EPT<3 tasteless talking about lurker in bw
Some constructive criticism for tasteless? - Page 11
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
<3 tasteless talking about lurker in bw | ||
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Skydancer
Italy249 Posts
Only casting but use the korean view of the battle! Korean are so much better they don't miss any important thing. | ||
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phisku
Belgium864 Posts
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LOLingBuddha
Netherlands697 Posts
to each his own i guess. but if i were tasteless i wouldnt change a thing, keep doing what youre doing Nick!! | ||
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havox_
Germany442 Posts
On June 12 2011 20:17 FeyFey wrote: tasteless is such a good commentator because of the points you don't like about him. Because most people just like this. <3 tasteless talking about lurker in bw Really? You like that he repeats stuff, cuts artosis off and that his sc2 analysis is wrong pretty often? Did you even read the OP? Or did you just see that somebody critizised your bw casting hero? | ||
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Zhalad
Australia231 Posts
On June 12 2011 20:13 XenoX101 wrote: This is ridiculous, the posters in this thread I mean. OP has mentioned some entirely valid points in a completely friendly tone and how do people respond? By flaming him as a person and ignoring or completely disregarding his points, or making straw man arguments. Just for reference, here are some paraphrased stupid things people have said in this thread Irrelevant points: The OP does too, but this isn't what is being discussed Again, this isn't about whether people like his casting, the OP has explictily said he is a big fan of Tastosis. It is about whether these particular words and behaviours of tasteless could be improved upon and whether they are bad for esports, he can be liked as a caster while still having these faults and having them affect esports. Sigh.. Strawman arguments Nobody said anything about perfect, and I highly doubt it takes someone perfect to improve on the points made by the OP. No, if this were the case then he wouldn't be asking for other people's opinions, he is making suggestions not demands. But is it affecting esports? You haven't responded to the main contention of this thread. Please think a bit more before you post. And personally, I think this is a bit of a grey area in that Tasteless is promoting esports with his character but admittedly detracting a little with it as well in some of the things he says. I do think he should make an effort to improve as a caster, but I think all casters should keep trying to improve themselves. These are some good points that I feel would help Tasteless' casting career and esports as a whole, particularly his slightly lacking vocabulary when describing players and the sex remarks. Affecting e-Sports? Are you, the OP, and the people that actually in any way agree with what was said serious? What is affecting e-Sports, is definately not Tasteless. It's the "e" in e-Sports that is. It's the portion of the community who are socially inept, wouldn't know what a real girl is, but love the anonymity that the internet gives them to say whatever stupid thing comes to their mind with no social ramifications. TL;DR, Geeks crying on forums. Tasteless is far from your standard "nerd", his actually somebody who can relate to normal people (unlike a lot of you). If anything, he is doing more for e-Sports, than any of you forum warriors ever could. I think you should back off, enjoy what all these people bringing you your e-Sports have to offer, or download replays and watch and commentate them to yourself in your dark, lonely basements. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On June 12 2011 20:17 MaGariShun wrote: I hope he doesn't change one bit. The "unprofessionalism" is what makes him so good. Look at NASL: I personally dont like the casts at all, they're generic, boring and way to formal. Incontrol is such a genious entertainer, but he's held back by being "professional" (with some moments of glory in between). Tastosis actually say that a player is bad, that he will get stomped and that he will lose, if it looks bad (NASL casts are always like "he's such a great great player" regardless of who plays). The random banter when nothing happens is far better than some "minerals being mined" cast that just states the obvious over and over again. Them calling games over when they aren't just builds up excitement. I feel that all this "professionalism" is way over board. If SC2 is to be established as an ESPORT, it will be established in our current generation. My dad and his generation will never be interested in SC2, but that is not a bad thing. I just feel that changing the SC2 scene into something "adult" when the majority of the crowd is exactly not that is a bad thing (don't have the illusion the older crowd will be converted). I wouldn't watch a SC2 TV channel when all they do is bringing boring NASL like casts Not really. Calling the games before the 'gg' actually kills the excitement, but this only happens because they've played the game enough to know what an extremely hard-to-comeback-from position looks like and they do recognize when players actually have the potential/start to comeback. | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:22 hmunkey wrote: Disagree with everything completely except maybe the sex thing. I can see GSL as being a family show, so talking about sex and using vulgarities is probably not the best idea. Also, while a stronger diction couldn't hurt, I don't really mind Tasteless being Tasteless -- that's what makes their casting duo so good. am i honestly the only one who feels Starcraft is not a family game, or a game for kids in general? FFS people its all about violently exterminating eachother! this game shouldnt be played by people younger then 12 or maybe even oloder so I really dont see the problem with a sex joke. Apart from that, Tasteless is doing a good job. | ||
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Gnax
Sweden490 Posts
If some team leads with 8-0 in soccer when it's 10 minutes left, do you really want the casters to be excited and pretend like it isn't over? | ||
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Ejohrik
Sweden219 Posts
When I watch professional SC2, I want the commentators to explain the game and most of all, I want them to provide excitement for the game. I thought Tastosis were really funny when I started following GSL in season 2. 6-7 months later, I am so very tired of their never ending jokes. For me it often gets to a point where the quality of the cast suffers. Instead of being excited about the game and the current actions on the map, I am supposed to get excited about Tasteless' way of stealing ladder points. This is why I have lost much interest in the GSL lately. I tune in to watch top-tier SC2, just to hear another unrelated joke, or critisism of the players. I didn't realize how tired I was of Tastosis until I watched MLG and instantly chose to commit entirely to DayWheat because they had more passion. Summary: Tastosis are good casters but they need to cut down on the joking and focus more on the games, and bringing excitement to the viewers. More screaming please! :D | ||
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cablesc
United States1540 Posts
I'm not a prude or anything but the last thing I expected to hear on a starcraft broadcast was that. It was pretty weird and off-putting. | ||
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Kyles92
England183 Posts
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
2) Yeah, Tastless interrupts Artosis. Artosis interrupts Tasteless. Day9 and DjWheat interrupt each other. Chill and Day9 interrupt each other. Everyone interrupts each other. That's the hazard present in commentating a game that can change in a split second. You know that aspect of the game that excites us so much? Yeah, that's the very same aspect that makes it difficult for casting. Tasteless used to be FAR worse about this even a year ago. He's getting better though. Fair complain, I guess. Okay guys. This is getting annoying. Fucking ESPORTS? Are you serious? Tasteless is hampering ESPORTS because he made a sex joke on air?!?! No, seriously. Have you seen American TV in the past ten years? Sex scenes on prime time basic TV will show people bumping and grinding as long as they have the semblance of clothes on. Then, when you're crying about that, go on to basic cable. You have everything but nipple and penetration showing. Hell, some of the shows will give you nipple if you beg for it. Then you can go to Cinemax or HBO and get everything but the wang. With sex permeating everything in our society, are you really going to tell me an off-handed sex joke from Tasteless is harming the credibility of ESPORTS? I just have to wrap my head around it. Considering the main demographic of this game is teenage-adult males...and the most off-color jokes you get are sex jokes....what's the problem? If you're disappointed because someone made a "penetration" joke on SOTG, ITG, GSL, or TSL then I'm sorry man. I doubt ESPORTS will ever get mainstream if those are the requirements. No jokes? Really? On a side note, what jokes would be okay to say? I guarantee you that the 11 pages of this thread that are full of rampant (and honestly, a bit overboard) defense of Tastosis is only a furtherance of my point. They're solidly cornered the demographic represented and aimed for. If these 11 pages love him for it, and you know even more who don't post/read the forums love them for it to, then what honestly is the problem? This is just more whining and putting unrealistic expectations on people in the guise of ESPORTS. I promise you guys, ESPORTS is not as demanding as you make it out to be. It's doing damn fine right now, and it'll be doing even better in the future. | ||
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
Artosis: "This doesn't look good ... " Tasteless: "This doesn't look good ... " Artosis: "Zerg's in trouble ... " Tasteless: "Zerg's in trouble! " | ||
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XenoX101
Australia729 Posts
On June 12 2011 20:23 Zhalad wrote: TL;DR, Geeks crying on forums. Heh, this is all you needed to say because nothing else you write is worth reading after seeing this remark. | ||
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:10 Mordiford wrote: I disagree with all of the above. I wouldn't recommend changing any of the thing mentioned above, he's doing a great job and I've never noticed him cut off Artosis in any manner that's noticeable and detracts from the cast. Great job Tasteless, keep up the good work. Don't change a thing. I don't understand how this thread managed to get further than this post. Tasteless, if you're ever looking to change something about the way you cast, it should be CASTING MORE GAMES. | ||
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Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
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Minaegi
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kidleader
Korea (South)233 Posts
I love his unprofessional-ism and his jokes and with Artosis he is one half of the defining voice of Starcraft 2. That's why people care so much. Honestly, I don't think it's his fault. It's SC2. Sadly, there's a distinct lack of critical minds in this thread! | ||
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