like FruitDealer and Tester were? Screw this shit. This season has been a joke.

Manner up! I really think the Puma trade should be free, though, I feel seriously cheated of an awesome player that I worked up a lot of points for.

Fanta_Rules

Sweden669 Posts

July 28 2011 18:27 GMT

#2269

On July 28 2011 23:29 asperger wrote:

Show nested quote +

Manner up! I really think the Puma trade should be free, though, I feel seriously cheated of an awesome player that I worked up a lot of points for.

Got a little annoyed, and yeah, same here.

Beyonder

Netherlands15103 Posts

July 31 2011 11:06 GMT

#2270

Hm, where are the leadoffs T_T

asperger

Sweden1310 Posts

July 31 2011 16:49 GMT

#2271

On July 31 2011 20:06 Beyonder wrote:
Hm, where are the leadoffs T_T

They are usually announced Monday/Tuesday before the games, so probably tomorrow. The week-long break has featured roster updating, so that's why it wasn't announced during last week. (or so I assume).

Swap

Sweden144 Posts

July 31 2011 16:54 GMT

#2272

A statement regarding Puma would be nice. He's a quite popular player, on many team rosters. I think he should be tradable without penalty at least.

Gh86

646 Posts

August 01 2011 05:55 GMT

#2273

GSTL Jupiter 6주차 경기 선봉

Prime.WE ( (P)

MarineKing) vs SlayerS ( (T)

Taeja)

GSTL Venus 6주차 경기 선봉

StarTale (T)

Bomber) vs IM ( (T)

MVP)

I have no idea what is going on here, but the match ups are wow if correct.

Got it from this site:
http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/community/list.gom?mbid=1&c=info
under the 2011 GSTL Season 1 6주차 선봉 및 팀 순위 공지 (8) topic

Edit: Just realized MarineKing is listed as Protoss

Kettchup

United States1911 Posts

August 01 2011 06:02 GMT

#2274

Schedule has ST/IM as a week 10 match, so I don't know if that's accurate, unless they switched things around.

Gh86

646 Posts

August 01 2011 06:37 GMT

#2275

Checked the GOMSite, it's legit.

http://www.gomtv.net/2011gstls1/schedule/

It seems to be changed to accommodate the Boxer vs YellOw showmatch on the 5th(Friday) at 10pm KST - Just what I think though

Mangix

United States115 Posts

August 01 2011 16:08 GMT

#2276

On August 01 2011 14:55 Gh86 wrote:
GSTL Jupiter 6주차 경기 선봉

Prime.WE ( (P)

MarineKing) vs SlayerS ( (T)

Taeja)

GSTL Venus 6주차 경기 선봉

StarTale (T)

Bomber) vs IM ( (T)

wow if these are correct these are going to be really close.
MKP is in a slump so the value of a cheap Taeja could be worth it. Also MVP is on fire from MLG owning Terrans all over the place, however he might be really tired from the flight back...

I don't know if I should trade Huk for MVP.. ><

Edit: startale isnt listed to play during week 6????

Skyze

Canada2324 Posts

August 01 2011 16:17 GMT

#2277

I hope its true, I traded Huk for MVP. Figured MVP is gonna go on a rampage.

DoomsVille

Canada4885 Posts

August 01 2011 16:47 GMT

#2278

Oh, so I guess F.United doesn't start until next week. This is good for them as thorzain/nani have the blizzard invitational this weekend. Would have been hectic trying to get to both.

EDIT: Looks like F.United plays two games in one week (8) lol