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On June 15 2011 04:37 Maliris wrote:Korean fanboys are adorable ^_^ koreans always say in interviews theres no difference between a korean and a foreigner, are you gonna tell them they are clueless too  ? Keep trying
Koreans are much more humble than most foreigners. If you truly believe the foreigners are just as good as the koreans, then go ahead, I won't stop you. Foreigner fanboys are even more adorable, thinking they are as strong as the korean scene when they've been stomped so hard. I love many foreigners. Huge fan of TLO, sen, jinro, and many more. But never in a 100 years would I say the current foreign sc2 players are anywhere near as strong as the koreans. If you don't believe it fine. I'll return to your quotes once the koreans sweep 123 like they did mlg and iem.
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NICE!
Bomber will own that shit for sure^^
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MC is the boss, he is truly the first starcraft 2 gaming jetsetter. I wonder why other Koreans don't like that lifestyle? Like anypro, MKP and Nada...
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On June 15 2011 03:58 xza wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 03:56 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:55 zeenix1 wrote:On June 15 2011 03:53 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:46 oxxo wrote:On June 15 2011 03:42 Karakaxe wrote:On June 15 2011 03:19 antelope591 wrote:On June 15 2011 03:12 Karakaxe wrote:On June 15 2011 03:09 rysecake wrote:On June 15 2011 02:15 Elem wrote:
[quote]Code S is hardly stacked. Especially not compared to Dreamhack.
Code S is at least 10x as stacked as Dreamhack. You have a few star koreans + some star foreigners + some no name/average foreigners. Hardly anywhere as stacked as any korean tournament. If you're going to pull numbers, be realistic. Maybe not 10x but the post he was replying to was a lot more idiotic. How many more foreign events do koreans have to sweep before people get the picture? Too bad MKP isn't attending he finally could've won an event -_-. MC/Bomber will still take 1/2 tho unless they meet earlier on. The rest is up for grabs imo What picture? It's already known (ofcourse there are exceptions) that Koreans are overall abit better than foreigners due to their way of practising (team houses) and so on... And saying MC/Bomber is auto 1 and 2 spots... They are freaking amazing players and are favourites, that's about it. I admit I would be very shocked if they didn't get 1/2 in their groups but I would not be suprised if none of them reached the finals. It's so sad to read that so many people put Koreans on a fucking pedestal, when the margin is alot closer than they want to admit. What's more truthful is that many foreigners such as yourself are in denial about how much better Koreans are than foreigners. Who cares what race they are? Just look at the skill level. Overall, Koreans are far better. nope. they got stomped in TSL3. TSL3 was online, which ends that argument. No, it does not actually. Thanks for trying champ yes it does, get out troll. 350 ping vs 30 ping. try it. ps: TSL3: everyone: LOLOLOL 'white dudes own korea' Korea: but it was lag  everyone: BUT YOU LOST! LOLOLOLOL. MLG Columbus everyone: wow.... we are way behind the koreans... 1st/2nd/3rd all koreans. koreans only lost to koreans in columbus... wow. Korea: told you it was lag. everyone: *starts thread about people getting owned at homesoil*
Idra could have easily taken at least 3rd had he not given up. Thorzain also could have probably placed higher on a different day, same with Naniwa who pretty much /danced his way to a loss.
If anything I'd say that Columbus's close games pretty much proved the difference between Koreans and Foreigners is pretty small. Top Koreans aren't much better than top foreigners (yet), however, Korea has a much more robust scene for sure.
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On June 15 2011 06:53 ThePhan2m wrote:
Many of them aren't going probably because they admit that they don't have a chance winning over the likes of MC or lose randomly to some other foreigners. The trip isn't worth it compared to the winning chance.
This is pretty naive. The competition, aside from the other Koreans and maybe a small, small number of foreigners, isn't that hard for the Koreans at all. Not to mention that it's only a 3 day commitment, it's pretty easy to see that this isn't the reason.
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July and Bomber, Startale fighting!
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On June 15 2011 08:13 Skwid1g wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 03:58 xza wrote:On June 15 2011 03:56 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:55 zeenix1 wrote:On June 15 2011 03:53 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:46 oxxo wrote:On June 15 2011 03:42 Karakaxe wrote:On June 15 2011 03:19 antelope591 wrote:On June 15 2011 03:12 Karakaxe wrote:On June 15 2011 03:09 rysecake wrote:
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Code S is at least 10x as stacked as Dreamhack. You have a few star koreans + some star foreigners + some no name/average foreigners. Hardly anywhere as stacked as any korean tournament. If you're going to pull numbers, be realistic. Maybe not 10x but the post he was replying to was a lot more idiotic. How many more foreign events do koreans have to sweep before people get the picture? Too bad MKP isn't attending he finally could've won an event -_-. MC/Bomber will still take 1/2 tho unless they meet earlier on. The rest is up for grabs imo What picture? It's already known (ofcourse there are exceptions) that Koreans are overall abit better than foreigners due to their way of practising (team houses) and so on... And saying MC/Bomber is auto 1 and 2 spots... They are freaking amazing players and are favourites, that's about it. I admit I would be very shocked if they didn't get 1/2 in their groups but I would not be suprised if none of them reached the finals. It's so sad to read that so many people put Koreans on a fucking pedestal, when the margin is alot closer than they want to admit. What's more truthful is that many foreigners such as yourself are in denial about how much better Koreans are than foreigners. Who cares what race they are? Just look at the skill level. Overall, Koreans are far better. nope. they got stomped in TSL3. TSL3 was online, which ends that argument. No, it does not actually. Thanks for trying champ yes it does, get out troll. 350 ping vs 30 ping. try it. ps: TSL3: everyone: LOLOLOL 'white dudes own korea' Korea: but it was lag everyone: BUT YOU LOST! LOLOLOLOL. MLG Columbus everyone: wow.... we are way behind the koreans... 1st/2nd/3rd all koreans. koreans only lost to koreans in columbus... wow. Korea: told you it was lag. everyone: *starts thread about people getting owned at homesoil* Idra could have easily taken at least 3rd had he not given up. Thorzain also could have probably placed higher on a different day, same with Naniwa who pretty much /danced his way to a loss. If anything I'd say that Columbus's close games pretty much proved the difference between Koreans and Foreigners is pretty small. Top Koreans aren't much better than top foreigners (yet), however, Korea has a much more robust scene for sure.
This is why foreign fanboys are so cute. Keep on deluding yourself, outside of the few games you mentioned, most weren't even close.
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Godamnit... I love Nada
Will miss him
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Foreigner can compete with Korea np its not a huge skill diffrence i mean remember when Jinro went to GSL and RO4 2 times in a row like np being the only one to beat MC. Foreigner scene is understimated. And where did Thorazin come from ? trust me their many more out there.
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On June 15 2011 08:18 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 08:13 Skwid1g wrote:On June 15 2011 03:58 xza wrote:On June 15 2011 03:56 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:55 zeenix1 wrote:On June 15 2011 03:53 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:46 oxxo wrote:On June 15 2011 03:42 Karakaxe wrote:On June 15 2011 03:19 antelope591 wrote:On June 15 2011 03:12 Karakaxe wrote:
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If you're going to pull numbers, be realistic. Maybe not 10x but the post he was replying to was a lot more idiotic. How many more foreign events do koreans have to sweep before people get the picture? Too bad MKP isn't attending he finally could've won an event -_-. MC/Bomber will still take 1/2 tho unless they meet earlier on. The rest is up for grabs imo What picture? It's already known (ofcourse there are exceptions) that Koreans are overall abit better than foreigners due to their way of practising (team houses) and so on... And saying MC/Bomber is auto 1 and 2 spots... They are freaking amazing players and are favourites, that's about it. I admit I would be very shocked if they didn't get 1/2 in their groups but I would not be suprised if none of them reached the finals. It's so sad to read that so many people put Koreans on a fucking pedestal, when the margin is alot closer than they want to admit. What's more truthful is that many foreigners such as yourself are in denial about how much better Koreans are than foreigners. Who cares what race they are? Just look at the skill level. Overall, Koreans are far better. nope. they got stomped in TSL3. TSL3 was online, which ends that argument. No, it does not actually. Thanks for trying champ yes it does, get out troll. 350 ping vs 30 ping. try it. ps: TSL3: everyone: LOLOLOL 'white dudes own korea' Korea: but it was lag everyone: BUT YOU LOST! LOLOLOLOL. MLG Columbus everyone: wow.... we are way behind the koreans... 1st/2nd/3rd all koreans. koreans only lost to koreans in columbus... wow. Korea: told you it was lag. everyone: *starts thread about people getting owned at homesoil* Idra could have easily taken at least 3rd had he not given up. Thorzain also could have probably placed higher on a different day, same with Naniwa who pretty much /danced his way to a loss. If anything I'd say that Columbus's close games pretty much proved the difference between Koreans and Foreigners is pretty small. Top Koreans aren't much better than top foreigners (yet), however, Korea has a much more robust scene for sure. This is why foreign fanboys are so cute. Keep on deluding yourself, outside of the few games you mentioned, most weren't even close.
Hahah Korean elitist crap,
Only reason why the koreans are mass declining dreamhack is becuase they affraid to get there ass kicked by the top EU pro´s and they should be affraid considering Dimaga kicked the crap out of Nestea.
I woulnt be supriced if GomTv told the koreans players not to go becuase they affriad what would happend if all the koreans lost and they lose there little number 1 sc2 tournament.
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On June 15 2011 08:18 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 08:13 Skwid1g wrote:On June 15 2011 03:58 xza wrote:On June 15 2011 03:56 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:55 zeenix1 wrote:On June 15 2011 03:53 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:46 oxxo wrote:On June 15 2011 03:42 Karakaxe wrote:On June 15 2011 03:19 antelope591 wrote:On June 15 2011 03:12 Karakaxe wrote:
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If you're going to pull numbers, be realistic. Maybe not 10x but the post he was replying to was a lot more idiotic. How many more foreign events do koreans have to sweep before people get the picture? Too bad MKP isn't attending he finally could've won an event -_-. MC/Bomber will still take 1/2 tho unless they meet earlier on. The rest is up for grabs imo What picture? It's already known (ofcourse there are exceptions) that Koreans are overall abit better than foreigners due to their way of practising (team houses) and so on... And saying MC/Bomber is auto 1 and 2 spots... They are freaking amazing players and are favourites, that's about it. I admit I would be very shocked if they didn't get 1/2 in their groups but I would not be suprised if none of them reached the finals. It's so sad to read that so many people put Koreans on a fucking pedestal, when the margin is alot closer than they want to admit. What's more truthful is that many foreigners such as yourself are in denial about how much better Koreans are than foreigners. Who cares what race they are? Just look at the skill level. Overall, Koreans are far better. nope. they got stomped in TSL3. TSL3 was online, which ends that argument. No, it does not actually. Thanks for trying champ yes it does, get out troll. 350 ping vs 30 ping. try it. ps: TSL3: everyone: LOLOLOL 'white dudes own korea' Korea: but it was lag everyone: BUT YOU LOST! LOLOLOLOL. MLG Columbus everyone: wow.... we are way behind the koreans... 1st/2nd/3rd all koreans. koreans only lost to koreans in columbus... wow. Korea: told you it was lag. everyone: *starts thread about people getting owned at homesoil* Idra could have easily taken at least 3rd had he not given up. Thorzain also could have probably placed higher on a different day, same with Naniwa who pretty much /danced his way to a loss. If anything I'd say that Columbus's close games pretty much proved the difference between Koreans and Foreigners is pretty small. Top Koreans aren't much better than top foreigners (yet), however, Korea has a much more robust scene for sure. This is why foreign fanboys are so cute. Keep on deluding yourself, outside of the few games you mentioned, most weren't even close.
The few games I mentioned? What? People like you honestly baffle me, Idra could win a GSL and you would cry about how Koreans are still so much better with no real evidence.
Most of the games Idra lost during that tournament (to Koreans) were games he was winning, but just decided to leave because he is Idra. He was ahead vs. MMA and completely stomped MC.
Naniwa lost because he /danced and then because of a BO loss, not because he got outplayed.
Losira almost lost to iNcontrol, who I wouldn't label as the strongest foreigner (no offense to him) at MLG.
Jinro and Idra both performed well in the GSL, even though Idra was a lot worse back then. World Championship had the foreigners lose by only 1 game against a team with Nestea, MC, MvP, etc. on it, and the foreign team was quite weak in all honesty.
You'll just constantly make excuses for the Koreans so this is sort of a waste of time, but your logic isn't sound in any way. You're taking 1 event where Koreans BARELY managed to take 1/2/3 and then say "KOREANS ARE SO MUCH BETTER LOLOL."
With that being said, the difference between foreigners and Koreans won't remain small for long, as I can almost guarantee that the top Koreans are practicing much harder than top foreigners.
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On June 15 2011 08:22 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 08:18 ch33psh33p wrote:On June 15 2011 08:13 Skwid1g wrote:On June 15 2011 03:58 xza wrote:On June 15 2011 03:56 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:55 zeenix1 wrote:On June 15 2011 03:53 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:46 oxxo wrote:On June 15 2011 03:42 Karakaxe wrote:On June 15 2011 03:19 antelope591 wrote:
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Maybe not 10x but the post he was replying to was a lot more idiotic. How many more foreign events do koreans have to sweep before people get the picture? Too bad MKP isn't attending he finally could've won an event -_-. MC/Bomber will still take 1/2 tho unless they meet earlier on. The rest is up for grabs imo What picture? It's already known (ofcourse there are exceptions) that Koreans are overall abit better than foreigners due to their way of practising (team houses) and so on... And saying MC/Bomber is auto 1 and 2 spots... They are freaking amazing players and are favourites, that's about it. I admit I would be very shocked if they didn't get 1/2 in their groups but I would not be suprised if none of them reached the finals. It's so sad to read that so many people put Koreans on a fucking pedestal, when the margin is alot closer than they want to admit. What's more truthful is that many foreigners such as yourself are in denial about how much better Koreans are than foreigners. Who cares what race they are? Just look at the skill level. Overall, Koreans are far better. nope. they got stomped in TSL3. TSL3 was online, which ends that argument. No, it does not actually. Thanks for trying champ yes it does, get out troll. 350 ping vs 30 ping. try it. ps: TSL3: everyone: LOLOLOL 'white dudes own korea' Korea: but it was lag everyone: BUT YOU LOST! LOLOLOLOL. MLG Columbus everyone: wow.... we are way behind the koreans... 1st/2nd/3rd all koreans. koreans only lost to koreans in columbus... wow. Korea: told you it was lag. everyone: *starts thread about people getting owned at homesoil* Idra could have easily taken at least 3rd had he not given up. Thorzain also could have probably placed higher on a different day, same with Naniwa who pretty much /danced his way to a loss. If anything I'd say that Columbus's close games pretty much proved the difference between Koreans and Foreigners is pretty small. Top Koreans aren't much better than top foreigners (yet), however, Korea has a much more robust scene for sure. This is why foreign fanboys are so cute. Keep on deluding yourself, outside of the few games you mentioned, most weren't even close. Hahah Korean elitist crap, Only reason why the koreans are mass declining dreamhack is becuase they affraid to get there ass kicked by the top EU pro´s and they should be affraid considering Dimaga kicked the crap out of Nestea. I woulnt be supriced if GomTv told the koreans players not to go becuase they affriad what would happend if all the koreans lost and they lose there little number 1 sc2 tournament.
Rofl, usually I don't respond to the Korea vs. foreigners arguments but this one is just idiotic. Dimaga beat Nestea in one bo3. Would you say that Dimaga is better than a 2 time GSL winner? Koreans DO have a higher overall skill level. Think about how many foreigners went to korea to compete in GSL but didn't even get into code A. Incontrol, Kiwikaki, Select, and even Huk and Jinro couldn't get into the GSL first try. Top end foreigners can definitely compete with Koreans but the mid-tier foreigners probably can't compete in GSL.
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On June 15 2011 08:22 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 08:18 ch33psh33p wrote:On June 15 2011 08:13 Skwid1g wrote:On June 15 2011 03:58 xza wrote:On June 15 2011 03:56 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:55 zeenix1 wrote:On June 15 2011 03:53 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:46 oxxo wrote:On June 15 2011 03:42 Karakaxe wrote:On June 15 2011 03:19 antelope591 wrote:
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Maybe not 10x but the post he was replying to was a lot more idiotic. How many more foreign events do koreans have to sweep before people get the picture? Too bad MKP isn't attending he finally could've won an event -_-. MC/Bomber will still take 1/2 tho unless they meet earlier on. The rest is up for grabs imo What picture? It's already known (ofcourse there are exceptions) that Koreans are overall abit better than foreigners due to their way of practising (team houses) and so on... And saying MC/Bomber is auto 1 and 2 spots... They are freaking amazing players and are favourites, that's about it. I admit I would be very shocked if they didn't get 1/2 in their groups but I would not be suprised if none of them reached the finals. It's so sad to read that so many people put Koreans on a fucking pedestal, when the margin is alot closer than they want to admit. What's more truthful is that many foreigners such as yourself are in denial about how much better Koreans are than foreigners. Who cares what race they are? Just look at the skill level. Overall, Koreans are far better. nope. they got stomped in TSL3. TSL3 was online, which ends that argument. No, it does not actually. Thanks for trying champ yes it does, get out troll. 350 ping vs 30 ping. try it. ps: TSL3: everyone: LOLOLOL 'white dudes own korea' Korea: but it was lag everyone: BUT YOU LOST! LOLOLOLOL. MLG Columbus everyone: wow.... we are way behind the koreans... 1st/2nd/3rd all koreans. koreans only lost to koreans in columbus... wow. Korea: told you it was lag. everyone: *starts thread about people getting owned at homesoil* Idra could have easily taken at least 3rd had he not given up. Thorzain also could have probably placed higher on a different day, same with Naniwa who pretty much /danced his way to a loss. If anything I'd say that Columbus's close games pretty much proved the difference between Koreans and Foreigners is pretty small. Top Koreans aren't much better than top foreigners (yet), however, Korea has a much more robust scene for sure. This is why foreign fanboys are so cute. Keep on deluding yourself, outside of the few games you mentioned, most weren't even close. Hahah Korean elitist crap, Only reason why the koreans are mass declining dreamhack is becuase they affraid to get there ass kicked by the top EU pro´s and they should be affraid considering Dimaga kicked the crap out of Nestea. I woulnt be supriced if GomTv told the koreans players not to go becuase they affriad what would happend if all the koreans lost and they lose there little number 1 sc2 tournament.
You drunk? This post just spews retardation. Nestea is overall a better player than Dimaga. Dimaga wins 2 games on Nestea and all of a sudden the koreans fear the europeans? Get out of here.
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On June 15 2011 08:28 MechKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 08:22 Nerdslayer wrote:On June 15 2011 08:18 ch33psh33p wrote:On June 15 2011 08:13 Skwid1g wrote:On June 15 2011 03:58 xza wrote:On June 15 2011 03:56 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:55 zeenix1 wrote:On June 15 2011 03:53 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:46 oxxo wrote:On June 15 2011 03:42 Karakaxe wrote:
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What picture? It's already known (ofcourse there are exceptions) that Koreans are overall abit better than foreigners due to their way of practising (team houses) and so on...
And saying MC/Bomber is auto 1 and 2 spots... They are freaking amazing players and are favourites, that's about it. I admit I would be very shocked if they didn't get 1/2 in their groups but I would not be suprised if none of them reached the finals.
It's so sad to read that so many people put Koreans on a fucking pedestal, when the margin is alot closer than they want to admit. What's more truthful is that many foreigners such as yourself are in denial about how much better Koreans are than foreigners. Who cares what race they are? Just look at the skill level. Overall, Koreans are far better. nope. they got stomped in TSL3. TSL3 was online, which ends that argument. No, it does not actually. Thanks for trying champ yes it does, get out troll. 350 ping vs 30 ping. try it. ps: TSL3: everyone: LOLOLOL 'white dudes own korea' Korea: but it was lag everyone: BUT YOU LOST! LOLOLOLOL. MLG Columbus everyone: wow.... we are way behind the koreans... 1st/2nd/3rd all koreans. koreans only lost to koreans in columbus... wow. Korea: told you it was lag. everyone: *starts thread about people getting owned at homesoil* Idra could have easily taken at least 3rd had he not given up. Thorzain also could have probably placed higher on a different day, same with Naniwa who pretty much /danced his way to a loss. If anything I'd say that Columbus's close games pretty much proved the difference between Koreans and Foreigners is pretty small. Top Koreans aren't much better than top foreigners (yet), however, Korea has a much more robust scene for sure. This is why foreign fanboys are so cute. Keep on deluding yourself, outside of the few games you mentioned, most weren't even close. Hahah Korean elitist crap, Only reason why the koreans are mass declining dreamhack is becuase they affraid to get there ass kicked by the top EU pro´s and they should be affraid considering Dimaga kicked the crap out of Nestea. I woulnt be supriced if GomTv told the koreans players not to go becuase they affriad what would happend if all the koreans lost and they lose there little number 1 sc2 tournament. Rofl, usually I don't respond to the Korea vs. foreigners arguments but this one is just idiotic. Dimaga beat Nestea in one bo3. Would you say that Dimaga is better than a 2 time GSL winner? Koreans DO have a higher overall skill level. Think about how many foreigners went to korea to compete in GSL but didn't even get into code A. Incontrol, Kiwikaki, Select, and even Huk and Jinro couldn't get into the GSL first try. Top end foreigners can definitely compete with Koreans but the mid-tier foreigners probably can't compete in GSL.
DRG, who has beaten the likes of MVP and such hasn't gotten into GSL either, gonna bank part of those on the fact that the qualifiers are very random. MMA still isn't in code S and he's got a shot to win the ST.
But, like I said, nobody will deny that Koreans have a much more robust scene, or even better top players. But the difference in skill between top players is small at best.
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On June 15 2011 08:31 Skwid1g wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 08:28 MechKing wrote:On June 15 2011 08:22 Nerdslayer wrote:On June 15 2011 08:18 ch33psh33p wrote:On June 15 2011 08:13 Skwid1g wrote:On June 15 2011 03:58 xza wrote:On June 15 2011 03:56 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:55 zeenix1 wrote:On June 15 2011 03:53 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:46 oxxo wrote:
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What's more truthful is that many foreigners such as yourself are in denial about how much better Koreans are than foreigners. Who cares what race they are? Just look at the skill level. Overall, Koreans are far better. nope. they got stomped in TSL3. TSL3 was online, which ends that argument. No, it does not actually. Thanks for trying champ yes it does, get out troll. 350 ping vs 30 ping. try it. ps: TSL3: everyone: LOLOLOL 'white dudes own korea' Korea: but it was lag everyone: BUT YOU LOST! LOLOLOLOL. MLG Columbus everyone: wow.... we are way behind the koreans... 1st/2nd/3rd all koreans. koreans only lost to koreans in columbus... wow. Korea: told you it was lag. everyone: *starts thread about people getting owned at homesoil* Idra could have easily taken at least 3rd had he not given up. Thorzain also could have probably placed higher on a different day, same with Naniwa who pretty much /danced his way to a loss. If anything I'd say that Columbus's close games pretty much proved the difference between Koreans and Foreigners is pretty small. Top Koreans aren't much better than top foreigners (yet), however, Korea has a much more robust scene for sure. This is why foreign fanboys are so cute. Keep on deluding yourself, outside of the few games you mentioned, most weren't even close. Hahah Korean elitist crap, Only reason why the koreans are mass declining dreamhack is becuase they affraid to get there ass kicked by the top EU pro´s and they should be affraid considering Dimaga kicked the crap out of Nestea. I woulnt be supriced if GomTv told the koreans players not to go becuase they affriad what would happend if all the koreans lost and they lose there little number 1 sc2 tournament. Rofl, usually I don't respond to the Korea vs. foreigners arguments but this one is just idiotic. Dimaga beat Nestea in one bo3. Would you say that Dimaga is better than a 2 time GSL winner? Koreans DO have a higher overall skill level. Think about how many foreigners went to korea to compete in GSL but didn't even get into code A. Incontrol, Kiwikaki, Select, and even Huk and Jinro couldn't get into the GSL first try. Top end foreigners can definitely compete with Koreans but the mid-tier foreigners probably can't compete in GSL. DRG, who has beaten the likes of MVP and such hasn't gotten into GSL either, gonna bank part of those on the fact that the qualifiers are very random. MMA still isn't in code S and he's got a shot to win the ST. But, like I said, nobody will deny that Koreans have a much more robust scene, or even better top players. But the difference in skill between top players is small at best.
Between the top players, it's small. Overall, it's a decent size. But at this rate, it seems like the gaps only growing wider.
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On June 15 2011 08:31 Skwid1g wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 08:28 MechKing wrote:On June 15 2011 08:22 Nerdslayer wrote:On June 15 2011 08:18 ch33psh33p wrote:On June 15 2011 08:13 Skwid1g wrote:On June 15 2011 03:58 xza wrote:On June 15 2011 03:56 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:55 zeenix1 wrote:On June 15 2011 03:53 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:46 oxxo wrote:
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What's more truthful is that many foreigners such as yourself are in denial about how much better Koreans are than foreigners. Who cares what race they are? Just look at the skill level. Overall, Koreans are far better. nope. they got stomped in TSL3. TSL3 was online, which ends that argument. No, it does not actually. Thanks for trying champ yes it does, get out troll. 350 ping vs 30 ping. try it. ps: TSL3: everyone: LOLOLOL 'white dudes own korea' Korea: but it was lag everyone: BUT YOU LOST! LOLOLOLOL. MLG Columbus everyone: wow.... we are way behind the koreans... 1st/2nd/3rd all koreans. koreans only lost to koreans in columbus... wow. Korea: told you it was lag. everyone: *starts thread about people getting owned at homesoil* Idra could have easily taken at least 3rd had he not given up. Thorzain also could have probably placed higher on a different day, same with Naniwa who pretty much /danced his way to a loss. If anything I'd say that Columbus's close games pretty much proved the difference between Koreans and Foreigners is pretty small. Top Koreans aren't much better than top foreigners (yet), however, Korea has a much more robust scene for sure. This is why foreign fanboys are so cute. Keep on deluding yourself, outside of the few games you mentioned, most weren't even close. Hahah Korean elitist crap, Only reason why the koreans are mass declining dreamhack is becuase they affraid to get there ass kicked by the top EU pro´s and they should be affraid considering Dimaga kicked the crap out of Nestea. I woulnt be supriced if GomTv told the koreans players not to go becuase they affriad what would happend if all the koreans lost and they lose there little number 1 sc2 tournament. Rofl, usually I don't respond to the Korea vs. foreigners arguments but this one is just idiotic. Dimaga beat Nestea in one bo3. Would you say that Dimaga is better than a 2 time GSL winner? Koreans DO have a higher overall skill level. Think about how many foreigners went to korea to compete in GSL but didn't even get into code A. Incontrol, Kiwikaki, Select, and even Huk and Jinro couldn't get into the GSL first try. Top end foreigners can definitely compete with Koreans but the mid-tier foreigners probably can't compete in GSL. DRG, who has beaten the likes of MVP and such hasn't gotten into GSL either, gonna bank part of those on the fact that the qualifiers are very random. MMA still isn't in code S and he's got a shot to win the ST. But, like I said, nobody will deny that Koreans have a much more robust scene, or even better top players. But the difference in skill between top players is small at best.
You mistaken MVP with MKP
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On June 15 2011 08:35 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 08:31 Skwid1g wrote:On June 15 2011 08:28 MechKing wrote:On June 15 2011 08:22 Nerdslayer wrote:On June 15 2011 08:18 ch33psh33p wrote:On June 15 2011 08:13 Skwid1g wrote:On June 15 2011 03:58 xza wrote:On June 15 2011 03:56 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:55 zeenix1 wrote:On June 15 2011 03:53 Maliris wrote:
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nope. they got stomped in TSL3. TSL3 was online, which ends that argument. No, it does not actually. Thanks for trying champ yes it does, get out troll. 350 ping vs 30 ping. try it. ps: TSL3: everyone: LOLOLOL 'white dudes own korea' Korea: but it was lag everyone: BUT YOU LOST! LOLOLOLOL. MLG Columbus everyone: wow.... we are way behind the koreans... 1st/2nd/3rd all koreans. koreans only lost to koreans in columbus... wow. Korea: told you it was lag. everyone: *starts thread about people getting owned at homesoil* Idra could have easily taken at least 3rd had he not given up. Thorzain also could have probably placed higher on a different day, same with Naniwa who pretty much /danced his way to a loss. If anything I'd say that Columbus's close games pretty much proved the difference between Koreans and Foreigners is pretty small. Top Koreans aren't much better than top foreigners (yet), however, Korea has a much more robust scene for sure. This is why foreign fanboys are so cute. Keep on deluding yourself, outside of the few games you mentioned, most weren't even close. Hahah Korean elitist crap, Only reason why the koreans are mass declining dreamhack is becuase they affraid to get there ass kicked by the top EU pro´s and they should be affraid considering Dimaga kicked the crap out of Nestea. I woulnt be supriced if GomTv told the koreans players not to go becuase they affriad what would happend if all the koreans lost and they lose there little number 1 sc2 tournament. Rofl, usually I don't respond to the Korea vs. foreigners arguments but this one is just idiotic. Dimaga beat Nestea in one bo3. Would you say that Dimaga is better than a 2 time GSL winner? Koreans DO have a higher overall skill level. Think about how many foreigners went to korea to compete in GSL but didn't even get into code A. Incontrol, Kiwikaki, Select, and even Huk and Jinro couldn't get into the GSL first try. Top end foreigners can definitely compete with Koreans but the mid-tier foreigners probably can't compete in GSL. DRG, who has beaten the likes of MVP and such hasn't gotten into GSL either, gonna bank part of those on the fact that the qualifiers are very random. MMA still isn't in code S and he's got a shot to win the ST. But, like I said, nobody will deny that Koreans have a much more robust scene, or even better top players. But the difference in skill between top players is small at best. You mistaken MVP with MKP
I meant MC actually, don't know why I typed MVP. But yeah, he's beaten a lot of top players in the team league but hasn't even made Code A.
On June 15 2011 08:33 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 08:31 Skwid1g wrote:On June 15 2011 08:28 MechKing wrote:On June 15 2011 08:22 Nerdslayer wrote:On June 15 2011 08:18 ch33psh33p wrote:On June 15 2011 08:13 Skwid1g wrote:On June 15 2011 03:58 xza wrote:On June 15 2011 03:56 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:55 zeenix1 wrote:On June 15 2011 03:53 Maliris wrote:
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nope. they got stomped in TSL3. TSL3 was online, which ends that argument. No, it does not actually. Thanks for trying champ yes it does, get out troll. 350 ping vs 30 ping. try it. ps: TSL3: everyone: LOLOLOL 'white dudes own korea' Korea: but it was lag everyone: BUT YOU LOST! LOLOLOLOL. MLG Columbus everyone: wow.... we are way behind the koreans... 1st/2nd/3rd all koreans. koreans only lost to koreans in columbus... wow. Korea: told you it was lag. everyone: *starts thread about people getting owned at homesoil* Idra could have easily taken at least 3rd had he not given up. Thorzain also could have probably placed higher on a different day, same with Naniwa who pretty much /danced his way to a loss. If anything I'd say that Columbus's close games pretty much proved the difference between Koreans and Foreigners is pretty small. Top Koreans aren't much better than top foreigners (yet), however, Korea has a much more robust scene for sure. This is why foreign fanboys are so cute. Keep on deluding yourself, outside of the few games you mentioned, most weren't even close. Hahah Korean elitist crap, Only reason why the koreans are mass declining dreamhack is becuase they affraid to get there ass kicked by the top EU pro´s and they should be affraid considering Dimaga kicked the crap out of Nestea. I woulnt be supriced if GomTv told the koreans players not to go becuase they affriad what would happend if all the koreans lost and they lose there little number 1 sc2 tournament. Rofl, usually I don't respond to the Korea vs. foreigners arguments but this one is just idiotic. Dimaga beat Nestea in one bo3. Would you say that Dimaga is better than a 2 time GSL winner? Koreans DO have a higher overall skill level. Think about how many foreigners went to korea to compete in GSL but didn't even get into code A. Incontrol, Kiwikaki, Select, and even Huk and Jinro couldn't get into the GSL first try. Top end foreigners can definitely compete with Koreans but the mid-tier foreigners probably can't compete in GSL. DRG, who has beaten the likes of MVP and such hasn't gotten into GSL either, gonna bank part of those on the fact that the qualifiers are very random. MMA still isn't in code S and he's got a shot to win the ST. But, like I said, nobody will deny that Koreans have a much more robust scene, or even better top players. But the difference in skill between top players is small at best. Between the top players, it's small. Overall, it's a decent size. But at this rate, it seems like the gaps only growing wider.
Of course, the Koreans practice much harder and more efficiently than foreigners. It's a lot easier to get good practice when you have 200 good players than when you have 20 good players. Team houses and such just add onto it, but the gap still isn't huge yet.
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On June 15 2011 08:23 Skwid1g wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 08:18 ch33psh33p wrote:On June 15 2011 08:13 Skwid1g wrote:On June 15 2011 03:58 xza wrote:On June 15 2011 03:56 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:55 zeenix1 wrote:On June 15 2011 03:53 Maliris wrote:On June 15 2011 03:46 oxxo wrote:On June 15 2011 03:42 Karakaxe wrote:On June 15 2011 03:19 antelope591 wrote:
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Maybe not 10x but the post he was replying to was a lot more idiotic. How many more foreign events do koreans have to sweep before people get the picture? Too bad MKP isn't attending he finally could've won an event -_-. MC/Bomber will still take 1/2 tho unless they meet earlier on. The rest is up for grabs imo What picture? It's already known (ofcourse there are exceptions) that Koreans are overall abit better than foreigners due to their way of practising (team houses) and so on... And saying MC/Bomber is auto 1 and 2 spots... They are freaking amazing players and are favourites, that's about it. I admit I would be very shocked if they didn't get 1/2 in their groups but I would not be suprised if none of them reached the finals. It's so sad to read that so many people put Koreans on a fucking pedestal, when the margin is alot closer than they want to admit. What's more truthful is that many foreigners such as yourself are in denial about how much better Koreans are than foreigners. Who cares what race they are? Just look at the skill level. Overall, Koreans are far better. nope. they got stomped in TSL3. TSL3 was online, which ends that argument. No, it does not actually. Thanks for trying champ yes it does, get out troll. 350 ping vs 30 ping. try it. ps: TSL3: everyone: LOLOLOL 'white dudes own korea' Korea: but it was lag everyone: BUT YOU LOST! LOLOLOLOL. MLG Columbus everyone: wow.... we are way behind the koreans... 1st/2nd/3rd all koreans. koreans only lost to koreans in columbus... wow. Korea: told you it was lag. everyone: *starts thread about people getting owned at homesoil* Idra could have easily taken at least 3rd had he not given up. Thorzain also could have probably placed higher on a different day, same with Naniwa who pretty much /danced his way to a loss. If anything I'd say that Columbus's close games pretty much proved the difference between Koreans and Foreigners is pretty small. Top Koreans aren't much better than top foreigners (yet), however, Korea has a much more robust scene for sure. This is why foreign fanboys are so cute. Keep on deluding yourself, outside of the few games you mentioned, most weren't even close. The few games I mentioned? What? People like you honestly baffle me, Idra could win a GSL and you would cry about how Koreans are still so much better with no real evidence. Most of the games Idra lost during that tournament (to Koreans) were games he was winning, but just decided to leave because he is Idra. He was ahead vs. MMA and completely stomped MC. Naniwa lost because he /danced and then because of a BO loss, not because he got outplayed. Losira almost lost to iNcontrol, who I wouldn't label as the strongest foreigner (no offense to him) at MLG. Jinro and Idra both performed well in the GSL, even though Idra was a lot worse back then. World Championship had the foreigners lose by only 1 game against a team with Nestea, MC, MvP, etc. on it, and the foreign team was quite weak in all honesty. You'll just constantly make excuses for the Koreans so this is sort of a waste of time, but your logic isn't sound in any way. You're taking 1 event where Koreans BARELY managed to take 1/2/3 and then say "KOREANS ARE SO MUCH BETTER LOLOL." With that being said, the difference between foreigners and Koreans won't remain small for long, as I can almost guarantee that the top Koreans are practicing much harder than top foreigners.
Koreans have taken 1/2/3 at soooo many events with Koreans and foreigners.
MLG, GSL World Championship, all those FXO tournaments. MC even took Starswar which was stacked with top foreigner, Korean and Chinese players.
Whoever denies that Koreans are well ahead of foreigners in SC2 is greatly deluded.
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