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Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 19:37:00
July 26 2011 19:35 GMT
#2261
I will disagree with the lack of trade options.

the gamesleft^2 square factor means a huge tradevalue drop off between players with 2 games left vs players with 3 games left (and between gamesleft=1 and gamesleft=2 players). This implies that relatively speaking, as long as you're willing to take a 1-series hit, you can trade-up your mediocre players for some really good ones.

Hopefully I will have time to expand on this chain of thought later on this week.
Thank God and gunrun.
mrbamboo
Profile Joined December 2010
United States415 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 21:35:56
July 26 2011 21:02 GMT
#2262
On July 27 2011 04:35 Primadog wrote:
I will disagree with the lack of trade options.

the gamesleft^2 square factor means a huge tradevalue drop off between players with 2 games left vs players with 3 games left (and between gamesleft=1 and gamesleft=2 players). This implies that relatively speaking, as long as you're willing to take a 1-series hit, you can trade-up your mediocre players for some really good ones.

Hopefully I will have time to expand on this chain of thought later on this week.


I understand your point. The trade off is when you trade 2 round player for 1 round player is that you lose 50% of series the player plays. So the new player needs to have double the point earning potential per match just to break even. No, more than double because of the trade tax. It's better to pick a player that gets played a lot and consistently get 1-2 wins for multiple rounds than to get an amazing player that may or may not get played but could possibly get 3-all kills. I've always been a proponent of trading for players with more matches left because they get more opportunities.

edit: In the end it all comes down to
Expected point earned per round * number of matches left - 1 (trade tax) to see if a trade is worth it or not.

if you are losing 33%-50% on number of matches, you need to add 50%-100% in expected points they will earn you per round in fantasy. Actually more cuz of trade tax. And personally I just don't see any of that for any of the players I have. I'd much rather have someone like Puzzle/GuMiho for 2 rounds than MC/Bomber for 1 round. This may make more sense for other people that are stuck with a low value player who has more matches left. But all the players on my team I believe have high enough point earning potential for this not to be worth it.
KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
July 27 2011 05:27 GMT
#2263
so people are still really sure Naniwa is going to do well ?

what do you think about trading

July for Puzzle and Inca for Byun ?
gullberg
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden1301 Posts
July 27 2011 15:37 GMT
#2264
Lead offs?
Fanta_Rules
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden669 Posts
July 27 2011 18:00 GMT
#2265
Why the f*ck isn't the PuMa trade free, like FruitDealer and Tester were? Screw this shit. This season has been a joke.
Sakarabu
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom132 Posts
July 27 2011 23:37 GMT
#2266
On July 27 2011 14:27 ShooTouts wrote:
so people are still really sure Naniwa is going to do well ?


He has a good chance to do well based off foreigner results recently and how he has been playing. But the really good thing is that the team is so small and he is quite a confident player, also moon and lyn might be saved as aces for that team, so he is almost guaranteed to play a game every week imo. I wish I had him on my team, i'm hoping he plays in their first match and suffers some nerves so I can get him cheap for the next week :D
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
July 28 2011 08:49 GMT
#2267
made my first trade - IM for F.United pretty obvious trade imo
just wanna wait for the leads so i can trade again
already have naniwa and i dont think i want thorzain seeing as how nearly every korean Terran is good at TvT
asperger
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1310 Posts
July 28 2011 14:29 GMT
#2268
On July 28 2011 03:00 Fanta_Rules wrote:
Why the f*ck isn't the PuMa trade free, like FruitDealer and Tester were? Screw this shit. This season has been a joke.

Manner up! I really think the Puma trade should be free, though, I feel seriously cheated of an awesome player that I worked up a lot of points for.
Nestea | Puzzle | DongRaeGu | YongHwa
Fanta_Rules
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden669 Posts
July 28 2011 18:27 GMT
#2269
On July 28 2011 23:29 asperger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 03:00 Fanta_Rules wrote:
Why the f*ck isn't the PuMa trade free, like FruitDealer and Tester were? Screw this shit. This season has been a joke.

Manner up! I really think the Puma trade should be free, though, I feel seriously cheated of an awesome player that I worked up a lot of points for.

Got a little annoyed, and yeah, same here.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
July 31 2011 11:06 GMT
#2270
Hm, where are the leadoffs T_T
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asperger
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1310 Posts
July 31 2011 16:49 GMT
#2271
On July 31 2011 20:06 Beyonder wrote:
Hm, where are the leadoffs T_T

They are usually announced Monday/Tuesday before the games, so probably tomorrow. The week-long break has featured roster updating, so that's why it wasn't announced during last week. (or so I assume).
Nestea | Puzzle | DongRaeGu | YongHwa
Swap
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden144 Posts
July 31 2011 16:54 GMT
#2272
A statement regarding Puma would be nice. He's a quite popular player, on many team rosters. I think he should be tradable without penalty at least.
he he... ja
Gh86
Profile Joined June 2011
646 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 05:59:05
August 01 2011 05:55 GMT
#2273
GSTL Jupiter 6주차 경기 선봉

Prime.WE ((P)MarineKing) vs SlayerS ((T)Taeja)

GSTL Venus 6주차 경기 선봉

StarTale (T)Bomber) vs IM ((T)MVP)

I have no idea what is going on here, but the match ups are wow if correct.

Got it from this site:
http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/community/list.gom?mbid=1&c=info
under the 2011 GSTL Season 1 6주차 선봉 및 팀 순위 공지 (8) topic

Edit: Just realized MarineKing is listed as Protoss
Kettchup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1911 Posts
August 01 2011 06:02 GMT
#2274
Schedule has ST/IM as a week 10 match, so I don't know if that's accurate, unless they switched things around.
Gh86
Profile Joined June 2011
646 Posts
August 01 2011 06:37 GMT
#2275
Checked the GOMSite, it's legit.

http://www.gomtv.net/2011gstls1/schedule/

It seems to be changed to accommodate the Boxer vs YellOw showmatch on the 5th(Friday) at 10pm KST - Just what I think though
Mangix
Profile Joined June 2011
United States115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 16:15:14
August 01 2011 16:08 GMT
#2276
On August 01 2011 14:55 Gh86 wrote:
GSTL Jupiter 6주차 경기 선봉

Prime.WE ((P)MarineKing) vs SlayerS ((T)Taeja)

GSTL Venus 6주차 경기 선봉

StarTale (T)Bomber) vs IM ((T)MVP)

I have no idea what is going on here, but the match ups are wow if correct.

Got it from this site:
http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/community/list.gom?mbid=1&c=info
under the 2011 GSTL Season 1 6주차 선봉 및 팀 순위 공지 (8) topic

Edit: Just realized MarineKing is listed as Protoss


wow if these are correct these are going to be really close.
MKP is in a slump so the value of a cheap Taeja could be worth it. Also MVP is on fire from MLG owning Terrans all over the place, however he might be really tired from the flight back...

I don't know if I should trade Huk for MVP.. ><


Edit: startale isnt listed to play during week 6????
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
August 01 2011 16:17 GMT
#2277
I hope its true, I traded Huk for MVP. Figured MVP is gonna go on a rampage.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 16:48:48
August 01 2011 16:47 GMT
#2278
Oh, so I guess F.United doesn't start until next week. This is good for them as thorzain/nani have the blizzard invitational this weekend. Would have been hectic trying to get to both.

EDIT: Looks like F.United plays two games in one week (8) lol

MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
August 01 2011 16:53 GMT
#2279
MVP vs Bomer, WOW. This is THE clash, so exciting.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
August 01 2011 16:54 GMT
#2280
Strange move from ST IMO

This leaves July as their ace. And LosirA or NesTea should be able to rip him apart in a ZvZ like np.
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