NaDa, MKP out of DH Summer 2011 - Page 15

mki

Poland882 Posts

June 14 2011 21:27 GMT

#281

On June 15 2011 06:24 Antoine wrote:
it would be a bummer if fd indeed isn't going but right now i'm going to wait for more information before getting too upset, right now it's like 3rd-hand information

MYM was contacted in regards to if we wanted to send XlorD in place of FruitDealer. How is that third hand?

TemplarCo.

Mexico2870 Posts

June 14 2011 21:27 GMT

#282

NOOOO Why no White-Ra vs NaDa?!?!?!? THIS SUCKS!! NOOOOOOO and also MKP WHYYY!!!

namedplayer

844 Posts

June 14 2011 21:35 GMT

#283

On June 15 2011 06:24 Antoine wrote:

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On June 15 2011 06:10 namedplayer wrote:

On June 15 2011 05:44 ChickenLips wrote:

On June 15 2011 05:39 namedplayer wrote:

On June 15 2011 05:36 ChickenLips wrote:

On June 15 2011 05:34 namedplayer wrote:

On June 15 2011 05:26 mcc wrote:

On June 15 2011 05:23 namedplayer wrote:

On June 15 2011 05:14 mcc wrote:

On June 15 2011 04:47 Blasphemi wrote:
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Blizzcon - Won by Genius (Korea)
Dreamhack Winter - Won by Naama (Europe) - very few Koreans in attendence though.
IEM - Won by Ace (Korea), 3 Koreans entered, took top three.
GSL World Championships - Won by MVP (Korea) - the best of the best Koreans versus some very good foreigners. Only Dimaga takes a game off a Korean when money is involved and is soundly beaten by San straight after.
Dreamhack Invitational - Won by MC (Korea) - One Koreans, seven foreigners and Korean takes it.
Copenhagen Games - Won by MC (Korea) - Two Koreans, a few good Europeans and a lot of medicore Europeans.
MLG Columbus - Won by MMA (Korea) - Korean top three and only Koreans knocked out Koreans. Almost every good foreigner in attendence alongside four good Koreans and a mediocre one.
Stars War - Won by MC (Korea) - Online for a lot of it, MC vs 3 top Chinese top in LAN, MC wins.

Literally the only LAN won by a foreigner when a Korean is there was Dreamhack Winter, and the foreigners were Inca and TOP not exactly MC, Nestea level.

And yet some people don't think there's a skill difference?

Ill start by saying that Koreans are better, I just do not think that the difference is like terribly high. I think they are mostly more consistent, foreigners just show some great games a then some terrible ones(for that level of play) and in the tournament that plays a big role.

Now for your argument. In Copenhagen games, recently-code-S player TheWind gets beaten quite early. Hmm, might that mean that code S is (now it is much better, but I think the observation still holds) not so far from the foreigner level and has rather big difference between the best and worst players ? Whatever people say MC vs Thorzain was played without latency and yet he lost Bo7 (I think, maybe Bo5).
Also TOP is not exactly a bad player, top4 in GSL ST and playing pretty well in every GSL.

So yep, top Koreans are better, but code S is definitely not some untouchable group of players that no foreigner can touch. It is not like there are no foreigners in code S and HuK definitely did not yet show that he can be considered one the very top foreigners.

It's not like foreigners can touch. more like SC2 is still volatile.

as I said, MMA and MKP got 0-2ed by no name Koreans yesterday. (Sage beat MMA, JYP beat MKP)

btw, is there any no-name EU players who can 2-0 MKP,MMA in EU?

What is no-name ?

someone who... has no achievement?

you prolly never heard of JYP,Sage before right? even no name can beat MKP,MMA.

That's a pretty dumb statement, someone not being known doesn't mean anything. Many people didn't know DRG before he came crashing into GSTL. Same with MMA, many people don't know Nerchio and he's been dominating everyone in EU, 3-0ing people like Thorzain who also noone knew before his TSL cinderella story.

so.. Nericho had no achievement before he beat Thorzain?

cool counter-argument bro, post again when you have one.

Thorzain to NA players and KR players (many of (MC, MMA, Spunky) considering him to be on KR level) was infinitely more known than Nerchio.

someone who isn't known taking someone out who is doesn't mean jackshit

so you think Nericho is noname player right?

but, It doesn't seem like that according to TLPD

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1771_Nerchio

now look at Sage's

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/1973_Sage

JYP, who beat MKP, is not even in TLPD lol

I wonder how Mcc heard of Sage before...

JYP

it would be a bummer if fd indeed isn't going but right now i'm going to wait for more information before getting too upset, right now it's like 3rd-hand information

uh, I missed it. not a great career but still, at least he has record....

anyway, I thought DH provided plane tickets for players but if not, It is understandable that Koreans are not coming.

babylon

8765 Posts

June 14 2011 21:38 GMT

#284

On June 15 2011 06:27 mki wrote:

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MYM was contacted in regards to if we wanted to send XlorD in place of FruitDealer. How is that third hand?

I guess the skepticism is mostly because we haven't gotten first-hand confirmation from FD himself yet. I wonder if the PlayXP forums have anything to say about this. If only I could read Korean.

PresenceSc2

Australia4032 Posts

June 14 2011 21:48 GMT

#285

No MKP make me sad panda

ShootingStars

1475 Posts

June 14 2011 21:52 GMT

#286

On June 15 2011 06:48 Za7oX wrote:
No MKP make me sad panda

I KNOW T_T

Azuroz

Sweden1630 Posts

June 14 2011 21:53 GMT

#287

On June 15 2011 06:35 namedplayer wrote:
anyway, I thought DH provided plane tickets for players but if not, It is understandable that Koreans are not coming.

paying for 46 plane tickets would not be reasonable^^, they should be happy they can compete for 3x as much money as mlg :>

ThePhan2m

Norway2750 Posts

June 14 2011 21:53 GMT

#288

Many of them aren't going probably because they admit that they don't have a chance winning over the likes of MC or lose randomly to some other foreigners. The trip isn't worth it compared to the winning chance.

QTIP.

United States2113 Posts

June 14 2011 21:54 GMT

#289

gahhh FD come on man

Sanguinarius

United States3427 Posts

June 14 2011 21:56 GMT

#290

Wait, what? No, not cool ;-(

Azuroz

Sweden1630 Posts

June 14 2011 21:56 GMT

#291

wrong.

Cloud9157

United States2968 Posts

June 14 2011 21:58 GMT

#292

Is there no Nestea at all?

Antoine

United States7481 Posts

June 14 2011 22:04 GMT

#293

On June 15 2011 06:27 mki wrote:

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MYM was contacted in regards to if we wanted to send XlorD in place of FruitDealer. How is that third hand?

you (3rd hand) heard from mym management (2nd hand) that they were contacted by dreamhack (1st hand) to replace fruitdealer (also first hand)

i'm not saying you're wrong, but i'm just waiting to hear something from dh or fd himself

Maenander

Germany4926 Posts

June 14 2011 22:13 GMT

#294

On June 15 2011 05:21 Blasphemi wrote:

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On June 15 2011 05:14 mcc wrote:

On June 15 2011 04:47 Blasphemi wrote:

On June 15 2011 04:37 Maliris wrote:
Korean fanboys are adorable ^_^ koreans always say in interviews theres no difference between a korean and a foreigner, are you gonna tell them they are clueless too

? Keep trying

Blizzcon - Won by Genius (Korea)
Dreamhack Winter - Won by Naama (Europe) - very few Koreans in attendence though.
IEM - Won by Ace (Korea), 3 Koreans entered, took top three.
GSL World Championships - Won by MVP (Korea) - the best of the best Koreans versus some very good foreigners. Only Dimaga takes a game off a Korean when money is involved and is soundly beaten by San straight after.
Dreamhack Invitational - Won by MC (Korea) - One Koreans, seven foreigners and Korean takes it.
Copenhagen Games - Won by MC (Korea) - Two Koreans, a few good Europeans and a lot of medicore Europeans.
MLG Columbus - Won by MMA (Korea) - Korean top three and only Koreans knocked out Koreans. Almost every good foreigner in attendence alongside four good Koreans and a mediocre one.
Stars War - Won by MC (Korea) - Online for a lot of it, MC vs 3 top Chinese top in LAN, MC wins.

Literally the only LAN won by a foreigner when a Korean is there was Dreamhack Winter, and the foreigners were Inca and TOP not exactly MC, Nestea level.

And yet some people don't think there's a skill difference?

Back then TOP definitely wasn't at that level. The Thorzain/MC game was a best of 5. Another thing rather mentioned is that the winning game for Thorzain involved a strategy so overpowered Blizzard nerfed it very soon after, it's pretty rare for Blizzard to do that so fast.

Blizzard stated that they didn't necessarily think the strategy is overpowered but that they didn't like the usage of mass Thors, get your facts straight. And it's not like everyone used that strategy back then.

xuanzue

Colombia1747 Posts

June 14 2011 22:36 GMT

#295

so many invites = huge fail

the tournaments based on qualifiers are a lot better that tournaments based on invites.

Nerdslayer

Denmark1130 Posts

June 14 2011 22:43 GMT

#296

This is an easy fix, Nada, Fruitdealer, MKP and others who cancel in such a short notise after signing up months in advance shoulnt get accepted next time there is a Dreamhack.

Striding Strider

United Kingdom787 Posts

June 14 2011 22:45 GMT

#297

MKP

deadjawa

United States179 Posts

June 14 2011 22:45 GMT

#298

I think there can be such thing as too many Korean invites (and vise versa) at this point in the life of SC2. Players can only take (and pay for) so many trips in a year, might as well try to spread them out over multiple tournaments.

Bombmk

Denmark95 Posts

June 14 2011 22:50 GMT

#299

On June 15 2011 06:35 namedplayer wrote:
anyway, I thought DH provided plane tickets for players but if not, It is understandable that Koreans are not coming.

But why apply then to begin with, if thats the issue?
Which it isn't ofc.

How about we let them tell us why, instead of coming up with cute but completely made up and easily debunked defenses like this?

Euronyme

Sweden3804 Posts

June 14 2011 22:52 GMT

#300

On June 15 2011 07:36 xuanzue wrote:
so many invites = huge fail

the tournaments based on qualifiers are a lot better that tournaments based on invites.

There are qualifiers too. One spot in every group is from open qualifier.

DH has a price pool that qute good, and it's the largest LAN in the world. The main focus of this event is the experience for the LAN visitors (they're the ones who're paying btw. The HD stream is free). I assume they don't want a crowd favourite to fall out to some ridiculous cheese in some open bracket.

It's basically the MLG of Europe with a huge audience and a working stream. Five of them actually.

On June 15 2011 07:43 Nerdslayer wrote:
This is an easy fix, Nada, Fruitdealer, MKP and others who cancel in such a short notise after signing up months in advance shoulnt get accepted next time there is a Dreamhack.

I completely agree.
They've known about this specifics about this for ages most likely.
I mean how could NaDa not know when his exams were?
It's just poor planning from the players and their teams. It ruins tournaments that people just don't show up.
Same thing is fairly frequent in 'the nasle league' as Strelok calls it ♥

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