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On June 12 2011 22:51 cybiz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 22:29 baldgye wrote:
My only criticism could be that they(taistosis) are too Korean focused (hardly there fault) and that he is too damn sexy. Uhhh... You realize they're casting (mostly) Korean games, right? Right?
lol yeah... but I'd still love them to appear (via the interwebs) at things that are pre-recorded like NASL etc..
but yeah I really have no real cutting criticism becasue I think he's one of the best casters, and with Artosis the best casters in pretty much all of e-sports.
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On June 12 2011 22:23 vyyye wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ, another random internet hero giving "constructive criticism" with a sad attempt at sounding like he knows fuck all.
Yeah, agree OP. For the growth of e-sports let's remove everything that makes it worth anything. Tasteless? Pah, why would we want to have a commentator who has been loved for years? He's not professional enough?
I swear, if e-sports ever becomes what this stupidly vocal minority wants it to be I'll start muting streams, watching with music on and sure as fuck won't be giving any money to it. If you want your grand parents to cast games just ask them, I sure as hell don't want them.
I know you've posted 5 times as much as I have while being here for only about a month longer but might I ask one simple question even if it assaults your superior post count?
Who are you?
The last 10ish posts you've made insult whatever topic you're posting in.
The majority opinion in this thread is that Tasteless should not change but at least the majority didn't make a personal attack on the OP.
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i think the people complaining here is what tasteless would describe as neeeeeeeerds :p
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On June 12 2011 23:14 B.I.G. wrote:
i think the people complaining here is what tasteless would describe as neeeeeeeerds :p
I think you just solved the match up.
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On June 12 2011 18:58 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 17:48 Axiom0 wrote:
Does anyone know the full sex joke Tasteless made and the context he made it in? Just curious because I can't imagine him fitting a joke about sex into a SC2 cast without it being slightly odd/inappropriate. They were doing their usual tastosis banter in the early stages of a game, and the topic of cramps came up, and tasteless said something like "You ever get a foot cramp during sex? That's like the flat tire of sex". I am so astonished that anyone would actually be offended by this. Unbelievable.
Okay, so the joke wasnt tasteless?
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On June 12 2011 23:13 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 22:23 vyyye wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ, another random internet hero giving "constructive criticism" with a sad attempt at sounding like he knows fuck all.
Yeah, agree OP. For the growth of e-sports let's remove everything that makes it worth anything. Tasteless? Pah, why would we want to have a commentator who has been loved for years? He's not professional enough?
I swear, if e-sports ever becomes what this stupidly vocal minority wants it to be I'll start muting streams, watching with music on and sure as fuck won't be giving any money to it. If you want your grand parents to cast games just ask them, I sure as hell don't want them. I know you've posted 5 times as much as I have while being here for only about a month longer but might I ask one simple question even if it assaults your superior post count? Who are you?The last 10ish posts you've made insult whatever topic you're posting in. The majority opinion in this thread is that Tasteless should not change but at least the majority didn't make a personal attack on the OP.
Whoever he is, I salute the guy. He's saying what needs to be said and saying it how it needs to be said.
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GSL/MLG didn't have enough sex on the live stream. Fix please. Also, I miss outragious coloured hair. Bright lime green was pimpin. Also, somebody make a map with the Panda Bear guy in it please.
I swear to god, mentioning "unproffesional" or "hurts esports" or anything similar should come with at least a warning, if not a temp ban on TL. I mean, before you start this "critique" maybe just like take a step back and ask yourself "who the fuck are you", cos really, how on earth did you imagine this thread to be received.
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Disragree with everything but I never heard the word "sex" from tasteless...
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Tasteless is my second favourite caster never change please T.T
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On June 12 2011 16:28 pc_room_freak wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 16:08 Baarn wrote:On June 12 2011 15:46 Melange wrote:On June 12 2011 15:42 Mordiford wrote:On June 12 2011 15:38 Melange wrote:On June 12 2011 15:34 emecee wrote:On June 12 2011 15:29 Melange wrote:On June 12 2011 15:13 wester25 wrote:
btw if youre offended by the word sex..... you probably shouldnt be awake watching gsl at the time its on anyway. That's exactly the point. If we want e-sports to grow it needs to be accessible and appropriate for EVERYONE. Why exclude someone because they're too young to be comfortable without publicly talking about sex? They damn well might be old enough to enjoy Starcraft, and that's what matters. That being said, Tastosis is pretty awesome, and they're a great duo to watch/listen to games with, but I agree with the OP saying that Tasteless shouldn't be interrupting Artosis so much during pivotal points. When Artosis is trying to explain a technical aspect of the game, Tasteless should wait till he's done before butting in with a random comment. I understand that this is part of how they work, Tasteless with his energy/jokes and Artosis with his analytical commentary. Just because they've been doing this for years doesn't mean that there aren't things to improve upon. I'm sure people will like Tastosis just fine if Tasteless holds out a bit and lets Artosis finish before joining in. what if theres a japanese person whos offended by the use of the word "nuke"? what if theres someone whos offended by the word "snipe"? Nice use of Destiny's retorts against this. We aren't talking about Destiny, we're talking about Tasteless. Destiny doesn't give a fuck about what the public thinks of him OR of e-sports in general, he's just doing his thing and making a living off of it. Tasteless is completely different, he actually cares about spreading e-sports and expanding it as far as possible. These criticisms are meant to nitpick everything he does, they're meant to help him do what HE wants to do. That's why they're called "constructive". You can troll all you want, but I'm sure Tasteless wants to be able to globalize Starcraft as much as possible. Yeah, but I don't think he wants to neuter or censor the content being delivered to the target audience when it's age appropriate to the content of the game and content being portrayed on screen. Refer to my earlier post on the matter. It's essentially like removing the language from Gears of War and handing it to your son and saying, "It's okay for you to play now, don't mind the blood, gore and violence". It comes down to the standards parents set for their children, if they have specificity in their restrictions regardless of age appropriation, that's a non-issue to me and I don't think it's something that should be considered with the "growth of eSports" argument. The target audience is age restrictive regardless and the content of the cast is age appropriate. Without highlighting any clear gains, it's really weird for me to accept someone saying, "This would grow the scene and be worth the cuts made". I'd essentially be losing a laugh at a joke for a number that we have absolutely no idea about, it could be minuscule and even so, it's an audience I don't care about because it's an audience of parents who are fine with exposing their children to violence and gore but have an aversion to the word "sex". I would agree if SC2 had any sexual implications in it. But there's not a hint of it in there, so that's why I don't see talking about sex as appropriate. I agree that SC2 itself is age-restrictive because of the violence, but I feel like that's in a different category. You could be right though, I really don't know how this affects children in the age group we're talking about. One joke offended you this much when there are pg 13 movies parents take their 7 years olds to see that have way more sex jokes than a tastosis cast. Are you serious? ITS NOT about kids needing protection or w/e bull****, they find their ways to do things they're not allowed to do. But the" fact" that a commentator IS mentioning sex in a show, which OBVIOUSLY has viewers underage is the problem here.
What the fuck is up with USA and that countrys fear of sex? How is mentioning sex to a young child going to effect that child negatively at all? It doesn't make any fucking sense.
Anyone who thinks that the word "sex" is inappropriate can fuck off in my opinion. When has a child EVER become mentally scarred by hearing someone talk about it?
Also, the game has a fucking teen rating anyway.
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Only thing I would like to see changed is the "Tastosis curse" they put on every good player that makes them lose GSL's ;<
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Does OP realize that we are talking about a 'military science fiction real-time strategy video game'? Starcraft is a game about war and killing and destruction. There is blood and gore aplenty. You cannot seriously argue that tasteless using the word 'sex' (come on, how stuck up can you be) is detrimental to the game's image in that perspective.
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On June 12 2011 23:23 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 16:28 pc_room_freak wrote:On June 12 2011 16:08 Baarn wrote:On June 12 2011 15:46 Melange wrote:On June 12 2011 15:42 Mordiford wrote:On June 12 2011 15:38 Melange wrote:On June 12 2011 15:34 emecee wrote:On June 12 2011 15:29 Melange wrote:On June 12 2011 15:13 wester25 wrote:
btw if youre offended by the word sex..... you probably shouldnt be awake watching gsl at the time its on anyway. That's exactly the point. If we want e-sports to grow it needs to be accessible and appropriate for EVERYONE. Why exclude someone because they're too young to be comfortable without publicly talking about sex? They damn well might be old enough to enjoy Starcraft, and that's what matters. That being said, Tastosis is pretty awesome, and they're a great duo to watch/listen to games with, but I agree with the OP saying that Tasteless shouldn't be interrupting Artosis so much during pivotal points. When Artosis is trying to explain a technical aspect of the game, Tasteless should wait till he's done before butting in with a random comment. I understand that this is part of how they work, Tasteless with his energy/jokes and Artosis with his analytical commentary. Just because they've been doing this for years doesn't mean that there aren't things to improve upon. I'm sure people will like Tastosis just fine if Tasteless holds out a bit and lets Artosis finish before joining in. what if theres a japanese person whos offended by the use of the word "nuke"? what if theres someone whos offended by the word "snipe"? Nice use of Destiny's retorts against this. We aren't talking about Destiny, we're talking about Tasteless. Destiny doesn't give a fuck about what the public thinks of him OR of e-sports in general, he's just doing his thing and making a living off of it. Tasteless is completely different, he actually cares about spreading e-sports and expanding it as far as possible. These criticisms are meant to nitpick everything he does, they're meant to help him do what HE wants to do. That's why they're called "constructive". You can troll all you want, but I'm sure Tasteless wants to be able to globalize Starcraft as much as possible. Yeah, but I don't think he wants to neuter or censor the content being delivered to the target audience when it's age appropriate to the content of the game and content being portrayed on screen. Refer to my earlier post on the matter. It's essentially like removing the language from Gears of War and handing it to your son and saying, "It's okay for you to play now, don't mind the blood, gore and violence". It comes down to the standards parents set for their children, if they have specificity in their restrictions regardless of age appropriation, that's a non-issue to me and I don't think it's something that should be considered with the "growth of eSports" argument. The target audience is age restrictive regardless and the content of the cast is age appropriate. Without highlighting any clear gains, it's really weird for me to accept someone saying, "This would grow the scene and be worth the cuts made". I'd essentially be losing a laugh at a joke for a number that we have absolutely no idea about, it could be minuscule and even so, it's an audience I don't care about because it's an audience of parents who are fine with exposing their children to violence and gore but have an aversion to the word "sex". I would agree if SC2 had any sexual implications in it. But there's not a hint of it in there, so that's why I don't see talking about sex as appropriate. I agree that SC2 itself is age-restrictive because of the violence, but I feel like that's in a different category. You could be right though, I really don't know how this affects children in the age group we're talking about. One joke offended you this much when there are pg 13 movies parents take their 7 years olds to see that have way more sex jokes than a tastosis cast. Are you serious? ITS NOT about kids needing protection or w/e bull****, they find their ways to do things they're not allowed to do. But the" fact" that a commentator IS mentioning sex in a show, which OBVIOUSLY has viewers underage is the problem here. What the fuck is up with USA and that countrys fear of sex? How is mentioning sex to a young child going to effect that child negatively at all? It doesn't make any fucking sense. Anyone who thinks that the word "sex" is inappropriate can fuck off in my opinion. When has a child EVER become mentally scarred by hearing someone talk about it? Also, the game has a fucking teen rating anyway.
Theres a real point. One country has a pretty stingy view of sex so an internationally watched tournament ... my brain just shat.
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On June 12 2011 23:23 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 16:28 pc_room_freak wrote:On June 12 2011 16:08 Baarn wrote:On June 12 2011 15:46 Melange wrote:On June 12 2011 15:42 Mordiford wrote:On June 12 2011 15:38 Melange wrote:On June 12 2011 15:34 emecee wrote:On June 12 2011 15:29 Melange wrote:On June 12 2011 15:13 wester25 wrote:
btw if youre offended by the word sex..... you probably shouldnt be awake watching gsl at the time its on anyway. That's exactly the point. If we want e-sports to grow it needs to be accessible and appropriate for EVERYONE. Why exclude someone because they're too young to be comfortable without publicly talking about sex? They damn well might be old enough to enjoy Starcraft, and that's what matters. That being said, Tastosis is pretty awesome, and they're a great duo to watch/listen to games with, but I agree with the OP saying that Tasteless shouldn't be interrupting Artosis so much during pivotal points. When Artosis is trying to explain a technical aspect of the game, Tasteless should wait till he's done before butting in with a random comment. I understand that this is part of how they work, Tasteless with his energy/jokes and Artosis with his analytical commentary. Just because they've been doing this for years doesn't mean that there aren't things to improve upon. I'm sure people will like Tastosis just fine if Tasteless holds out a bit and lets Artosis finish before joining in. what if theres a japanese person whos offended by the use of the word "nuke"? what if theres someone whos offended by the word "snipe"? Nice use of Destiny's retorts against this. We aren't talking about Destiny, we're talking about Tasteless. Destiny doesn't give a fuck about what the public thinks of him OR of e-sports in general, he's just doing his thing and making a living off of it. Tasteless is completely different, he actually cares about spreading e-sports and expanding it as far as possible. These criticisms are meant to nitpick everything he does, they're meant to help him do what HE wants to do. That's why they're called "constructive". You can troll all you want, but I'm sure Tasteless wants to be able to globalize Starcraft as much as possible. Yeah, but I don't think he wants to neuter or censor the content being delivered to the target audience when it's age appropriate to the content of the game and content being portrayed on screen. Refer to my earlier post on the matter. It's essentially like removing the language from Gears of War and handing it to your son and saying, "It's okay for you to play now, don't mind the blood, gore and violence". It comes down to the standards parents set for their children, if they have specificity in their restrictions regardless of age appropriation, that's a non-issue to me and I don't think it's something that should be considered with the "growth of eSports" argument. The target audience is age restrictive regardless and the content of the cast is age appropriate. Without highlighting any clear gains, it's really weird for me to accept someone saying, "This would grow the scene and be worth the cuts made". I'd essentially be losing a laugh at a joke for a number that we have absolutely no idea about, it could be minuscule and even so, it's an audience I don't care about because it's an audience of parents who are fine with exposing their children to violence and gore but have an aversion to the word "sex". I would agree if SC2 had any sexual implications in it. But there's not a hint of it in there, so that's why I don't see talking about sex as appropriate. I agree that SC2 itself is age-restrictive because of the violence, but I feel like that's in a different category. You could be right though, I really don't know how this affects children in the age group we're talking about. One joke offended you this much when there are pg 13 movies parents take their 7 years olds to see that have way more sex jokes than a tastosis cast. Are you serious? ITS NOT about kids needing protection or w/e bull****, they find their ways to do things they're not allowed to do. But the" fact" that a commentator IS mentioning sex in a show, which OBVIOUSLY has viewers underage is the problem here. What the fuck is up with USA and that countrys fear of sex? How is mentioning sex to a young child going to effect that child negatively at all? It doesn't make any fucking sense. Anyone who thinks that the word "sex" is inappropriate can fuck off in my opinion. When has a child EVER become mentally scarred by hearing someone talk about it? Also, the game has a fucking teen rating anyway.
Its not like he was talking about analing some chick or something, he just made a joke.
He made the joke about being on the ladder, about ripping a nerds head off or something, I expected people to go apeshit at that, but no, then he says the word sex and people are offended?
If I was a mod I would warn anyone who was making stupid comments about "professionalism" but then again thats why I wouldn't be a good mod :p
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On June 12 2011 23:23 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 16:28 pc_room_freak wrote:On June 12 2011 16:08 Baarn wrote:On June 12 2011 15:46 Melange wrote:On June 12 2011 15:42 Mordiford wrote:On June 12 2011 15:38 Melange wrote:On June 12 2011 15:34 emecee wrote:On June 12 2011 15:29 Melange wrote:On June 12 2011 15:13 wester25 wrote:
btw if youre offended by the word sex..... you probably shouldnt be awake watching gsl at the time its on anyway. That's exactly the point. If we want e-sports to grow it needs to be accessible and appropriate for EVERYONE. Why exclude someone because they're too young to be comfortable without publicly talking about sex? They damn well might be old enough to enjoy Starcraft, and that's what matters. That being said, Tastosis is pretty awesome, and they're a great duo to watch/listen to games with, but I agree with the OP saying that Tasteless shouldn't be interrupting Artosis so much during pivotal points. When Artosis is trying to explain a technical aspect of the game, Tasteless should wait till he's done before butting in with a random comment. I understand that this is part of how they work, Tasteless with his energy/jokes and Artosis with his analytical commentary. Just because they've been doing this for years doesn't mean that there aren't things to improve upon. I'm sure people will like Tastosis just fine if Tasteless holds out a bit and lets Artosis finish before joining in. what if theres a japanese person whos offended by the use of the word "nuke"? what if theres someone whos offended by the word "snipe"? Nice use of Destiny's retorts against this. We aren't talking about Destiny, we're talking about Tasteless. Destiny doesn't give a fuck about what the public thinks of him OR of e-sports in general, he's just doing his thing and making a living off of it. Tasteless is completely different, he actually cares about spreading e-sports and expanding it as far as possible. These criticisms are meant to nitpick everything he does, they're meant to help him do what HE wants to do. That's why they're called "constructive". You can troll all you want, but I'm sure Tasteless wants to be able to globalize Starcraft as much as possible. Yeah, but I don't think he wants to neuter or censor the content being delivered to the target audience when it's age appropriate to the content of the game and content being portrayed on screen. Refer to my earlier post on the matter. It's essentially like removing the language from Gears of War and handing it to your son and saying, "It's okay for you to play now, don't mind the blood, gore and violence". It comes down to the standards parents set for their children, if they have specificity in their restrictions regardless of age appropriation, that's a non-issue to me and I don't think it's something that should be considered with the "growth of eSports" argument. The target audience is age restrictive regardless and the content of the cast is age appropriate. Without highlighting any clear gains, it's really weird for me to accept someone saying, "This would grow the scene and be worth the cuts made". I'd essentially be losing a laugh at a joke for a number that we have absolutely no idea about, it could be minuscule and even so, it's an audience I don't care about because it's an audience of parents who are fine with exposing their children to violence and gore but have an aversion to the word "sex". I would agree if SC2 had any sexual implications in it. But there's not a hint of it in there, so that's why I don't see talking about sex as appropriate. I agree that SC2 itself is age-restrictive because of the violence, but I feel like that's in a different category. You could be right though, I really don't know how this affects children in the age group we're talking about. One joke offended you this much when there are pg 13 movies parents take their 7 years olds to see that have way more sex jokes than a tastosis cast. Are you serious? ITS NOT about kids needing protection or w/e bull****, they find their ways to do things they're not allowed to do. But the" fact" that a commentator IS mentioning sex in a show, which OBVIOUSLY has viewers underage is the problem here. What the fuck is up with USA and that countrys fear of sex? How is mentioning sex to a young child going to effect that child negatively at all? It doesn't make any fucking sense. Anyone who thinks that the word "sex" is inappropriate can fuck off in my opinion. When has a child EVER become mentally scarred by hearing someone talk about it? Also, the game has a fucking teen rating anyway.
Its a USA thing. No way around it, but every conversation will devolve into that eventually. They just aren't as "okay" with it as the rest of the world is. Really dissapoiting, but until that chagnes, people will keep throwing around the SEX IS BAD WE NEED TO KEEP IT FROM KIDS argument.
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I disagree with everything OP said except for the repetitiveness.
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On June 12 2011 23:13 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 22:23 vyyye wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ, another random internet hero giving "constructive criticism" with a sad attempt at sounding like he knows fuck all.
Yeah, agree OP. For the growth of e-sports let's remove everything that makes it worth anything. Tasteless? Pah, why would we want to have a commentator who has been loved for years? He's not professional enough?
I swear, if e-sports ever becomes what this stupidly vocal minority wants it to be I'll start muting streams, watching with music on and sure as fuck won't be giving any money to it. If you want your grand parents to cast games just ask them, I sure as hell don't want them. I know you've posted 5 times as much as I have while being here for only about a month longer but might I ask one simple question even if it assaults your superior post count? Who are you?The last 10ish posts you've made insult whatever topic you're posting in. The majority opinion in this thread is that Tasteless should not change but at least the majority didn't make a personal attack on the OP.
First off, yes I spent ages having fun posting in LR threads, not sure what that has to do with anything. May I ask when I ever brought up my post count? Because I honestly can't remember mentioning it in any post on TL.
To answer your question, I'm a poster on TL voicing his opinion. If I've crossed the line where I am doing nothing but insulting other posters I'm sure I'll be notified by a PM and a ban soon enough.
I could've put it in a more politically correct manner but what the fuck, I find the whole notion of "X has to do Y to grow e-sports" absolutely ridiculous. Especially when X just happens to be one of the main forces behind SC2.
There's a bloody reason people almost unanimously agree that Tastosis are two of the best SC2 casters in the world. It's not because they're perfect, it's not because they can't improve nor because they never utter a PC word. It's because they are fantastic casters and you can tell they love what they do and they love the game they're casting.
I rest my bloody case, by all means add your input on what Tasteless should do to better grow SC2. I just can't see how making every community figure in SC2 more boring than my high school maths teacher will help the case.
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tasteless got me into watching starcraft (back in the days with SDM) so I will always be a fan. Besides that: him and artosis are the perfect caster-couple. tasteless gives me smiles and Artosis will make me say "aha?" and "well, yeah, thats true"
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Tasteless is the best commentator in my opinion. I feel like the majority of people who disagree are people who say that GOMtv should "Get Husky to cast these games" (I think we can all agree that we do not want that at all). Tasteless knows the game very well and frankly, while he may not be the most professional caster, he's enjoyable to listen to.
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