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MK4512
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada938 Posts
June 12 2011 15:23 GMT
#301
Honestly, I watch GSL to relax and have a laugh. If tastosis becomes like hockey/football/soccer commentators, then they lose personality and just turn into analyzing/casting machines, and alot of the reason I will watch GSL and Esports in general is because of the casters. No one remembers 'great' soccer commentators, and the only commentator outside of esports that is really famous (relative to the size of their industry) is Don Cherry and thats mostly because he HAS personality. I think for Esports to grow, you need to have a casting style that makes the viewer come back again and again, and I think that tastosis does that.
Chill: "Please let us know when you will be streaming yourself eating a hat so I can put it on the calendar. Thanks."
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
June 12 2011 15:29 GMT
#302
Most professional sports commentators are horrible. I don't see why Tasteless should become more "professional" just for the sake of it.
Kollapse
Profile Joined April 2010
United States125 Posts
June 12 2011 15:37 GMT
#303
On June 13 2011 00:17 Avean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 00:13 Kollapse wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:03 kidleader wrote:
It's obvious to anyone with a critical mind that Tasteless doesn't play SC2 that much/as much because compared to his BW heyday, his game/build knowledge is lacking (this leaks into his commentary, hence the repetition, the 'he was so goooood'-style analysis). When he talks about BW during his GSL casts, we see the Tasteless of old, who was the complete package.

I love his unprofessional-ism and his jokes and with Artosis he is one half of the defining voice of Starcraft 2. That's why people care so much. Honestly, I don't think it's his fault. It's SC2.

Sadly, there's a distinct lack of critical minds in this thread!


Quoting for truth, as they say. Tasteless has very little actual SC2 knowledge, and it shows. In fact, if it wasn't Tasteless, it would piss me off. I would be surprised if it didn't bother Artosis a bit also.

Is Tasteless still an awesome person and a fairly entertaining caster? Yes.


Very little knowledge ? What the hell ? Tasteless is a former pro gamer, brother of day9.
Without guys like that a Starcraft 2 community which we have today would simply NOT exist.


He has vast Brood War knowledge and I love both him and Day9. No question he's done great things for the community.

But can you deny he has very little SC2 knowledge? He says "good decision," "bad decision," as well as various repeats of things Artosis had just said or has said in the past.
Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see.
flankstaek
Profile Joined January 2011
United States120 Posts
June 12 2011 15:37 GMT
#304
It's a hard line to gauge, if they become more professional they will seem more detached with the fans but if they remain as relaxed as they are it might be harder for them to reach a larger audience with their casting.

Personally I think they could cut back on a few dirty jokes and things like that, but they should keep the playful relaxed tone and the friendliness.
we are electric
pc_room_freak
Profile Joined June 2011
United States26 Posts
June 12 2011 15:37 GMT
#305
On June 12 2011 22:39 Aberu wrote:

You cast about 5 hours of content a week and sound fresh and different all the time. kthx.



That's the point of a good castor-_-. It's frustrating because veryfew understand the bw castors, but they've been casting for a good 10 years and even they don't sound repetitive. If you can't do that, you're just not good enough with language. Note that i've never complained about artosis, cuz he is NOT repetitive as a broken record.

In fact, repetitive is good in instances, like "SO MANY BANELINGS", cuz that's kinda artosis' trademark thing, and everyone (including me) love it.

But overusing the same diction over and over is like a bad essay that uses the same word a 100 times.
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 15:41:40
June 12 2011 15:37 GMT
#306
I think the major reason why Artosis and Tasteless are liked that much is because of the status they acquired with BW.

Sure they are not a bad team, but they are definitely not as good as some people pretend them to be.
Their jokes are getting so repetitive that it's frankly becoming embarassing... the tasteless secret highway, the casting archon, the "so many banelings" and so on...
Sure it's hard to comment every single day and have fresh jokes all the time, but no one is asking them to try to be funny all the time.
And I also do not like when they are trying to act cool by telling what they like to eat, like in a Tarantino's movie ...

Although contrary to the OP, I don't believe that the show should aim at more mature people... I've no statistics but to me t's crystal clear that 95% of those interested in SC2 professional play are 14-26 years old, so you have to attract that audience rather than trying to increase the other 5%...
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
June 12 2011 15:41 GMT
#307
On June 13 2011 00:37 TeWy wrote:
I think the major reason why Artosis and Tasteless are liked that much is because of the status they acquired with BW.


Doesn't make much sense as the scene grew tenfold from broodwar, meaning most of the viewers didn't watch them in a previous game. I think the reason they're so popular is because they got a laid back and funny yet analytical approach to the game, something very few manage to combine well.
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
June 12 2011 15:42 GMT
#308
On June 13 2011 00:37 pc_room_freak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 22:39 Aberu wrote:

You cast about 5 hours of content a week and sound fresh and different all the time. kthx.



That's the point of a good castor-_-. It's frustrating because veryfew understand the bw castors, but they've been casting for a good 10 years and even they don't sound repetitive. If you can't do that, you're just not good enough with language. Note that i've never complained about artosis, cuz he is NOT repetitive as a broken record.

In fact, repetitive is good in instances, like "SO MANY BANELINGS", cuz that's kinda artosis' trademark thing, and everyone (including me) love it.

But overusing the same diction over and over is like a bad essay that uses the same word a 100 times.


Every caster has some measure of repetitiveness, I agree, I've noticed it with Tasteless as of late but that's because he casts so fucking much.

As for everything else including the sex thing, it's been touched on already, this isn't Spongebob Squarepants, mentions of "sex" and other suggestive content are perfectly acceptable and age appropriation for the content of the foreign cast.
pc_room_freak
Profile Joined June 2011
United States26 Posts
June 12 2011 15:42 GMT
#309
On June 13 2011 00:37 TeWy wrote:
I think the major reason why Artosis and Tasteless are liked that much is because of the status they acquired with BW.

Sure they are not a bad team, but they are definitely not as good as some people pretend them to be.
Their jokes are getting so repetitive that it's frankly becoming embarassing... the tasteless secret highway, the casting archon, the "so many banelings" and so on...
And I also do not like when they are trying to act cool by telling what they like to eat, like in a Tarantino's movie ...

Although contrary to the OP, I don't believe that the show should aim at more mature people... I've no statistics but to me t's crystal clear that 95% of those interested in SC2 professional play are 14-26 years old, so you have to attract that audience rather than trying to increase the other 5%...



Thanks, i appreciate it.

But i do like tastosis' jokes. Im one of the few who only tuned into the super tournament when tastosis was there...

Except wolf is pretty good too. I just can't stand moletrap, to the point where i'm not watching the nestea vs bomber match, just cuz i can't listen to him.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 12 2011 15:50 GMT
#310
inexperienced? as a caster?!?!?!?! gtfo.
my only advice for tasteless is keep being the biggest super nerd baler out there.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
June 12 2011 16:02 GMT
#311
On June 13 2011 00:50 ComaDose wrote:
inexperienced? as a caster?!?!?!?! gtfo.
my only advice for tasteless is keep being the biggest super nerd baler out there.


Thank you for focusing on a sentence of the op instead of commenting on the whole message it was conveying. The thought put into some posts never cease to amaze...

Overall however I just think the only thing holding Tastosis back is Tasteless' game knowledge. It's clear he doesn't play much, but then again, without Tasteless what is Tastosis? Artosis, that's what it is... (thought I had something going there but )
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
MandoRelease
Profile Joined October 2010
France374 Posts
June 12 2011 16:05 GMT
#312
Why create this kind of topic for tasteless and not for artosis ? I mean Artosis is the one who annoys me
When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground. Huge IMLosirA fan.
Regretful
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden91 Posts
June 12 2011 16:07 GMT
#313
Oh you americans and your censoring

"Sex" is not a bad word and should not be frowned upon. Its not like he repeatedly sits there and pulls dirty jokes.

Keep Tasteless tasteless!
I already tried that. "When you got blueflame helions in your mineral line you better drink your own piss because you're in trouble" - Moletrap "What the fu-fenixes!" - Day[9]
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 12 2011 16:08 GMT
#314
The thought i put into my post is years and years of watching tasteless being awesome. Im a huge fan boy and want to show my support.
I know I couldn't do better as a caster.
Also yeah i picked on the word inexperienced cause it makes no sense...
the most experienced English caster?
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Haighstrom
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom199 Posts
June 12 2011 16:10 GMT
#315
I love tasteless (and tastosis) and disagree with the OP. The only thing that bugs me is making endless puns on players' names.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12387 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 16:12:01
June 12 2011 16:11 GMT
#316
I won't mind that at all. him and artosis are fun to watch
especially when they are together
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
pc_room_freak
Profile Joined June 2011
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 16:15:15
June 12 2011 16:12 GMT
#317
On June 13 2011 01:02 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 00:50 ComaDose wrote:
inexperienced? as a caster?!?!?!?! gtfo.
my only advice for tasteless is keep being the biggest super nerd baler out there.


Thank you for focusing on a sentence of the op instead of commenting on the whole message it was conveying. The thought put into some posts never cease to amaze...

Overall however I just think the only thing holding Tastosis back is Tasteless' game knowledge. It's clear he doesn't play much, but then again, without Tasteless what is Tastosis? Artosis, that's what it is... (thought I had something going there but )



As a critic of tastless, i think that's ok. I actually think he needs to embrace his role more, which is being the caster. Artosis is the encyclopedia, he should be fine by himself.

I dunno about you guys, but lately tasteless has been TRYING to sound more knowledgable, and trying to talk about more of the advanced stuff. I dunno why he would feel in such a way, cuz i think it's better for him to embrace the role of being the color commentator.

On June 13 2011 01:05 MandoRelease wrote:
Why create this kind of topic for tasteless and not for artosis ? I mean Artosis is the one who annoys me


Cuz artosis is awesome. Period.

He's got his flaws of course, but if i complain about them i would feel like im nitpicking. He has no real flaws that bugs me, and that's the point of this thread. If not broken, it doesn't need fixing. But some of the stuff tasteless does is a bit noticable.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
June 12 2011 16:15 GMT
#318
Why can`t I have everything!!!

Really though I am sick of people mentioning the whole "for ESPORTS!" thing. Now that is played out too much and sounds like a broken record. A big reason why I watch is because of how he and Artosis casts right now. Ever thought it might hurt "esports" if they were boring ass casters?
EnOmy
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia183 Posts
June 12 2011 16:21 GMT
#319
I respectfully disagree. Tasteless is practically my favourite half of the Tastosis Archon. (But which do you love more - Incredibly Awesome or Awesomely Incredible.) I really appreciate the down-to-earth aspect of his cast and find him a tonne more relate-able then some other casters. I appreciate your opinion but it is not mine.
GG WP //// 24yo.M
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 16:31:34
June 12 2011 16:30 GMT
#320
On June 13 2011 01:12 pc_room_freak wrote:

Cuz artosis is awesome. Period.

He's got his flaws of course, but if i complain about them i would feel like im nitpicking. He has no real flaws that bugs me, and that's the point of this thread. If not broken, it doesn't need fixing. But some of the stuff tasteless does is a bit noticable.


If you only have artosis, you'll have 1 boring show. You cannot have 2 people spewing knowledge at you. The reason tastosis works so well is because they have chemistry. One spews knowledge while the other makes it enjoyable. I'd fall asleep if I was listening to 2 people analyzing the game. Pro sc2 is entertainment, not a college lecture. They both have flaws when they're solo. When they're together they're great.

Fwiw, Tasteless is actually the better half of the archon for me. Artosis gives me knowledge, tasteless gives me a good time (no homo). I'm watching sc2 to have a good time and to learn.
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