EPTPersonally I don't see a need to post in a LR thread during the rerun, as it's already been and gone. I don't know how this sort of thing would extrapolate to your figures in general but maybe it's something to consider.
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maJes
United Kingdom186 Posts
Personally I don't see a need to post in a LR thread during the rerun, as it's already been and gone. I don't know how this sort of thing would extrapolate to your figures in general but maybe it's something to consider. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
I disagree with the conclusions some have reached. If you discount Week 1, only Division 1 shows any steady decline in interest, even then there's a rise again in Week 8. The graphs in the spoiler shows that rather than the narrative that "people are slowly losing interest in NASL", activity in the LiveReport threads fluctuate on the merit of the games. This still presents an issue, obviously the number of what the viewers consider "quality games" is fluctuating a lot day to day. I think this is probably a result of having too many players in the league which may lead to more games but not necessarily more interesting ones. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On June 07 2011 10:39 Lysenko wrote: Since HQ subscribers have access to NASL VODs, you'd really have to have those viewer numbers to know whether people have stopped watching or just shifted their attention to the VODs. The average NASL premium vod has around 600 views. Matches with 2 big names go up to 1.200ish, crazy hype matches up to 1.500ish. 2 absolute nobodies playing eachother draws in around 200-300 views. Over the last few weeks I'm under the impression VOD views have been going down, rather then up, but I could be wrong there. According to the JTV no. of views at least. I have often wondered myself how many premium subscribers the NASL has, personally I'd be surprised if it was over 5k total. (Also, they initially upload the full 3-4 hour vod in multiple parts before splitting them, which means that views on the full vod aren't counted. I'd imagine that number to be very low in the first place tho, due to the difficulty of use of those vod's in the first place.) | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
But I still keep myself updated on the results of the Paris Tennis, the NHL playoffs and the major European football leagues. Just as I usually check NASL results and check group standings from time to time to keep myself updated. And I'll watch the European re-broadcast if some games seems to be recommended, im bored, or sometimes just have the audio on in the background while doing other stuff, tabbing into the games when things heat up. And as long as NASL can keep people interested enough to casually watch the broadcasts now and then and keep the interest in what the results are, they should really be happy. No one should really have expected anyone to be so hardcore they watch every single game. I doubt NASL did that either (and if they did they'd be pretty stupid). | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
I also feel like the players don't really give it their all in these games either, I guess many don't want to reveal their best strategies in such meaningless matches. I have premium and I'll watch the July/MC vods if I didn't catch the restream (or stream if i'm working nights) but I don't bother for most of the rest. I'm sure the LAN will be great though. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
- TL coverage is bad. I don't go to NASL website, and I don't frequent WellPlayed.org. TL is the center of my Starcraft universe and ideally I don't want to have to go ANYWHERE else (I'm even very annoyed by the teamliquidpro.net as an actual fan of the team). Yet all we get here is a live report thread, it's even hard to find the updated group rankings, and there are no write-ups, interviews, anything. I don't think it was the smartest idea for NASL to have wellplayed.org as their "official" community. Just by looking at the "hot topics" of wellplayed.org as of right now the top thread has 10 replies. If NASL had instead made TL their official partner or even just post their own articles on this website their might be more lasting interest in the league. It certainly doesn't help NASL that over the last couple of weeks there has been a sharp increase in walkovers. Most days now are even averaging two walkovers and it usually occurs between big names like white-ra and boxer and select. If the players don't care for the league why should the fans? Hopefully NASL takes these issues and rectifies this situation for next season as I can't see it simply changing on its own with the current format. It must be said though that NASL has averaged about 12K-14K viewers each which is impressive given all the problems the league has faced. I certainly don't think these statistics reflect the overall popularity of the league. NASL has done well but overall if their planning was better some of these problems would never have happened in the first place. | ||
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MagickMan
Australia498 Posts
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Brad
2754 Posts
I understand that it's 2011, and online play is the future of gaming, but it's just not the same in my opinion. It doesn't help that Battle.net isn't as good as it should be, but that's a whole nother argument altogether. | ||
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CursedFeanor
Canada539 Posts
One thing is sure though... the finals HAVE to be excellent if NASL wants to do even remotely well in season 2. Personally, there's no way I'm buying a pass again if we don't get to see a real tournament ending. | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
I cannot seem to find the NASL feedback thread in the general forum with the search function (neither NASL nor feedback yield the desired result). Has it been deleted for some reason? | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
But seriously, it is interesting to see. I mean if there is a strong correlation between the LR threads and viewers/activity then MLG must have had a great weekend. I don't think it is a perfect measure by any means, but I'd think it is safe to assume that you can at least gather a trend from it. I don't think it has anything to do with the "issues" NASL has had, I just think it is a long season and people got a bit burned out on it. I'm expecting to see really strong numbers when they get into the final tournament portion. That should be very entertaining and I think reinvigorate people. Next week should be a good week too especially if they do a good job of making all the "playoff" scenarios very clear so that we know who really needs a win, and who needs a win and another player to lose etc. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
On June 07 2011 23:17 mordek wrote: I'm with Kennigit, the LR for the first week was just full of complaints. People post more when they're unhappy. People post more when they are happy as well. It could be that when people are indifferent or apathetic that they don't bother. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 07 2011 10:30 Kennigit wrote: Wow, pretty powerful. Thats a very low attach rate and i'd have to imagine its due to the problems they suffered from in week 1. It would be interesting to see how other leagues like IPL or CSN events size up. Also the graphs may be a bit misleadings because people tend to post more when there are problems and dont say much if things are going ok. Day 1/2 was a constant stream of complains which probably affects those 2 peaks. I think there are other detrimental factors in play as well, but this isn't based on the LR threads activity alone. I rather look at the full picture. Here are some off the top of my head: - The length of the league is fairly long and some of the players aren't really a big draw. - Overlap between MLG/TSL/CSN - Lots of walkovers. A lot of them are matches the spectators really wanted to see. Not much they can do about it when players have flights and shit, but these are the players they really wanted to see that night. - The casts are excoriating long. I remember tuning in the first day and they had a 30 minute preview alone. It's a full night of Starcraft. It's important to get right to the fucking point or else you are going to lose your viewership unless it's live and on location. | ||
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
On June 07 2011 10:30 Kennigit wrote: Wow, pretty powerful. Thats a very low attach rate and i'd have to imagine its due to the problems they suffered from in week 1. It would be interesting to see how other leagues like IPL or CSN events size up. Also the graphs may be a bit misleadings because people tend to post more when there are problems and dont say much if things are going ok. Day 1/2 was a constant stream of complains which probably affects those 2 peaks. This cannot be overstated. I've actually spent more time in the LR threads the times when there's been problems than when everything has been running smoothly. In those cases, I've pretty much just, you know, watched the games. I think a much more useful statistic would be NASL's own viewer figures. | ||
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VillageBC
322 Posts
I love the season format of NASL, but I wish it was even longer... Yes longer, because I want to see Idra vs Zenio more then once to build that proper tension within the division. And i would like there to be cross divisional play. But they would need to have more then 1 game a week for that and that just isn't going to happen. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9420 Posts
On June 07 2011 22:58 Blasphemi wrote: The biggest problem is that most of the games just don't matter. So I'll only ever watch my favourite players, with a lot more on the line I'd be more inclined to watch say a Drewbie vs Socke game but right now it just isn't interesting enough. I also feel like the players don't really give it their all in these games either, I guess many don't want to reveal their best strategies in such meaningless matches. I have premium and I'll watch the July/MC vods if I didn't catch the restream (or stream if i'm working nights) but I don't bother for most of the rest. I'm sure the LAN will be great though. I kind of feel the same. When I watch the league, I have no idea what they are playing for. Are these 2 guys playing for 1st place (are they first and second in their group). But yeh IMO, the league is way too long, and it feels like they are just playing some random games. At MLG you felt like every game was really important, and it was very exciting. Nasl is the exact opposite. I think that NASL has been inspired by sports leagues (like NFL), and hence decided that a league would have a lot of interest. But IMO they have kind of missed the context here (as sc2 is in a compltely different situation than american football), and they have not analyzed their product (which is NASL) from the consumer point of view (why should I watch games that dont really matter?). | ||
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
That said, I think it's clear that NASL hasn't succeeded as much as they hoped. They depend a lot on prestige, and that prestige depends on how players treat them. At the begining, with a huge prize pool and a studio, full-time staff, etc., it looked like NASL might be able to establish itself as the biggest thing in western starcraft. It wouldn't be GSL, but winning it would be the biggest thing outside of that that you could put on your resume. It could have surpassed MLG, Dreamhack, TSL, etc. Instead, it has become just one of the many tournaments out there. I think that's bad for starcraft, because I think the western scene really does need a premier tournament, preferably one that is drawn out over weeks, not just one weekend. But they didn't act very professional at first (and still have failings), and players and viewers didn't see it as having that kind of prestige. That means players are in it for the money, not making potential fans. It means they don't schedule their flights around NASL matches and so forth. And then people see it not being the top priority for its players and that reduces the prestige further, etc. If the finals are great and the open tournament/qualifier has tons of top players in them, they could easily use it to establish more prestige going into the next season. But as it is they're definitely in trouble. | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
From what I've seen: - NASL week 1 was probably about 15-20k - Weeks 2-3 fell hard to about 6-9k depending on IPL - From roughly 4 onward the viewers have consistently stabalized at 11-15k, with Sunday being the night it grabs usually 15-18k depending on when Idra/Boxer are playing. - MLG screwed week 8 numbers | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
But I like the NASL, I like the games and I like the format. But there are simply too many games to watch. I have spent roughly 140$ on subscriptions/donations related to SCII already in the past 5 months, another 25$ for the next season of the NASL wouldn't hurt me but I don't think I will buy it. I do not believe that the -life report threads- or as some admins state the -life viewers- are important in the success of the NASL. I don't know anything, but it seems that after the first hype of the NASL activity dropped. The games are great, but the need to work on suspense if they want to keep the audience motivated. That is how I feel. | ||
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